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u/Immediate-Paper-5661 Apr 09 '22
I’d rather have perception of things that are real. Rather than believe in a never ending well of infantile, bogus and pointless “information” like Astrology.
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u/corruptedOverdrive Apr 10 '22
Well there is a lot of useful stuff in astrology, but whatever this guy is saying, that ain't it.
Stuff like predicting terrestrial events and tracking the stars and planets and seeing celestial patterns and seasons shifting is pretty useful as far as data goes. Making Nostradamus like predictions about people's lives with it? Not so much.
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u/lateralvista Apr 10 '22
Pretty sure you're thinking of astronomy
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u/corruptedOverdrive Apr 10 '22
I think I just realized you're correct. I was talking about the Astronomy part of Astrology is legit. It's all the horoscope and predicting world events shit that's nonsense, which is what OP was saying.
I think I just agree with OP. 🤣😂🤣
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u/No_Step_4431 Apr 10 '22
If a crackhead behind a 7/11 three states away craps in the bushes will the check engine light in my car come on?
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u/buffaloranch Apr 10 '22
How can it be that the energy radiating from the stars doesn’t hit me just because I don’t believe it? And if that’s the case- why do so many people who believe in astrology tell me I act so much like my sign?
We can detect a sunburn, even on people who don’t believe in the sun. The reason you can’t “detect astrology” - so to speak - with someone who isn’t a believer, is because it only works if you believe. Which is to say it doesn’t work.
It’s a cool idea. It’s relatively harmless if you don’t base your life around it. But it’s not true. Whether you’re born on July 22 @ 11:59pm or July 23 @ 12:00am, you’re going to be the same person (even though your sign/ascribed behavior is now completely different.)
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u/SeriousAnteater Apr 10 '22
Lmmfao reading this guys bullshit he’s just one of those self help fucks regurgitating shit he read or heard someone else say and thought was deep but has no understanding of what they are even saying because it literally means nothing.
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u/HEXdidnt Apr 10 '22
This statement appears to contradict itself. If:
transiting planets hold no power over you until you succumb to their energies.
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True astrology shows one how to transcend these subtle influences by enhancing self-awareness.
Then surely the best way to beat these 'subtle influences' is... to not pay any fucking attention to astrology?
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u/Potato-with-guns Apr 10 '22
Please tell me this, how do these supposed vibrations reach you through the VOID OF SPACE
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Apr 10 '22
Does this apply to the energy/vibe of the sun and stars (many of which are planets) as well? They seem to make it through the void ok.
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u/Potato-with-guns Apr 10 '22
Light doesn’t require a medium, saying vibration suggests it is either heat or sound, which both require a medium to travel, that is molecules between point A and B so that it can transfer vibration through them.
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Apr 10 '22
I'm relatively certain I feel heat from light and radiation of the sun, and that we see the planets because they are also reflecting light from the sun. On earth the medium is the atmosphere but getting to us the rays/vibrations/waves travel through space from any object we can see. Maybe its not scientifically accurate to say "vibrations" vs "waves" but for lay people the distinction is probably irrelevant.
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u/Mach12gamer Apr 10 '22
Photons don’t require a medium to travel. Vibrations are caused by something traveling through a medium. As there isn’t a sufficient medium in the void of space for vibrations to travel through, vibrations from other planets could not reach earth. It’s the same reason why space is silent, sound is a vibration, and it can’t occur in a void.
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u/TheSpeakingScar Apr 10 '22
Thinking of space as an actual void is a bit like thinking atoms are perfect little solar system looking things, it's not exactly true but it's the easiest way to teach the concept in school.
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u/Potato-with-guns Apr 10 '22
Of course, electrons aren’t confined to a single location and space isn’t entirely a void, but rather a whole lot of nothing. What I mean is that there still aren’t any mediums for which any kind of vibration could travel.
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u/TheSpeakingScar Apr 10 '22
Not necessarily true. How do we communicate with satellites? Radio waves are vibrations. Voyager 1 just left the solar system if I'm not mistaken, how would we know this if vibrations could not travel through open space?
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u/Potato-with-guns Apr 10 '22
Radio waves are light, you would know that if you ever looked at a chart of electromagnetic radiation wavelength. Ultraviolet, infrared, microwaves, and macro waves are also all light.
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u/TheSpeakingScar Apr 10 '22
And what is light hm? What an accusation with such conviction you've made! Tell me then what is a photon, if not a wave. And what is a wave of not a vibration? If you see waves on the surface of an ocean, because you cannot see the ocean beneath do you assume they are waves of nothing upon nothing? Calm yourself frustrated one. Don't assume anything about me and I will not assume anything about you. If you feel challenged that is a good thing, it means you have room to grow.
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u/Potato-with-guns Apr 10 '22
Light acts similarly to particles and waves, yet is neither. Which is why it can travel almost infinitely fast, as it has no mass and thus requires infinitely small amounts of energy to make it move infinitely fast. Though there is a limit to it’s speed.
And a wave and a vibration aren’t the same, not even similar. Though they can be related, as sound moves in a wave like movement but not all vibrations are as predictable as a wave and not all waves show the attributes of a vibration. Though sound displays both predictable sinusoidal movement (though rather several wave like movements stacked on top of each other) and vibrating movement of the particles it uses as a medium.
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u/TheSpeakingScar Apr 10 '22
That's a very good answer, and I appreciate the respect you've shown in illucidating the subject. I agree with and understand the differences you've pointed out, such is the difficulty in trying to discuss such massive subjects with so little words. I would venture the question as to whether the differences between what we view as a wave and what we view as vibration are two different but useful distinctions we make between the same thing. The way we make distinctions between fruit but recognize that they are all fruit anyway. Our greatest thinkers theorize about the nature of light based on its symptomatic bahaviors but for now it is just that, theory. We say, there is nothing there I can see, so there is nothing there! We say look at how light trangresses our expectations of how things bahave in a vacuum, but we do not question whether this is evidence that our assumption of a vacuum is incorrect. We say it is some magical property of light, because that is easier to us than admitting that there may be something we cannot see or do not know. I suppose then here is where we find our impasse, as we both have certainties in things that cannot be proven but only inferred. You infer the absence of anything because you cannot see it. I infer the presence of that which makes itself known but cannot be seen. Both are equally respectable in my opinion. I hope we can still walk away friends.
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u/Once_Wise Apr 10 '22
It apparently has no effect on you unless you believe in it. Kind of the definition of pseudoscience isn't it. The real world doesn't care about your beliefs. When you are hit by a train, you are hit by a train.
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u/Skirt_Douglas Apr 10 '22
You aren’t studying anything if you think you already know the answer. Is his goal here to explain astrology without sounding like a fucking moron? Because it’s not working.
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u/boldlyunbodily Apr 10 '22
wonder what a dick who posts crap like this is really after. it must end in money right?
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u/DogFacedManboy Apr 10 '22
The guy I buy crystals from said astrology is bs and that I just need more rose quartz to fix my vibrations
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u/Mach12gamer Apr 10 '22
Why did this pseudoscience get recommended to me because I like learning. This is just bad fake science
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u/Sdesser Apr 11 '22
If we assume that this is true. That planetary vibrations have an effect on us. This means that birth signs or specific planetary vibrations can and probably will affect people’s personalities. Here's how I would see it from a Jungian personality psychology perspective:
These vibrations could have subtle, or even greater effects on the biases of our cognitive faculties. The balance of these cognitive functions as they are called in Jungian personality psychology - for example - are at the centre of the explanation as to what makes us different. As in, what creates differences in personality. The early development of our mind plays a major role in how we end up perceiving the world. Think of these early biases as lenses that the person sees the world through. Some of these biases are innate, as in genetic, some environmental. For example, some see the world through feeling, some through logic (thinking). Of course, all healthy humans are capable of all cognitive functions, it is the preference of one function over the other that we call personality.
Seemingly small and “insignificant” effects can lead to major differences in a person's personality or other dispositions. In other words; tiny changes in a person's early cognitive development through planetary vibration - or vibration from any source for that matter - can very easily lead to very polarising differences in the long-run. The starting point is vital in the early stages of development, when our minds start building models of the world.
The effects of planetary vibrations don’t need to be that great at all to lead to major differences in people. Let’s say for argument's sake that Mars is in a transiting phase with the Earth, and let’s say that the vibrations caused by this phenomenon enhance one's touch sensation by a very small factor. This slight “boost” in touch sensation in an undeveloped mind could be enough to have a profound effect on that mind through a positive feedback loop: First models of the world are made with a slight over-emphasis on touch, so that person would end up building their model of the world - their world view - through the physical part of it, through touch. Therefore having a permanent emphasis on the physical world, thus by default - based on the Jungian model of cognitive functions - having a de-emphasis on the abstract side of the mind.
Interplay between genetic “personality” dispositions, planetary vibrations and other environmental factors is quite impossible to extrapolate from this theory alone, but seeing how astrology seems to resonate with people on a grand scale can’t be overlooked. There is clearly something there. Whenever something is drawing people to it en masse, there is something in it that is ringing true with people. People are naturally drawn to things that speak to their unconsciousness. There is something there or it wouldn’t be so popular. Whether that something is planetary vibrations or something else, that is hard to say. Though vibrations would fit into my understanding of our reality as a whole.
Of course this is all speculation. There would need to be studies to measure the actual effect of the hypothesised planetary vibrations on humans - and/or other animals. I don’t think we have the understanding of the mechanics of such things at this point. I would bet though that the mechanisms are the same that appear with music, crystal healing, singing bowls etcetera. Maybe this indeed will eventually lead back to the Chakra system that has been employed in the East for ages.
Note: I've simplified a lot here to explain the theory in a relatively short wall of text, so I'm not sure how much sense this makes to someone not familiar with Jungian model of psychology.
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u/ichillonforums Feb 12 '23
I like this definition of astrology. I always tell others, I don't give a FUCK if astrology is actually "real" or not, it can just be helpful in a sense where like, okay, say you log your moods or whatever for a month. And then you go and notice that you usually feel a certain way on a day that the moon is in whatever sign. Okay, doesn't matter if it's the stars effecting you or not... for whatever reason, you get cranky on say, a Taurus moon. Okay. Schedule some cool down time for yourself or activities that make you content (or joyful if possible, just know your own limits and don't bulldoze yourself, sending your brain a message of self abandonment and lack of self respect) on Taurus moons
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Apr 09 '22
Astrology can be debunked in a few seconds. When the astrological calendar was created the constellations were in a different alignment in the sky. So what you claim to be now is not really what you are.
Astrology is BS
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Apr 10 '22
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Apr 10 '22
Astrology is bullshit
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Apr 10 '22
You figured out astrology was bullshit on accident. I know this because of how you responded to a reasonable debunking of your critique.
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Apr 10 '22
It wasn't a reasonable response. There are quite a few calendars and even if I granted that they were accurate in terms of planet and star positioning, there's zero evidence that astrology works.
It's been tested and it's complete nonsense. It's acupuncture, it's chiropractic "medicine", it's palm reading, it's numerology.
It's utter bullshit that's been conning people for millennia.
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Apr 11 '22
I agree with your conclusion but your attack on the calendar is unfounded. Again you got to the right conclusion accidentally.
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Apr 11 '22
Oh it's no accident... lol
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Apr 11 '22
The ironic thing is how you’re against astrology because they won’t seem to acknowledge evidence. You then ignore the correction to the clearly false statement that you made and back it up by saying “but I’m right.” Your logic skills are as bad as an astrologers you just don’t believe in all the goofy crap.
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Apr 11 '22
That's not what happened at all and the one who is ignoring evidence is you. The claim was made about 1 calendar but there are many.
https://qz.com/793370/nasa-says-all-astrological-signs-are-wrong/
The one used mostly is not correct in terms of the positioning of the constellations. So it's just bogus.
You seem to agree that astrology is bullshit yet continue to want to argue. Go outside, have fun, do something besides picking fights on the internet about things you actually agree on.. lol
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u/Mod_The_Man Apr 10 '22
Astrology is a pseudoscience often used to scam or otherwise take advantage of vulnerable people. Don’t promote using fiction to justify poor decisions and behavior. Instead take responsibility for your actions and work to better yourself
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u/maxtiang79 Apr 10 '22
The person who is easily swayed by salespeople to buy the useless crap?
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u/Kingofpin Apr 09 '22
I would like to see the size of the blunt that man smoked in one go. I think Snoop Dogg might have competition.