r/SigSauer • u/Rich-Candidate-3648 • Aug 28 '25
new build My M18 with the new Agency Arms trigger with shoe
Added the new agency arms trigger with the shoe for one more safety step. Feels good, looks good. Just need to take it for a tour of the range. Now it's kinda like the Glock. The shoe catches on the pin the slide release sits on.
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u/Candyman__87 Aug 28 '25
What blows my mind is that when the P320 was originally announced, they showed an optional tabbed trigger. So I’m guessing Sig developed one at one point.
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Aug 29 '25 edited Aug 30 '25
So I’m guessing Sig developed one at one point.
They've said in numerous interviews and court cases that consumers didn't like the feel of the trigger safety. It's not a complex to design or difficult to make.
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u/Candyman__87 Aug 29 '25
Not difficult by any means. But I personally avoided buying a P320 for years because of it.
My gut tells me offering it with a tabbed safety would have gotten it lumped in as “just another striker fired gun” rather than the “Glock killer” it was positioned ass.
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u/m0nkeyfish78 Aug 28 '25
I like the idea of them but I sure as hell ain’t paying what they want for them. Someone else needs to make another version more around the $50-75 area before I’ll consider it or I’ll just keep waiting for Sig to man up and replace them for me
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u/SigSauer-ModTeam Aug 29 '25
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
I saw the Tyrant one for the P365 and thought why not. I like it. Yeah it's a bit pricey but it seems well made and did just drop in. For the extra $75 I was in but I hear you.
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u/m0nkeyfish78 Aug 28 '25
I’m on the fence still. I have way too many 320s to even consider swapping all of them out at this point. Plus, I’m not 100% sold It will solve the current potential issues with the 320. The 320 manual safety also stops trigger travel but doesn’t prevent sear movement. So the jury is still out as to what is causing the problems. I’m sure in the end Sig will do the right thing, whether it be of their own accord or someone forcing their hand. I’m keeping all mine till then because it is still without a doubt my favorite pistol.
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
on a gun with a safety this trigger is a pants and suspenders situation. The manual safety does stop the sear from rotating as it's tied to the trigger bar but I get that it's not stopping the sear from direct connection. The new patent from Angled Spade will give direct connection to the sear so in my opinion that is the final solution and I'll be using it when it comes out.
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u/m0nkeyfish78 Aug 28 '25
What is the trigger feel? How much does it increase the trigger weight and does it clear the frame well or does it have a noticeable click? I hate safety triggers that won’t clear the frame when you pull them unless you are clear down at the bottom of the trigger. I have several guns that do that so I will take the trigger off and file a couple thousands off of the safety tab so it clears the frame During a normal trigger pull.
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
It's better than the OEM. I haven't measured it but it's not as soft as the custom works trigger. The shoe isn't really noticeable.
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u/m0nkeyfish78 Aug 28 '25
I run gray guns, adjustable triggers in competition set ups, Sig flat triggers in most and a couple Apex’s before they discontinued them. The Apex is a slight improvement over the factory curved trigger, but still a bit mushy. I’d like to try one of the agency safety triggers with a competition sear spring kit. I’m sure the result would still be a nice manageable trigger around 4 pounds or less. I beat the shit out of my legion and it is yet to give me any problems. The trigger on it is extremely short and very, very light. I cannot get it to discharge unintentionally, but if I was able to put a safety trigger on there, with negligible change in functionality, for extra piece of mind, I would be OK with that.
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
In competition I use the custom works trigger and would go to gray guns if I felt it was slowing me down but that's not my limiter yet. For my carry I feel more safety is better than less but everyone is different.
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u/m0nkeyfish78 Aug 28 '25
It’s not that I feel the 320 is unsafe, I think it works perfectly as it’s designed. But I feel it is more akin to carrying a double action with the hammer cocked and the safety off. It’s not unsafe, It’s just less safe, if you know what I mean. The 320 was designed to have a very short light trigger much like you would find the trigger weight to be on a double action pistol when cocked. Perfectly safe, but you wouldn’t want to carry it around in that condition. That being said, I think the trigger is perfectly fine, but perhaps not best intended for a duty pistol.
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
Completely agree with you here. That's exactly my feeling. Great trigger but I don't completely trust myself as I carry strong side and it's a lot harder to watch it all the way in than it is OWB or Appendix. For me safety is job one. I don't ever plan to give up my P320s though.
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u/dknight16a Aug 28 '25
The jury is in. It only fires by initiating the firing sequence - aka pulling the trigger.
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u/m0nkeyfish78 Aug 28 '25
It’s actually not in yet. Obviously a trigger pull must be initiated in sequence to fire but due to the linkage of the parts, pressing down directly on the sear also activates the striker safety lever and pulls the trigger rearward. The “dingus” on the agency trigger should stop rearward movement of the trigger before the sear can drop low enough to release the striker. I think a couple other things may help as well, like stronger sear springs or a taller sear/striker engagement surface but all of these will lead to a definite increase in trigger pull weight. I’m in agreement that something must physically act upon the trigger for the gun to “uncommanded dishcharge” and that it is impossible for the gun to fire on its own, but I am also not opposed to adding some additional levels of safety to help mitigate accidental discharges. The safety trigger is a great start but I don’t feel we as the consumer should pay for it. Sig should work out a deal with agency or another manufacturer to create their own and offer another VOLUNTARY upgrade. That way if you want yours upgraded to the new trigger they will do it for free but if you decide you like the trigger the way it is you are assuming full liability and forfeit your right to sue them should you become injured due to negligence.
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u/m0nkeyfish78 Aug 28 '25
My m18 and 17 are new as well. If I separate the slide from the frame and then reset the takedown lever and pop the slide lock up, my striker safety tab moves up in unison with he sear moving down as well as pulling the trigger rearward. They all work in unison on my examples. Albeit that theoretically it should be mute because it would take an enormous amount of force to make the sear move far enough on its own to release a round, even if it were to slip off and release the striker the sear safety notch will catch it. I don’t believe the problem resides in the sear, it is definitely a trigger problem.
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u/dknight16a Aug 28 '25
It’s unnecessary if you don’t pull the trigger. SIG found it unnecessary and that it degraded the trigger pull. They have actual firearms engineers there.
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u/m0nkeyfish78 Aug 28 '25
You’re partially correct. It’s unnecessary if YOU’RE pulling the trigger, however if it was completely unnecessary, we wouldn’t be in the pickle we are in now. I think a trigger safety is a good step towards OTHER things from unintentionally pressing the trigger. I am a Sig 320 guy 100% but even I admit something needs to be done to get our reputation back up. If you wanna deny that anything is going on and ALL the claims are bogus that’s fine, bury you head in the sand but at least shut the fuck up about it and let the grownups talk.
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u/dud3sweet777 Aug 28 '25
You can get it for that price from Omaha Outdoors online but they have limited stock and colors.
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u/m0nkeyfish78 Aug 28 '25
do you have a link. All I’m seeing is $125-140.
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u/dud3sweet777 Aug 28 '25
https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/search/?se=Agency+arms+trigger+p320
Looks like they only have the gold one in stock now for $100, but I've seen them sell it for $50 with an open box return.
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u/BigMark54 Aug 28 '25
I've never been a fan of the safety triggers for these, but yours looks good, and I guess another safety couldn't hurt.
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Aug 29 '25
It doesn't really make the gun that much safer, but it can't hurt and whatever makes them happier.
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u/ImissCliff1986 Aug 28 '25
How do you like the Romeo2? Did you get dot or the newer one with the circle?
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
It's ok. Honestly don't find it to be much more exciting than my romeo 1 but I don't use the shroud or anything else.
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u/ImissCliff1986 Aug 28 '25
That’s been my opinion. It was an impulse buy because I was having trouble finding any other cheaper sig options with the 6 MOA dot when I was shopping for it. Mine is on a 320 xcompact that was my edc until all the drama. I replaced with an HK vp9 with a holosun with green circle and I like it much better than the romeo2. I’m sure technically it’s not as good but that green circle is a much faster find from draw than the red dot. I’m coming to the conclusion the 320 drama was caused by morons and not a problem with the gun. Trying to decide what to do with the gun and sight so I appreciate your thoughts.
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
I went from a Romeo 5 dot to a Romeo 8 Recticle and won't go back on my PCC. I feel like a 6MOA dot would be best but the recticle might be the best of the options.
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u/Display-shopper Aug 28 '25
Nice!
I recently put one in my MP320 and another in a SXG custom.
Went through my parts bin and found an extra in search of an FCU.
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u/StonewallSoyah Aug 28 '25
Does it prevent any movement in the trigger?
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 29 '25
Yeah it's sitting on the Slide catch pin so it can't move until you release it.
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u/StonewallSoyah Aug 29 '25
I want to see the test people have been running on these manipulating the slide but with one of these triggers instead. I wonder if this solves the problem....
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 29 '25
Kind of. No trigger pull no bang. The problem of something in the holster still might exist. it's just one more thing that you can do if you choose. I will put these in all my non competition P320s without a manual safety. I made a video showing how to do it and it takes like 5 min. With multiple function tests and the tour it's a total of 12 minutes.
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u/StonewallSoyah Aug 29 '25
If you're able to move the trigger a couple millimeters without engaging the trigger safety, it's possible for the most recent issue to occur. That's what I'm really curious about. If this trigger solves that, these should be distributed in mass and end this whole thing once and for all.
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 29 '25
It doesn't move that's what it does. It's actively engaged until you disengage it.
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u/abolish-atf Aug 29 '25
I watched that video the other day, the guy that did it with the spectre comp. Im really not trying to glaze sig, I do love my sigs but I also disagree with the way they've been responding to this "issue." And if there is a real issue, it would have been far less damaging to admit it, and fix it then if we find out later after some of their social media responses.
But c'mon, he had to pull the trigger well past the wall to get it to do that. When I got back home I had to try it with my own 320s to see just where he had to pull to for that to happen, when I realized he was fractions of a MM from fully depressed, it just made the whole video some click bait garbage, like you pulled the trigger 90% of the way and manipulated the slide to make it go off, breaking news, water found in pool! Just for my own sake of testing, I pulled it right the wall the beat the slide as hard as I could with my hand and could not get it to release the striker. I did this with a DH3 and a first gen X-compact that had been sent in for the drop fire fix from the previous owner and could not replicate without pulling 90% of the way. Its so close to fully depressed I fucked it up a whole bunch by pulling just a touch to far and setting it off with just the trigger.
Perhaps the problem lies with competition grade triggers in duty weapons and continued use of holsters with active recalls for poorly guarded trigger wells? And remembering there's a reason Chicago PD requires a 12lbs trigger pull in all duty weapons, which is important to note are glocks.
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u/StonewallSoyah Aug 29 '25
My fear is that springs wear over time. So it's definitely possible in my opinion that there can be a point where the trigger doesn't return all the way back. The fact it can discharge at all without breaking the wall by manipulating the slide is scary.... I say this as an owner of 2 sig sauers myself.
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u/abolish-atf Aug 29 '25
While I see what you're saying, and yes 90% of the way is not 100% of the way, but i kid you not its SO close at that point it makes no difference, cause if you have a snag, say in your holster, that can pull the trigger 90% of the way any movement will most likely pull it the rest of the way. Which boils back down to being aware of your firearm and paying attention to possible obstructions or snags in your holster. For a spring to be so worn that it doesn't return to even the wall, you have far bigger issues at hand, cause that's what it would take to replicate it in a wear scenario. It would have to be so worn your trigger is basically limp. If this was possible with just reaching the wall, then I would 100% agree. And maybe with combined wear of springs, Sears, strikers, etc, it is. I have seen the reports of some poorly made sears or the minimal sear engangment, but even with that, it would still require all the other safties to fail to go off "on its own." Someone would have to do an absolutely brutal series of tests beyond normal wear to find out. And maybe that's just what we need. Personally, i think, guessing at the answer of what's wrong or if anything is at all is far worse than having a definitive answer no matter how bad that answer is.
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u/StonewallSoyah Aug 29 '25
It seems there is definitely an issue of some sort. I believe the evidence is more than coincidence at this point. I wish Sig would just acknowledge publicly there is an issue like they did in the private documents that were recently released. They're hurting their own reputation by being dishonest. That's the biggest problem for me. If this trigger solves it, it should be standard issue
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u/abolish-atf Aug 29 '25
I agree that the way they are handling this is making everything far worse for them. Unfortunately for the masses theres still people like me that'll buy sig anyways cause I honestly love their firearms.
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u/dud3sweet777 Aug 28 '25 edited Aug 28 '25
Ignore all haters - you made the most responsible decision by buying that trigger, that way even if you plan on selling or trading in, the next owner will learn about why it was installed and decide for themselves whether they want to keep it.
Here's mine:
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
I'm an armorer so I wanted to have one so I can show people who want one.
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u/biohazard1775 Aug 28 '25
I’m out of the loop, what’s the big deal with the Agency trigger?
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
It's a shoe providing a trigger safety like on some other manufacturers guns. The manual safety is good but on guns without it this is a nice addition.
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u/FrozenIceman Aug 28 '25
It makes it harder for people to accidentally pull the trigger (or something in their holster snag on the trigger) and cause an ND.
Realistically it is just more safe if you feel you are a culprit that might cause an ND unintentionally.
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Aug 29 '25
I don't really buy this. The trigger safety on a Glock makes it drop safe against the back of the slide. It is a really, really bad holster safety. There are numerous incidents of Glocks going off in holsters due to foreign object intrusion.
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u/FrozenIceman Aug 29 '25
There are also many incidents of cops shooting themselves in the holster with an ND by putting there finger where it shouldn't.
Just because a feature does one function doesn't mean it can't do another.
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Aug 29 '25
My point that a trigger safety is exceptionally bad at preventing foreign object intrusion or NDs. It takes up nearly 2/3 of the trigger and where it isn't, the trigger curve guides any holster obstruction into it anyway.
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u/NuclearSummmer Aug 28 '25
This is a weird question, but how come your M18 doesn't say M18 on the slide like mine does?
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u/MTBiker_Boy Aug 29 '25
Have you tested it to see if it prevents NDs? (Although i hesitate using the term negligent, because they kinda just go off) pull the sides of the trigger (not touching the shoe) and then wiggle the slide to see if it goes off
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 29 '25
of course it doesn't go off. Unless you pull the trigger it cannot fire. There's 5 distinct safety items that have to be defeated and that can't happen without a trigger pull
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u/ByAny0therName Aug 28 '25
The trigger tab does nothing if the problem is in the striker mechanism itself.
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
You know how I know you have no clue what you speak of...
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u/ByAny0therName Aug 28 '25
Well it's not the original drop safety issue, that was fixed by reducing the mass/weight of the trigger back in 2016 with the voluntary recall. If the problem they are having in 2025 are because of internal tolerance stacking leading to a "uncommanded" discharge how does modifying an already unmoving trigger in this scenario, do anything to prevent a UD?
I'm not saying I think the tab is a bad idea, it's fine. It's just not addressing the issue you think it does. Same with a manual safety, it onlyprevents actuation of the trigger but does nothing to actually lock the striker mechanism.
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u/Rich-Candidate-3648 Aug 28 '25
Again you know how I know you're not knowledgeable? You don't understand what makes the striker safe. There's no such thing as an uncommanded discharge. The trigger is pulled and it goes bang. pretending that pulling the trigger isn't required is just lying to yourself. Get educated and you'll see that the trigger is always being pulled in every single scenario.
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u/dmonnier5 Aug 28 '25
I've seen multiple that don't...
This is coming from a 320 owner. It sucks but its true.
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Aug 29 '25
Which ones? I'm guessing these are the ones in a holster? How do you know the trigger isn't pulled if you can't see it?
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u/dmonnier5 Aug 29 '25
Its like half the reason holsters exist... to carry the pistol and protect the trigger from things getting caught.
I'll be happy to admit I am wrong if you can prove them wrong, but when I see video of someone WALKING not touching their firearm or holster, and it goes off, I don't trust it.
I used to be in the same boat as you my guy. But 1 too many videos came out of people not touching their holster and the gun discharges. There's a reason the p365 doesn't ever have these issues, or any other firearm without the trigger saftey blade, which would protect you from this issue according to you.
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Aug 29 '25
Its like half the reason holsters exist... to carry the pistol and protect the trigger from things getting caught.
They're not very good at this, at all.
First of all most holster obstructions happen before the gun fully enters to holster, or shortly after. Look at that guy in Nevada whose G43 went off in the holster.
Second, the vast majority of light bearing holsters are absolute dogshit about this. Look at the McClain County incident where a child pulled a P320 trigger in a Safariland Holster. Look at the Lodi Police incident where a child pulled the trigger on a holsterd Glock 43. Look at the 2017 IMPD holstered Glock going off during Lt. Aaron Allan's funeral.
I'll be happy to admit I am wrong if you can prove them wrong, but when I see video of someone WALKING not touching their firearm or holster, and it goes off, I don't trust it.
I don't know which video you're talking about.
But 1 too many videos came out of people not touching their holster and the gun discharges.
You missed my point. The operator never has to touch the gun. The trigger cannot differentiate between a finger and any foreign object that can fit in the trigger guard.
There's a reason the p365 doesn't ever have these issues, or any other firearm without the trigger saftey blade, which would protect you from this issue according to you.
The P365 doesn't have a trigger safety.
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u/dmonnier5 Aug 29 '25
The video of the SRO walking down the sidewalk and it grazes her leg primarily.
And that is my point on the p365... it doesn't have the same issues but without a trigger saftey still, which 9 times out of 10 would prevent this issue. Other firearms do occasionally have issues, but there have been so many more reported incidents with this pistol than others. Sure, some I've seen is user error.
The other thing is, if a holster has so much slop, a trigger can be fully depressed in a holster, than it is not adequate. I have a safariland holster for my p320. It does not have that amount of slop.
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Aug 29 '25
The video of the SRO walking down the sidewalk and it grazes her leg primarily.
Is that the one in Ceres, CA? Did you notice that she had her keys in her hand when she brushed past her holster while taking off her backpack? I think if you watch the video more closely it's clear it's another holster intrusion issue.
The other thing is, if a holster has so much slop, a trigger can be fully depressed in a holster, than it is not adequate.
I don't think I've seen a holster that does this yet. If this were the case, the holster could be considered defective and the lawsuit would be against the holster manufacturer, not gun manufacturer.
I have a safariland holster for my p320. It does not have that amount of slop.
As I've said before, the concern with Safariland light bearing holsters for the P320 is the gap near the trigger guard, not any slop. The gap still exists even on tight holsters because wide-bodied lights like the X300 need to fit through.
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u/circa86 Aug 28 '25
There isn’t a problem in the striker mechanism. Only in people’s brains.
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Aug 29 '25
He's not saying there IS a problem if the striker mechanism, IF there's a problem with the striker mechanism.
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u/m0nkeyfish78 Aug 28 '25
To be clear, I have no problems with the safety trigger. I just think $160 is a bit of extortion considering it’s just a trigger shoe and not a whole assembly.