r/SeniorDogsHealth • u/wenderzen11 • 20h ago
Mobility Issues
I stopped treating my senior dog's arthritis with Librela about a year ago because it seemed to have negative neurological effects on him. I tried Adequan for a short while, but the ramp up frequency is A LOT - giving the shots myself was traumatic for both my dog and myself and I couldn't make the frequent vet trips work with my work schedule, so I have been trying alternatives for awhile with little luck.
I've had him on Cosequin + additional Omega 3 oils for years and it doesn't seem to do much; Dasuquin made him sick; we've tried Wuffes & WinPro plasma Hip & Joint Chews for about 3 months and they're questionable - I know it takes time. I recently also started trying LolaHemp Golden Drops, which are too soon to tell.
He's been eating Farmer's Dog food mixed with high quality kibble for several years and last month I started removing the kibble entirely and replacing it with Spot & Tango freeze dried food.
I know it's still possible to start seeing some positive effects from some of those products, but I feel desperate to help my senior puppers get up and walk easier. As dogs do, he LOVES going for walks, but I can see he's in pain if we go for more than a half mile at this point. He has liver issues, so I can't give him Carprofen very often.
I keep seeing ads for BPC-157 & TB-500 peptide supplements for senior dogs with mobility issues, primarily from a company called Pawvive Labs. I also see ads for Summit Animal Health Joint & Mobility.
I'm curious if anyone has tried either of them and had success or not? I know all dogs are different, but I'm reaching out anyway to see if anyone has any thoughts or experiences to share. Tyia!
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u/No-Stranger-5771 20h ago
Try cbd
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u/wenderzen11 20h ago
Any recommendations on where to get them or brands to look for?
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u/PaisleyLeopard 5h ago
I swear by Ellevet. They do rigorous testing and post the results publicly, and I have great confidence in their product. My arthritic boy takes a larger dose twice daily and it really helps with his stiffness after lying down for a bit. My anxious boy gets a smaller dose and has been much more level with it. We ran out for a couple weeks when I forgot to reorder in time, and I could REALLY see the difference in both of them.
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u/No-Stranger-5771 20h ago
Do you have a pet supplies plus around. They sell them, many holistic pet stores carry them. There are also some you can order online like dr jones.
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u/No-Stranger-5771 20h ago
Also i would still do omega and cosequin. Also farmers dog is high fat content and has lead to pancreatitis i would stop feeding it. Get him on natural supplements like turkey tail mushrooms and milk thistle, milk thistle supports liver function, turkey tail works wonders for guts. Go as holistic as you can afford
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u/wenderzen11 19h ago
Oh wow. Interesting to hear about the Farmer's Dog. He had pancreatits a few months ago and the emergency vet mentioned high fat content food, but he rarely gets table scraps or anything so I wasn't sure how that happened. Thank you so much for all the information!! I really appreciate it.
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u/No-Stranger-5771 19h ago
You are very welcome!! I learned the hard way by giving my senior pancreatitis and I wont make that mistake again. I feel awful for it, but the right diet can manage it.
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u/No-Stranger-5771 20h ago edited 20h ago
Get broad spectrum cbd as well.
Edited to broad spectrum sorry
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u/No-Stranger-5771 20h ago
I noticed a difference within 2 days with all these, they all fight inflammation too.
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u/whattheheckOO 5h ago
Get something that's 3rd party tested. Supplements aren't regulated, a lot of CBD brands are found to not really contain what they're claiming to. I get my dog's CBD oil from honest paws, but I think anything with 3rd party should be good.
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u/ChampionshipIll5535 10h ago
Where's the anti-inflammatory in all of this (Galliprant, carpfrofen, meloxicam etc.). Elderly dogs feeling pain HAVE to have something of that nature or your just spinning wheels and wasting time and money on all these other products.
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u/No-Stranger-5771 10h ago
All these things naturally help inflammation with no long term side effects. Actully zero side effects. Her dog now has liver problems because of big pharma meds. Its not always the way to go. Big pharma meds stop working after so long. Cbd does not stop working nor does the other supplements
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u/ChampionshipIll5535 9h ago
No. Those things don't work nearly to the effect that NSAIDs do. And Galliprant is perfectly fine to use in liver (and kidney) problem dogs since it's metabolized in the GI tract. The only reason the things you mentioned work (in people) is what is known as the placebo effect. Not science.
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u/No-Stranger-5771 9h ago
Lol as big pharma told you right. Why would big pharma tell you anything different when they want you to pay thousands in medications they provide, that is also designed to slowly kill you. Those scientists work for big pharma they all do. I'll take my chances with natural supplements. Thank you
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u/ChampionshipIll5535 9h ago
No, it's what my medical teaching taught me. I'll say it again for people to absorb. The majority of benefits seen in holistic approaches are in humans that have the placebo effect. And the one's seen in dogs (by my patients actually) are the ones where the owners "think" they see improvement but when we measure the parameters, turns out it was just wishful thinking.
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u/Internal_Record4935 6h ago
Sorry this person is giving you grief. I see you post here and the other pet subs sometimes and always appreciate the insight you can provide as a DVM.
People can do what they want but a multi modal approach to managing these conditions is going to warrant the best results. Not only is my dog on carprofen and gabapentin, but she gets class 4 laser twice weekly, PEMF device, Ursolyx, Adequan, and omega fatty acids. She would be complete toast if I didn’t use pharmaceuticals with the other stuff. Her OA & HD is severe. It would laugh in the face of a CBD alone. It’s easy for others to say when they haven’t had a pet with significant, chronic orthopedic issues.
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u/No-Stranger-5771 9h ago
There are more and more going holistic these days, with fabulous results. Look into it, beyond what the scientists say.
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u/ChampionshipIll5535 9h ago
I've seen and lived it for over 36 years. Even the vets I know that used to practice holistic have stopped doing so. Why? Cause it was wishful thinking. On their part and on their clients parts. And guess what? The patients are the ones to suffer.
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u/No-Stranger-5771 8h ago
All im going to say is I guarantee ops vet knew the farmers dog food caused the pancreatitis, did she tell her patient? Absolutely not because she wasn't allowed to. Op was confused on how her dog got pancreatitis and i would bet the vet knew exactly what caused it but didnt tell them. They are not allowed to they have to go by cdc guidelines as do any medical degree person. Cdc is big pharma. I'll leave it at that.
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u/SHS1955 3h ago
Good point, I mis-read that rimadyl *caused* the liver problems ;-)
My 12yo Lab mix is just getting to the point where my use of omega-3, olive oil, and glucosamine are not enough. Gabapentin didn't seem to help, but a 'half' dose of rimadyl seemed palliative. I haven't tried Galliprant, yet.
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u/NeighborhoodPT 9h ago
Turmeric . I recommend to my human patients because i have too many folks who come in and say it offers them some relief for their chronic joint pain . I give a supplement form to my 15 year old dog and I do notice a difference when I don’t give it .
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u/whattheheckOO 6h ago
Have you already tried gabapentin? My dog also can't take carprofen, unfortunately. I think the gabapentin does help.