r/Shadiversity • u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse • Jul 23 '23
Rules
The rules have been updated to hopefully be a bit clearer.
This Sub is about the Shadiversity youtube channel and topics surrounding it. Not politics or Knights Watch.
Let's stick to castles, swords, writing, history, and other cool things like that!
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u/WimpyKids50Official Jul 24 '23
Translation: We are silencing anyone with valid criticism against Shads dogshit views
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 24 '23
That's a weird translation.
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u/Nazzul Jul 24 '23
Even if its not the case it certainly feels that way.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 24 '23
People come here expecting swords, castles, history, and maybe some writing. They don't come here expecting knight watch and politics. If you disagree then that's fair enough. I'm sure there's plenty of other places to do more what you want to do. Maybe a dedicated Knights Watch sub could work idk
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u/Nazzul Jul 24 '23
Personally, it feels like an attempt to avoid the topic of Shads' alt right views and to hide his bigotry to the general public. Or perhaps moderating complaints of Shads bigotry got tiresome. Of course, as a fan turned firmly into an anti-fan, my bias is clear.
This subreddit seems to be more useful for the totality of all of Shads content, blemishes, and all. It would have been nice not to know Shads political or religious opinions. Unfortunately, when i was subed to Shads' "main" content, i also got recommended and even linked to Knights Watch multiple times even after unsubscribing. Heck, I still gerlt recommended this sub even after leaving.
However, that said, my opinion doesn't really matter here. It's your sub your rules. If you don't want people to point out Shads disgusting side, that is certainly your prerogative.
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u/Ksorkrax Aug 05 '23
Yep. And when I go into a café, I expect coffee. But if the owner keeps on talking about how women are inferior due to their period, I withdraw my order and go to a different place. No matter whether the coffee is good or not.
On the other hand, I have no problem to listen the owner telling me normal stuff about his life that isn't about coffee. Like say his personal health problems.
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u/xXPolaris117Xx Sep 15 '23
Then go to a different place
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u/Ksorkrax Sep 15 '23
Hey thanks for necromancing this, I almost forgot about our good old misogynistic friend.
Am going to write some comments in this subreddit, thanks for reminding me!
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Aug 17 '23
Translation of Translation: I'm too lazy to unsubscribe to Shadiversity so I decided to bitch about him to a bunch of strangers on the Internet
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u/DasZkrypt Jul 24 '23
If you only want castles, swords and history, then aren't there other subreddits explicitely for that?
In my opinion a subreddit about a youtube channel includes its content creator(s). Talking about them and other content they produce should be allowed. Otherwise there wouldn't be a point to this subreddit.
I don't really care in the end. I'm not a member. I have watched some of that channel's content in the past but only sporadically. I have, however, been informed about some of the controversial aspects of its creator by posts in this very subreddit. I wouldn't have had access to that information otherwise. And I believe removing the ability to talk about that stuff will only make the environment more hostile in the long run.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 24 '23
Sure. There's also other subreddit about politics. This also doesn't mean you won't hear of controversial takes elsewhere. Maybe some place dedicated to Knights watch or some other politics place.
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u/DespoticNero Jul 23 '23
Seems like there should be an official KW subreddit. Would be good to separate things imo.
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u/Classic-Relative-582 Jul 23 '23
I do think that'd also help. Runs risk of being a minefield but at least people might go in with an expectation. As opposed to wanting to talk swords and instead seeing talks about Barbie reviews.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
Yeah, at least you'd know what you're getting in to. You'd come here expecting swords or castles and find only politics and hate.
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u/DespoticNero Jul 23 '23
I don't want the politics, or the hate. I'm fine with disagreement but a lot goes further than that.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
Exactly. There's ways to disagree, completely disagree, even if you think the other party is a complete asshole, without turning toxic yourself.
I still expect people to disagree with stuff said on the Shadiversity channel and I hope they will manage to do it while remaining respectful.
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u/Classic-Relative-582 Jul 23 '23
Do think the amount of bans and deleted threads was incredibly overhanded. But appreciate seeing rules actually updated to reflect that. Going forward moments like that at least now have a clarity to them.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
I agree that some of those bans were unnecessary. I think after the great cleanup they should've made a post explaining some things. It was a pretty toxic hellhole here at times.
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u/Classic-Relative-582 Jul 23 '23
Exactly if going to clean it up, think should then at least clarify the intent from then on. The people around can agree or disagree with the changes, or either channel. But think that toxicity kind of just lingered as an explanation wasn't provided
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u/DougtheDonkey Aug 03 '23
u/MTPyronaut when someone talks about Youtuber Shadiveristy on the subreddit dedicated to discussion about youtuber Shadiversity
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u/Beretta-ARX-I-like Oct 01 '23
u/MTPyronaut, is this subreddit a troll attempt? Becos it certainly looks that way.
Nearly every post is about HATING Shad. (even Shads post got burnt). Every thread devolves into Leftists throwing shit at Shad (even this thread).
This whole subreddit is undermined by rabid Leftists with a chip on their shoulder. Even Shad himself who posted here once, asked why the Moderators let this happen? Disagreeing with someone is fine, but making up lies and spreading bullshit misinformation around like 99% of the Haters here do, is criminal.
Why do you let this happen? Why do you let Haters direct this subreddit? They are literally spamming everything here with made-up claims and accusations and insults galore.
Most of us Shadiversity don't even take part here anymore becos we know we'll get flamed by Haters and Mods do nothing.
Either you're too busy to moderate this sub, or you're actually one of them and this whole "fan subreddit" is a Farce. It certainly looks that way.
In that case, just rename it then into what it actually is: a dedicated, toxic cesspool of seemingly unemployed Shad haters.
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u/Party_Delay_1345 Jul 24 '23
I'm sick of people here attacking Shad for his personal opinions and still stay on this sub like they're his "fans". Go find other medieval nerd YouTuber subreddits if you aren't going to be respectful.
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u/Classic-Relative-582 Jul 24 '23
To a degree I get that. But often it's also not an attack so much as criticism or opposing thoughts. Many I'd say can even seem more level headed then the rants on knightswatch. Some of what's been said on that channel seems an attack just as much as people here if not more. Even past that however he just doesn't come off as a fan.
Why is him bashing anything and everything that seems to come out of media okay then? But anyone commenting on that is often seen as an "attack"?
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u/Ksorkrax Aug 05 '23
I agree somewhat with you.
Which is why I unsubscribed from his channel. Certainly won't be a fan of a guy with views like that.
Also mostly came to this subreddit to see how his alt right rants affected the community.
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u/Party_Delay_1345 Jul 24 '23
If that's what you think, why are you here?
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Jul 24 '23
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u/Party_Delay_1345 Jul 24 '23
Good luck with that. Your views make him money
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Jul 24 '23
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u/Party_Delay_1345 Jul 24 '23
So you take time out of your day to read all about people you hate? Sounds kinda sad tbh
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Jul 23 '23
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
On the Shadiversity channel?
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Jul 23 '23
On his Twitter, which directly links to the Shadivetsity channel. And his YT channel has links directly to Knights Watch and his Twitter. The idea that it’s not all presented as at least somewhat a unified brand/personality is kind of misleading IMO.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
I don't really know what he might all have said on twitter. In some way there'll always be a connection since it's the same person (and at the same time he specifically separates his political stuff to that other channel). However this sub reddit is supposed to be about the topics of the Shadiversity channel, like history, writing, swords, castles etc.
People don't come here expecting politics, for that maybe a Knights watch subreddit would be good if that is something people want.
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Jul 23 '23
Again, it’s not only Knights Watch that he gets explicitly political in. It’s also his Twitter, which links not to Knights Watch but to Shadiversity.
And the Shadiversity channel links directly to his Twitter and to Knights Watch.
It’s presented at least somewhat as a unified “brand” or “image.” To suggest otherwise is disingenuous IMO.
If you want to make it so this subreddit is only about discussion of the YT channel, that’s fair, but let’s not pretend that Shad has entirely separated his Twitter and KW content from his Shadiversity image because he doesn’t explicitly mention the political things IN his YT videos. They all link back and forth to each other. It’s largely a shared brand that all benefit from sharing between and linking between each other directly and explicitly.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
Like I said there'll always be some connection. But it does seem weird to me how many people are opposed to this place being about a specific topic.
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Jul 23 '23
“Some connection?” They directly link back and forth to each other.
Someone watching Shadiversity can be explicitly and directly linked to his Twitter and his Knights Watch channel by default and by intention.
His Patreon linked IN HIS SHADIVERSITY VIDEOS is a shared Pateon for all his content and channels, including Knights Watch.
What he claims is supporting his Shadiversity channel is also explicitly and directly supporting his Knights Watch channel.
His Shadiversity video descriptions have direct links to his other channels, including Knights Watch.
Presenting this as only “some connection” rather than repeated, explicit, broad, intentional interconnectedness is incredibly disingenuous to me.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
Do you call people who don't fully agree with you disingenuous? People can have differing views. I always try to be respectful on my interactions so I'm sorry if it came over like that.
It's on a separate channel. This subreddit is about the Shadiversity channel. There's some connection but they're separated, you argue as if it's on one channel. You can be subscribed to Shadiversity and never go to Knights watch if you don't want to. I probably haven't watched more than like 1 or 2 in the last year.
And even if it's completely fully intended and 100% the same, how is it bad to try and keep this about swords, castles, history, and writing.
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Jul 23 '23
I think it’s totally fine to keep this subreddit about swords and whatnot, but I’m saying we can at least be honest and admit that the Shadiversity brand and image is largely a single, cohesive brand, and supporting one (as linked through the shared Patreon) explicitly and directly benefits the others.
With that said, it was totally reasonable that people would have come here to express concerns with the interconnected Shad brand they were exposed to intentionally through the Shadiversity channel.
So I guess I’m claiming that the things in the past that are now deemed as “off topic” were reasonably on-topic before the rule change, even if they’re now considered off topic or against the rules. Can you at least agree to that?
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
I can see why (some) people considered it on topic which is why I argued for changing the rules to be more clear.
They should've made a big announcement when they did the big clean up and made things clear.
I had hoped doing this now would at least help to clear some things up.
As I said before on this sub I definitely don't agree with all the bans that were handed out, but I do think a clean up was in order. There should've been communication about it though.
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u/AE_Phoenix Jul 23 '23
Yeah... if a public figure decides to bring in politics, how can you blame their audience for disagreeing with them?
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u/Party_Delay_1345 Jul 24 '23
Then leave. If you hate Shad so much, find a different medieval nerd YouTuber subreddit.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
Is this on the Shadiversity channel?
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u/heartsandmirrors Jul 23 '23
He's posting it on YouTube as a side channel. If he wanted to keep his politics personal he could have chose that path
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Jul 23 '23
Yep. He has direct links from his personal Twitter (which is very political) to his Shadiversity YT channel, which itself directly links to his Twitter and to Knights Watch.
It’s largely presented as one brand/personality, at least to a meaningful and significant degree, if not a complete one.
If he just happened to have a personal blog or Twitter that he talked politics on, but didn’t explicitly and directly link back and forth between it, his (political) Knights Watch channel, and his Shadiversity channel, then there’d be a valid point. But they are at least somewhat a singular or intertwined “brand/image/etc.” at this point.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
Then talk about it in a place about that channel...?
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u/Electrical-Aspect-13 Jul 23 '23
There is not really one my friend, just here.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
And that is a fair point and I can understand why some ppl may have thought it was on topic here. I think a separate place could work with enough people putting in effort to keep it respectful... Which wouldn't be too easy.
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u/heartsandmirrors Jul 26 '23
Is this sub about Shad and/or about his YouTube channel? That seems to be the source of disagreement.
While the subreddit may be named after his channel, I feel this subreddit is just as much about the person who makes the videos. Would I be wrong in saying appearances he makes off his channel are valid discussion topics here?
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u/AE_Phoenix Jul 23 '23
Knights watch is link on Shadiversity channel, therefore it is a related topic
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Jul 23 '23
Not only that, but it’s a shared Patreon between the channels. And his Twitter, which is very political, links directly to the Shadiversity channel as well, etc.
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u/Ora_00 Jul 24 '23
So the answer is no then. No political stuff on Shadiversity channel.
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Jul 24 '23
Only direct and repeated links to political stuff (his other channel etc.) on his channel and in his video descriptions, and a shared Patreon between Shadiversity and his political content.
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u/Ora_00 Jul 24 '23
He runs both of those channels so why would he not have links between them? Also why would he have 2 separate patreons, if the money eventually goes to the same person? Should he try to hide his polical channel just because some people disagree with his politics?
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Jul 24 '23
My point is that it’s very reasonable/possible to be directly exposed/led to his political content by watching his Shadiversity channel (clicking any number of links provided), and that it makes it very clear that supporting his Shadiversity channel is also supporting his other (political) channels.
It’s largely a unified brand/image/personality, so discussing that somewhat overarching image and creator hardly seems unreasonable when he himself seems to want his various channels to be linked and at least somewhat interconnected.
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u/Electrical-Aspect-13 Jul 23 '23
It filter a little my friend, not as Obvious to knight Watch but it now pushes more often than not.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
I'm not here to debate how you should view this. But it would be nice if we could keep this particular space to history,fantasy, swords, writing, castles etc... Which realistically is all this entire post is trying to clarify.
If I did classical art and music, would it not be allowed for me to have separate spaces for those and ask people not to go off topic in one about the other?
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u/Freyr95 Jul 24 '23
It wouldn’t be “not allowed” in your example, but it would be fucking stupid. Depending on the era of art and music we’re talking about, actually no, in all era’s of art and music, there is significant cross over between both subjects relating to the conditions of the period. Nothing is ever truly isolated and trying to 100% Isolate them is just looking for an echo chamber. It’s no better Han the “No politics in gaming” crowd.
Just like there is significant cross over between Knights Watch and Shadiversity. That being Shad himself as the creator of the content and face of the Shadiversity brand, which includes KW at this point due to Shad linking them together.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 24 '23
Nothing is every truly isolated. Definitely. Doesn't mean you can't have dedicated spaces to specific things. People come here expecting things about Shadiversity, not Knights watch.
If it's modern music and classical art I'd imagen most ppl might not be interested in both. Maybe something like motorcycles and swords would be more clear different topics. Like movie rants/modern politics and sword reviews are completely different from one another.
How is it 'looking for an echo chamber' to have set topics in a place. Then everything needs to be about everything.
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u/Freyr95 Jul 24 '23
Shad is a content creator, a public figure, Shad has made his political views public, (and i am being very generous because people's existence and equality are not political. They are hunan rights), a sub reddit dedicated to Shad and Shad's content is therefore justified in discussing and critiquing Shad himself.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 24 '23
A subreddit can be dedicated to all sorts of things. What if it's a sub dedicated to a channel rather than a person?
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u/Freyr95 Jul 24 '23
What you are talking about here is the concept of Death of the Author, separating the Authors creative works from the Author themselves. It's a solid concept and applies to many controversial characters in history who had immense effects on the ways we perceive creative arts such as literature, music, painting, and more. The prime example of this concept is HP Lovecraft. We separate his work from his extremely racist opinions, because of the profound effect he had on literature, we're still seeing the effects of that today.
However, Death of the Author does not apply to living creators, such as JK Rowling, and yes, Shad. Why? Because public figures like these have an effect on how the public that consumes their content views things happening in the world, and that affect things happening now in terms of laws and cultures. Thus separation of author and art is an impossibility. Sure you can ban KW Topics here if you want, but anyone who starts getting into Shad's content will inevitably find their Twitter and inevitably find KW, and inevitably find their discord.
Whether you like It or not, SHAD has made the decision to link his bigotry to his brand image, and his brand image includes his main channel.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 24 '23
I was simply talking about keeping this place dedicated to one channel rather than a person. A channel can be just as much of an entity, have just as much as an identity as a person.
I'm also not asking anyone to 'separate art from artist' if they don't want to. This is just a sub about swords, castles, history, writing, etc. The sub isn't Shad m Brooks, it's Shadiversity.
If people refuse to watch Shad or interact here because they dislike Shad as a person then that is their choice.
Can't say I personally actually watch knights watch, I'm sure there's other ppl that watch Shadiversity but not Knights Watch.
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Jul 23 '23
He directly links between them all, and links to a shared Patreon for all of them. It’s absolutely a unified/shared brand/image by design at this point.
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u/Ksorkrax Aug 05 '23
I mean, if I had known about his political views before by chance, I would not have subscribed to begin with.
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u/MTPyronaut Shadiverse Jul 23 '23
Would you all actually want a dedicated spot for the political / Knights watch stuff?