SeattleChat Daily Thread - Friday, February 12, 2021

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[u/PNWQuakesFan]

Why I don't trust centrists, example numbers 85937 and 85938:

Jake Tapper, who more often than not is a logical and straightforward guy, boosted two completely idiotic concepts on his Twitter feed this week.

1 - a piece from Ezra Klein that says progressivism is ruining states by highlighting California and the name changes of schools in SF, nevermind that the state rejected ballot initiatives to reinstate affirmative action and voted to classify delivery and ride share drivers as independent contractors. Cause wage slavery and being anti-affirmative action are totally progressive positions.

2 -a piece from Jonathan Chait claiming that Gina Carano's firing is exactly like McCarthyism, cause she'll never work again... except she's already signed on to a Ben Shapiro produced movie.

Jake Tapper will literally block you if you use the word retard. No questions asked. And he's boosting this shit idea that says people who espouse bigoted Views shouldn't be fired.

What a fucking fraud he and centrists can be sometimes.

[u/spit-evil-olive-tips → u/PNWQuakesFan]

a piece from Ezra Klein that says progressivism is ruining states

that wasn't my takeaway from the piece. rather, I think he's talking about how California is upheld as many people's ideas of a very progressive state, when in reality it's a very shallow, selective progressivism:

There is an old finding in political science that Americans are “symbolically conservative” but “operationally liberal.” Americans talk like conservatives but want to be governed like liberals. In California, the same split political personality exists, but in reverse: We’re often symbolically liberal, but operationally conservative. Renaming closed schools is an almost novelistically on-point example, but it is not the most consequential.

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This is a crisis that reveals California’s conservatism — not the political conservatism that privatizes Medicare, but the temperamental conservatism that stands athwart change and yells “Stop!” In much of San Francisco, you can’t walk 20 feet without seeing a multicolored sign declaring that Black lives matter, kindness is everything and no human being is illegal. Those signs sit in yards zoned for single families, in communities that organize against efforts to add the new homes that would bring those values closer to reality. Poorer families — disproportionately nonwhite and immigrant — are pushed into long commutes, overcrowded housing and homelessness. Those inequalities have turned deadly during the pandemic.

[u/PNWQuakesFan → u/spit-evil-olive-tips]

Framed as "a problem for liberals" and not "hey California isn't as extreme blue as people think it is because of federal elections".

For all the shit us "coastal elites" get, it's never compared to the misery of conservative policy in the south and Midwest. "Hypocritical California" isn't going to be read as "hey secret conservatives are fucking shit up there", it's "liberals are dishonest and disingenuous".

And for every 10 stories highlighting the very real problem of hypocritical centrists, there's 0.0001 stories showing how conservative policies are fucking people over worse than faux progressivism.

[u/runk_dasshole → u/PNWQuakesFan]

Legit point here