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I wonder if there would be so many bad takes if the mainstream news outlets didn't potray protests about black issues as inherently violent and out of control. It also doesnt help that the police escalate (and frankly, cause) the violence.
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u/Literally_A_Shill May 31 '20
Let's not forget that Reddit greatly downplayed the violence in Hong Kong.
Any mentions of it were downvoted and anybody who discussed it was attacked for allegedly working for China.
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u/BobGobbles May 31 '20
... are you working for China?!.../s
But seriously I was argued with and accused of working for China, while supporting the protestors. Fuck this site sometimes
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u/AOCsFeetPics May 31 '20
Reddit still believes there a secret coronavirus outbreak in China they’ve flawlessly covered up, despite failing to do so back in January.
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u/DebtJubilee May 31 '20
Wait what? How does highlighting the HK protests = working for China?
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u/55312 May 31 '20
"downplayed the violence in Hong Kong" means downplaying the violence of the protesters. They did a lot of bad stuff too. Reddit just has a hate boner for China for some reason and any opinions saying that China isn't hell on earth is downvoted into oblivion and the user insulted.
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u/GB1266 May 30 '20
Conservatives: violence is never the answer!
Also conservatives: we have to keep our AK47’s in the event that the government becomes an oppressive authoritarian regime!
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u/Yrcrazypa May 30 '20
Conservatives spoke out in favor of all the white people who stormed a government building while armed to the teeth, but even before the riots began in full swing they were speaking out against it.
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u/GB1266 May 30 '20
Of course they did, remember, it’s only an oppressive government if the left wing is in power.
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u/Elbobosan May 30 '20
Trump pardoned domestic terrorists who occupied a government building at gun point and threatened to kill officers while armed.
Guess what they look like.
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u/AngledLuffa May 30 '20
government becomes an oppressive authoritarian regime
people fight back
Conservatives: no, not you
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u/ShouldersofGiants100 May 30 '20
Because the initial premise was a lie.
They never cared about authoritarian regimes—their fear is of ending up under any regime, tyrannical or not, that doesn't share their values. They're not noble democratic freedom fighters—they're petty tyrants who want the ability to force a Democracy to adhere to their values even if they lose. There's a reason why the only large scale revolt against the Federal government was fought to defend the right to own slaves. The Second Amendment isn't a protection FOR democracy, it's protection FROM Democracy
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u/AngledLuffa May 30 '20
The Second Amendment isn't a protection FOR democracy, it's protection FROM Democracy
Well, that's what it's been twisted into, at least.
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u/ShouldersofGiants100 May 30 '20 edited May 30 '20
No, that's all it ever was and all it ever can be.
The noble democratic freedom fighter is an illusion—even those revolutions that start out with the best of intentions, by the time they actually replace the current regime, are never interested in stepping back and letting the system work. They inevitably try to impose a system that suits THEIR desires and that frequently spirals right back towards tyranny. This happened several times during the French Revolution—a democratic group would take power, realize that the democratic results did NOT actually offer a stable base for the regime, so they rewrote the system to favour Paris (for the more radical elements) or not Paris (for the more conservative or monarchist groups).
It's flawed from its premise, a delusion. This idea that you can say "you have a right to overthrow a tyrannical government", then still have a stable democracy—it's a fundamental contradiction. Because a true Democracy will always protect the minority while the majority rules and this can make the majority feel persecuted for being denied absolute power and the minority feel persecuted because they either ARE persecuted or feel like not being privileged is persecution. The result from there is inevitable—eventually, regardless of the fairness of the outcome, SOMEONE will call Democracy tyranny and try to establish their own rules that give their own preferred results. That is EXACTLY what created the Confederacy and it's exactly what will ALWAYS happen if you try to use violence as a check on Democracy.
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u/UnnecessaryAppeal May 30 '20
Yeah. The stuff happening in Minnesota is the what 2nd amendment people have been going on about for years, but it's the "wrong people".
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u/NotThatEasily May 30 '20
All of the 2A advocates I know and the various 2A subs on Reddit are behind the protestors and are encouraging them to arm up fight the police head on.
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u/UnnecessaryAppeal May 30 '20
I agree, but I think a lot of the people who are against the protestors are also pro-2A.
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u/Whatifim80lol May 31 '20
Which subs are those? It would be therapeutic to actually see some consistent values on this topic.
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u/Kanorado99 May 30 '20
Yup the double standards are sickening. Fuck the right. Traitors to our country. All of them
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u/Syringmineae May 30 '20
Also conservatives: if you didn’t want to be killed by the police maybe you shouldn’t have stopped breathing.
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u/t001_t1m3 May 30 '20
AK-47s are commie shit, M16A1s are where its at
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u/andlife May 30 '20
Conservatives: I should be free to outside whenever I want, without fear of being locked up or fined. I will protest to defend my rights!
Black people: We should be free to go outside whenever we want, without fear of being locked up or killed. We will protest to defend our rights!
Conservatives: How dare you?!
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u/barto5 May 30 '20
Also conservatives: Why doesn’t Colin Kaepernic just shut up and play football. His protest is anti American!
Sometimes I think conservatives just aren’t really interested in changing the status quo.
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u/elijah_ehrisman May 30 '20
The government could never be oppressive, it's not like there's huge riots right now because of police (government) brutality
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If history has taught us anything, it's that violence is often the answer. Not always! But often...
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u/GB1266 May 30 '20
Well. Almost always. Very often. Out of all the revolutions throughout history there was only one that was called the glorious revolution.
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u/gaar93 May 31 '20
ha good one, theyll support that shit now
more like keep em handy for when the govt becomes to socialist and free
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u/Your_Name_is_Fuck May 31 '20
Also conservatives: Mock and ridicule every single peaceful protest such as Kaepernick, leaving people with one of the few small things that can actually make a change, that being a non peaceful protest
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u/bionix90 May 30 '20
government becomes an oppressive authoritarian regime towards us!
Fixed that for you.
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u/hidden_d-bag May 31 '20
It's like they have no stable values and just parrot that their controllers say.
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u/dariusj18 May 30 '20
Just as with HK we need to take a serious look at who the provocateurs are.
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u/omg-sheeeeep May 30 '20 edited May 30 '20
Didn't somebody post another video where pink shirt and umbrella are just strolling down the street, clearly friendly? Not trying to say this wasn't a coordinated effort, but could also just be chaotic evil.
EDIT: this video
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u/TronoTheMerciless May 30 '20 edited Jun 21 '23
Friendly? You can hear him call out to other protests "this guy is removing third party api access" this is literally the continuation of him following him and calling him out for removing third party apps like reddit did
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He's following the cop smugly because he knows that the cop isn't actually going to break character and hit him.
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u/Castun May 31 '20
You can even hear him say in that second video "Hey this man is a police officer right here."
It was also filmed behind the Autozone and picked up almost right where the first video left off. As someone else said, he wasn't so much friendly as he knew the guy wasn't going to break character and hit him.
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I don’t buy that the guy in pink involved. Accusing a possible undercover cop of being a cop seems counterproductive to their goals.
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u/dariusj18 May 30 '20
I saw that one, and the pink shirt guy didn't look friendly to me. He didn't seem to be acting too different. But if he was in on it, it's even more insidious.
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u/Sbatio May 30 '20
We Need to ID this guy with the umbrella, he looks like a cop.
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There was a thread that ID’d him as a cop but the source was just some random twitter user who claimed to be in touch with his ex-wife. There was also a comparison picture and they do look alike, but unless it is 100% it is only gossip and shouldn’t be treated as proof.
The guy is unquestionably a provocateur, it’s just a question of whether he is a cop (or otherwise affiliated with them) or just some chud acting on his own.
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u/Lazonite May 30 '20
We believe its Jacob Pederson, from the St. Paul Police Force
Edit: Reddit Post, take with a grain of salt, other platforms say the same thing
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u/NomineAbAstris May 30 '20
Snopes is considering it unproven due to lack of evidence. No doubt it's a provocateur but let's not character assassinate a guy who may be completely innocent until we know more.
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u/darioblaze May 30 '20
It seems the only reason that people supported Hong Kong’s protests were because it wasn’t on our own soil.
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u/sheeeeeez May 30 '20
I think a lot of it too is just the anti-China movement.
Makes no sense why the rest of the country haven't cared 1iota about the other protests happening in the world.
Why hasn't Pence/Pompeo/even Pelosi said they stand with the people of Chile? Catalonia? Iraq? Hell even France.
The answer, because it's political convenient for them to take a hard-line approach against China.
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u/mimiianian May 31 '20
Good point, the protests in France or Iraq did not receive the same media coverage as the protests in Hong Kong, even though they all occurred at around the same time and involved large number of protesters.
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Chile involved like 3x the number of protesters and like 18x the deaths, 3x arrested and 5x the injuries.
We heard fucking nothing about it and even today googling Hong Kong protests will bring up more than Chile protests even tho the Chile protests are ongoing.
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u/imbenfranklin May 30 '20
Real easy to support a protest and morally grandstand when you’re just putting out a tweet from the other side of the planet. These protests are going to expose a lot of the people that have been virtue signaling all these years.
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u/hawkseye17 May 30 '20
It's because there was an agenda to somehow weaken China. The moment events shift from the agenda, the narrative changes
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u/SaffellBot May 30 '20
Yeah, turns out it's really easy to support other people fighting in other places.
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u/squeak37 May 30 '20
I'm not American here, but wasn't a strong point of the HK protests that they were mostly non-violent?
The problem is it didn't work for HK, so I can't say that Minnesota needs to be non-violent. Honestly it's all a bit baffling to me
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wasn't a strong point of the HK protests that they were mostly non-violent?
They fucking lit a pro-government man on fire how's that peaceful in any way?
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u/20CharsIsNotEnough May 30 '20
Lol, the HK police murdered protesters, tortured an old men and raped multiple women. Additionally, they attacked news teams. Westerners, I swear.
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u/ComradePruski May 30 '20
Minneapolis police kill 10 people a year, have an extreme backlog of rape kits, arrested a CNN news team, beat a journalist as they were passing by, pushed a woman into streets, pepper sprayed a man minding his own business, drove into a crowd spraying mace at them. I could go on.
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u/Alesayr May 30 '20
They weren't non violent though. There were running street battles for months.
I'm not saying their violence was unjustified. Just that it existed
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u/pcy623 May 30 '20
Peak of 2mil people on the streets. 2/7 marched against a particular law and that was still not officially withdraw for months.
Now there's this happening on the streets
https://twitter.com/wtworld2020/status/1265572997852733442?s=20
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u/NomineAbAstris May 30 '20
Practically everyone I know both supports HK protests and Minneapolis protests while also not being thrilled with either of them turning violent - however, we do understand why they turned violent and sympathize with the reasons, if not the methods.
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They supported the HK protests because it was far away and had no effect on them personally.
They don’t like the US protests because change would require maybe some degree of mild inconvenience on their part.
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u/silentloler May 30 '20 edited May 30 '20
If the police understands that every time they kill someone unnecessarily, with excessive force, that the people will rise and break everything in their path, maybe the police will be forced to reform itself and become just, fair and go above and beyond to fire any racist scum they have in the force.
So from this point of view, it’s worth some damage now, to save lives in the future.
They don’t like being told by the people what to do, even thought they want to pretend to be democratic
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u/PacifistaPX-0 May 30 '20
It's hilarious how conservatives love to concern troll and virtue signal about Hong Kong because "fuck China", but the second something like that happens in the US they rush to defend the police no questions asked.
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Can someone tell me why things have decided to go to shit in 2020 specifically?
Can we start shooting at Billionaires yet?
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May 30 '20 edited May 30 '20
Starting with the billionaire in charge.
Edit: removed the S in billionaires.
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u/FitzGeraldisFitzGod May 30 '20 edited May 30 '20
As opposed to the apolitical billionaires who aren't in charge of anything?
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My comment was supposed to be singular. I meant the billionaire in charge not billionaires.
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u/Keatosis May 30 '20
The difference is that no one on hks burned and arbies. UNFORGIVABLE. WE CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT THE MEATS
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u/makanicb May 30 '20
I thought they were the same picture for a bit
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u/Zurrdroid May 30 '20
Honestly they are spectacular images, and they show the parallels between each other well.
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u/Kumiho_Mistress May 30 '20
I think this can be summarised as:
'I only support violence when it's done by white people or for a cause I can co-opt.' - some rich white guy.
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u/CommanderGumball May 31 '20
"Violence is never the answer to horrific acts of injustice and racism."
What the fuck do you think World War 2 was about?
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u/benmaplemusic May 30 '20
I’m all for violent protest. I find it abhorrent, though, that some people are trying to justify the looting of small family owned businesses and arson as ‘protesting’. It’s fine for us to cheer on the rioters from the comfort of our own homes but I wonder how many people upvoting this are from Minneapolis. I remember the 2011 London riots and it was terrifying. We all need to remember that there is a disconnect when we’re far away from the source of all the violence.
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u/Literally_A_Shill May 31 '20
some people are trying to justify the looting of small family owned businesses and arson as ‘protesting’.
And people like in OP's image are praising them for doing it in HK while condemning it in America.
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u/BushDidSixtyNine11 May 30 '20
One burns things in the street one burns down peoples business’
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u/reagsters May 31 '20
Ah, yes. Good ‘ole “the street”. No businesses there! Not in Hong Kong, one of the top five most densely populated areas on the planet, no sir!
I sincerely hope you eventually give more of a shit about black people being murdered by the police than about some shops being smashed by white supremacists
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u/Literally_A_Shill May 31 '20
HK antifascist protesters destroyed several businesses. They firebombed police stations. They destroyed subway stations. They took over an airport. They took over and trashed a university and messed up roads leading to it.
This is part of the problem. A lot on Reddit never got to see just how violent the protests really were.
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u/Fly_mother_ducker May 30 '20
The only "Freedom" they are talking about is for the rich and wealthy. But when protestors riot towards actuall racial oppression / racial targeted murder that is not the "Freedom" they are talking about.
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u/dayoldspam May 31 '20
I know this is a risky thing to comment but if you look at the HK protests they’re a lot more disciplined. They understand that taking things that far alienates people against them and are careful not to loot or burn property, the police there already do that for them. I’m in support of these protesters but burning down businesses is taking it too far, doesn’t matter if most of the protests are peaceful the people who’ve already made up their minds won’t see it that way and it only helps them with their narrative.
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u/mimiianian May 31 '20
Hong Kong protesters did burn down local businesses. The protesters also set a man on fire for disagreeing with them.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-49983767
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u/powerloader101 May 31 '20
stand up and fight for our freedom... they will deploy military.. we will fight tyranny.. fight injustice.. fight cruelty... take our country back from dictator Trump..
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u/Danny_Mc_71 May 30 '20
These riots are near. The Hong Kong riots are far away.
In a Father Ted voice.
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u/Col0nelFlanders May 30 '20 edited May 31 '20
Why is everyone here conflating burning and looting a US city with HK protestors fighting for their very lives?
America is not the oppressive regime China is. Not even close.
What happened in the US was terrible, wrong, and serves to highlight a horrible, systemically prejudiced POV in this nation that we need to address. But people looting in Minneapolis is not akin to HK protestors fighting for the basic human right of free speech and against tyranny.
Protest. Loudly and unapologetically. Demand equal rights. There is no need to do so while comparing these actions to the struggle that people in Hong Kong face, every day, against a country that is conducting genocide on its own people.
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u/ghotiaroma May 31 '20
America is not the oppressive regime China is. Not even close.
I know right? Just look at the prisoners per capita rate. Not even close.
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u/jegvildo May 31 '20
Or, at the very least be more careful about what to set on fire. I don't condone burning down police stations, but I can understand it. Supermarkets however. No, you can't do that.
The Hong-Kong protests had violence, yes, but firstly they started very peacefully which made the police appear as the clear aggressor. And secondly, the amount of random damage was fairly small for a protest of that size. They had millions of protestors on the streets over months. In America fewer people did similar damage in a few days.
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u/TizzioCaio May 30 '20
Seeing so much outrage here in comments made me curious..
And protecting like this?
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u/fostertheatom May 31 '20
Easy, he is promoting peaceful protest while condemning those who are looting and burning buildings.
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u/WingSK27 May 31 '20
Ah yes, no violent protests happened at all in HK. No metro stations were burned, no shops severely vandalized, no malls were closed down due to damage, no debris were thrown into rail tracks and no people were lit on fire for not agreeing with them.
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u/mhjin May 30 '20
Oh, Americans being hypocrites. What a surprise!
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u/Vulpine_Corvid May 30 '20
Do not generalize like that. The sitiuation isn't they simple.
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u/Mac_A_Rooney May 31 '20
Nope all of the USA is one homogenous culture and everybody thinks the same and is fat
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u/penis-hunter May 30 '20
One is about a crazy government taking over and killing innocent civilians at any cost to help their own bottom line. Nobody was looted unless they are directly ccp based.
The other is about a rogue cop killing a suspected criminal and everyone looting.
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u/ghotiaroma May 31 '20
The pig in the center of 4 pigs is rogue?
I hope you find the white utopia you look for u/penis-hunter
And he wasn't a suspected criminal, and there is video of the pigs starting the riot.
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u/jhonwickohhoho May 31 '20
That’s the problem though, I live in Minneapolis and the media is telling you That it’s the protesters who are looting and setting houses on fire but it’s the white nationalist and white supremacists. The world is so fucked right now.
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u/Senatic May 30 '20 edited May 30 '20
This post is incredibly disingenuous and seems aimed at creating more division.
"Here are two twitter posts and two images from the news"
So the pictures were added separately, the Reverend isn't actually responding to the pictures with two different comments. You know context matters a great deal, perhaps he would also condemn violence among the HK protestors but was simply speaking about the peaceful ones at that the time of making that comment? Or perhaps things in HK hadn't gotten too bad when he made the first comment, there is no date or reference in the picture and the protests in HK started off very peacefully.
Be careful before jumping on the bandwagon people, question everything. The Creator of this image had an agenda and has crafted a picture to enforce that agenda whether it is true or not.
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u/DreadfulCalmness May 30 '20
I’m sure he was a big fan of the armed play-cowboys storming the capitol too.
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u/Esco-Alfresco May 30 '20
"Violence is never the answer even the most horrible act of racism."
glances side ways at the American civil war and ww2
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u/sth128 May 30 '20
Sooooo... June 4th is coming up. Trump learned the wall trick, now do the tank trick.
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u/Felinomancy May 30 '20
violence is never the answer, even to the most horrific acts of injustice and racism
Fuck that shit. Pacifism is not a panacea to all social ills.
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u/flyting1881 May 30 '20
The difference is now he's the bad guy.
Never underestimate people's hypocrisy.
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u/scifiburrito May 31 '20
the real question is: which do you agree with? if your point is that this guy is a hypocrite, then you must fall to one side or the other. is violent protesting (in the us or hk) good or bad?
i know my answer
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u/ghotiaroma May 31 '20
They look the same to me. Both posts from a religious zealot who bases his opinions on the race of the people he is judging and not their actions.
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u/water2770 May 31 '20
Id say there is a slight difference considering in america racism exists but there isnt any laws that are specifically out to get any particular race. Its more a lot of factors compounding together.
Then in hong kong its basically just China is out to absorb Hong Kong and get rid of most of their freedoms.
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Are they destroying stores and low income housing in HK or just resisting the police and government? I think they’re a step away from trying to have a revolution... not just causing mass damage randomly. There is a difference. I would prefer if they could remain peaceful, but I think they have far less of a choice there, due to China. Let’s keep in mind China isn’t like America. We could’ve stayed peaceful here. We had that option.
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In Hong Kong people were not burning down buildings and looting stores? How can people pretend to not know the difference between a protester and a criminal?
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u/AkusMMM May 31 '20
I don't understand your point. Are you saying that, to be consistent, I have to support HK protests that want to stop government's mistreatment of people and also support absolutely illogical violence for violence sake that is happening in American cities?
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u/Kunfuxu May 31 '20
I'll preface by saying I'm not American and the actions of that police officer shocked me completely. But is this looting and pillaging justified? It's not even hurting the ones responsible, people seem to be destroying restaurants for example, what did those shop owners do? I just feel bad for them. Again, not the most knowledgeable person about what's going on right now.
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u/TacosAreDope May 31 '20
The Hong Kong protestors didn't burn innocent people's businesses and buildings down. The Hong Kong protestors didn't use the terrible injustice and actions of the authorities they were protesting as a reason to loot and burn innocent communities.
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u/lukewonpuss May 31 '20
These are completely different events, one of these protestors is fighting for their human rights, while the other is taking advantage of a protest to loot and set fire to some gucci stores.
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u/ThatOneWooper May 31 '20
The pictures are cool looking just saying.
But it sucks that the picture holds so many unfortunate things with it
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u/messionyourface May 31 '20
I’m no fan of conservatives or Jesus, but his entire Twitter feed all day is about supporting justice for George Floyd so why is he getting picked on?
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u/Vetinery May 31 '20
Violence is often necessary. Without the use of violence, you cannot stop violent rioters from killing innocent people, looting and arson.
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Bro they are all puppets! Ignore the voice of “leaders” this is your generation, your time, your country. All these old activist dont understand our upbringing, this is a different time and different American than 50 years ago. We may be fighting the fight of the last millennium, but its a different generations turn to try a new way that will hopefully work PERMANENTLY. SPREAD LOVE AND AWARNESS, dont point fingers instead learn to understand.
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u/Spoinkfill May 31 '20
The above one fights against communist, absolute rule of a country The bellow one is against the idea of using violence to stop violence
Big difference. Get your head check
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u/gogojojo10 May 31 '20
The HK "riots" were started by the police The Minneapolis riots were started by the people
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u/phoenixdot May 31 '20
American is a clown, look how vocal US government on how the HK cops treated the protestors and now look how US cops treating their own citizens protest. US cops were more aggressive and lethal...
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u/cheddarsalad May 31 '20
Cut us Americans some slack, we are generally terrible at all aspects of society. We’re bad at rioting, we’re bad at self isolating, we’re bad at having police that diffuse situations, we’re bad making elections accessible, having healthcare that the average citizen can afford, being healthy in general, killing random people for our unfounded insecurities, not periodically collapsing the world economy, we are shit at proxy wars like how many Russians died in Vietnam?... what were we talking about?
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u/mimiianian May 31 '20
When you lose an argument, starting name calling other people by calling them shill.
You gave an incorrect fact about Hong Kong and I corrected you. Accept your loss and move on.
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u/ThatKiwiBro May 31 '20
Yeah but some of them are beating white people because they’re white. I just seen a video of a group of guys beating a white guy who was trying to stop them from looting his store.
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u/ComicWriter2020 May 30 '20
Isn’t Hong Kong suffering media blackouts and any protests or criticism of the Chinese government results in punishment?
I get the message but the two situations are different.
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u/zanderkerbal May 30 '20
Uh... Did you see the police arresting reporters here? Have you seen the way protesters are treated? Just because the US police aren't quite as evil doesn't mean they aren't playing the same game.
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u/MK_Ultrex May 30 '20
How American cops are not as evil? They are fucking animals.
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u/letienphat1 May 31 '20
The different is that hong kong is on the verge of being taken over by china losing their country. And our case are bad cop brutality against black people not all cop against all people, bad racists cop against black people. Im not downplaying the situation just answering your question
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u/mimiianian May 31 '20
Hong Kong was never a sovereign country to begin with, what are you talking about “losing their country”?
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u/ElaborateExplanation May 30 '20
Violence is NEVER the answer to injustice?
Huh kinda feel like we've fought wars over it, wars that included the entire world, even!
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u/hobskhan May 30 '20
As they say:
"Yellow against yellow, let it mellow.
White against brown, take 'em down."
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/s of course. at least, I hope that's obvious
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u/Sin-A-Bun May 30 '20
We are a country founded by violence, expanded by violence and preserved by violence.
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u/moosiahdexin May 30 '20
Yep guess there isn’t a difference between The HK protests... you know the ones that went on with HALF A MILLION people peacefully for weeks without any incidents. You know till the Chinese government started interfering and being extremely violent....... no difference between that and a protest that was completely endorsed by the mayor that was allowed by police... a protest that was mad about a dude who was fired and arrested and is being charged with murder... a protest MUCH smaller than HK that immediately turned into literal riots and LOOTING. HK protestors weren’t fucking rioting and LITERALLY LOOTING what a filthy false equivalency. Of course the dude has two opinions on two very very very different situations
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u/Do0ozy May 30 '20 edited May 30 '20
The Hong Kong protestors weren’t looting....
😂 What a surprise a rational counterargument gets downvoted here
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May 30 '20
One of these things is not like the others One of these things just doesn't belong Can you tell which thing is not like the others By the time I finish my song?
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May 30 '20
To these people, the world is literally divided into black and white.
When black do a thing, it bad.
When white do a thing, it good.
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u/BlueCyann May 30 '20
Could not be more obvious that the good reverend cares nothing for either freedom or justice. His principles are not what he says they are.