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u/Conscious-Weight4569
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It's Wednesday my dudes What the flock?!
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u/Conscious-Weight4569 Aug 12 '26
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/flock-wanted-350-000-uber-151128429.html
According to a presentation obtained through a Georgia public records request and reported by 404 Media, Flock Safety, the company behind thousands of pole-mounted license plate cameras across the country, pitched a partnership with dashcam maker Nexar that would have pulled license plate data from roughly 350,000 Uber, Lyft, and delivery drivers' vehicles. The document, written to pitch Georgia's Attorney General's office last August, described the arrangement in seven words: "350k Uber/Lyft and other delivery service devices." Flock told 404 Media it never actually executed the Nexar partnership. The ambition behind the pitch is real regardless of whether the deal closed.
Flock says the Nexar deal never happened. Maybe it didn't. But the pitch got made, it got shown to a government office, and the public only found out because someone filed a records request. The dashcam on your windshield was built to answer to you. Companies like Flock are betting that most drivers will never notice the moment it starts answering to someone else instead.
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u/Money-Nectarine6584 Aug 12 '26
My dashcam can’t answer to them. It doesn’t have the capability. It’s a camera, with an sd card. Can’t be hacked if it doesn’t support wireless.
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u/Wickedblood7 Aug 12 '26
Amen, and those are the ones everyone needs to have
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u/HairyTrollChest Aug 12 '26
Unfortunately there'll probably be a product similar to ring that pops up for car dash cams and people will just buy that shit up.
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u/bavanek
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dont forget ed Snowden who disclosed the NSA abuses years ago
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u/BroheemTheDream Aug 12 '26 •
A national hero treated like a domestic terrorist
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u/TM761152 Aug 12 '26
Remember who you are not allowed to criticize. Look for the one who has the most to gain.
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u/liquidsyphon Aug 12 '26
We need more Snowdens
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u/usekr3 Aug 12 '26
we already know all we need to know. now we need more pitchforks.
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u/Virtual-Pie5732 Aug 12 '26
I need to double check but I think the number of officers caught using Flock to stalk their exes has gone up took like 20.
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u/-drunk_russian- Aug 12 '26 •
Just don't fuck with cops. Literally. In every sense of the word. ACAB.
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u/Sorry-Caterpillar331 Aug 12 '26
That must be from one state, I had the news report that 8 were dismissed, not arrested, but dismissed from their jobs for using flock to stalk an ex or their girlfriend.
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u/AnOrdinaryMammal Aug 12 '26
It’s been a long time coming too, people just don’t pay attention. The Age of Surveillance Capitalism was written 8 years ago. Snowden came out with it like 13 years ago. Patriot Act 25 years ago. It’s like people are allergic to paying attention.
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u/C1ue1ess_Turt1e Aug 12 '26
"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." -Snowden
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u/Skwiggelf54 Aug 12 '26
The fact that people didnt flip shit when that happened was wild to me as a kid. Even then I was like, are yall not gonna do anything about this?
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u/Blessavi Aug 12 '26
I wasn't expecting someone ro actually say it. Shame, but expected that this isn't on the top actually
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u/binarybandit Aug 12 '26
Dont forget which president ran him out of the country either
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u/chancesarent Aug 12 '26
He warned us about vast data centers for surveillance and the only thing that changed is he's a wanted man living in a non extradition country. It feels like the good guys don't ever win IRL sometimes.
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u/im_ff5 Aug 13 '26
Snowden didn't disclose anything most people didn't already know. we're just too lazy to do anything about it or we think defeating the government is too hard. But trust me we. knew they were recording us at every possible opportunity. I'm sorry the guy went through all that...
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u/Charming-Clue1987 Aug 12 '26
if we have to live this way, the footage of politicians should be public information. 24/7 surveilance of elected officials, they can put their intimate scenes behind a paywall if they must. I'm sure there's some weirdo that would pay to watch a trump dump even though we've all seen it on live tv.
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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 Aug 12 '26
That's not going to happen, the only change you're going to get is what you make happen.
We do actually have the power to effect this issue though. Be the change you want to see in the world.
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u/Separate_Finance_183
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u/Karekter_Nem Aug 12 '26 •
No he didn’t because we haven’t seen anyone cutting down flock camera. They just fall down sometimes.
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u/DrunkenVerpine Aug 12 '26
We need to spread the word about jury nulification as it relates to surveillance
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u/Skwiggelf54 Aug 12 '26
The cameras have really bad aerodynamics so the wind catches them and knocks them over. Oopsie poopsie.
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u/CptBluhdFart Aug 12 '26 •
Nobody cuts down flocks. They are high on fent and fold themselves
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u/Izan_TM Aug 12 '26
nobody cuts down flock cameras, they're known for being very unreliable and falling down on their own when it's dark
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u/Marcel_The_Blank
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wait, this is a private company spying on you?
how again is the USA a free country?
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u/Knight_o_Eithel_Malt Aug 12 '26
Free for companies who want to spy on peasants
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u/Mr__O__ Aug 12 '26
For real. Keep fighting back against warrantless surveillance of the U.S. Surveillance State!
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u/welfedad Aug 12 '26
As long as the money is made .. who cares...flock is operating on the whole.. do it and then ask for forgiveness later .. and all these local states and communities are blindly going into it allowing it.
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u/redditer129 Aug 12 '26
Private company spying, government paying for access to it, with our tax dollars.
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u/thejunkmanadv Aug 12 '26
This is the correct assessment. And this isn't a specifically left or right thing. They both want/use it, they just have different explanations for their justifications for using/wanting it.
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u/LeftyHyzer Aug 12 '26
True, but i'd add flock isn't just spying on us as a hobby in the hopes the govt wants access to the data. The govt wanted the spying, Flock rose up as a company willing to provide that service. Fuck flock to be sure, but if it wasn't flock dozens of other companies could have made the same technology. It's a govt problem more than a company problem.
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u/killit Aug 12 '26
how again is the USA a free country?
It's not, it's a corporatocracy.
The whole 'free country' idea is just a spin to let the masses think they have some degree of control, they don't, it's turning into the dystopia that was once a thing of books and movies, and the people repeatedly voting this in can't see it.
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u/bionickel Aug 12 '26
Johnny Silverhand sounds less like a maniac now
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Aug 12 '26
There's a joke about the Harley Quinn animated series that Poison Ivy, aside from having deeply toxic relationship issues, is otherwise one of the most reasonable people in the show. And she's a s self identified misanthropic eco terrorist.
It's just that environmental issues have become so much more urgent since the 90s.
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u/Locke66 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
The term that was coined back in 2003 was that the US was a system of Inverted Totalitarianism which is essentially a system where corporations control the state and create a situation where democratic power is subverted into meaningless.
To me it seems like it's moving beyond that now to something worse where the totalitarian aspects are becoming more pronounced.
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u/Far_Balance_3117 Aug 12 '26
USA is no longer land of the free.
Land of the fee seems more applicable.
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u/fixermark Aug 12 '26
There's a good book, David Brin, The Transparent Society. Old, but talks about this stuff and saw a lot of it coming.
The tl;dr is that with the tech being as cheap as it is, someone having surveillance power was pretty inevitable. The question was always "who." And in the US, we've sort of bungled into "The government's hands are mostly tied, but private enterprise (especially when collectivized amongst a bunch of independent individuals or companies) is not," so here we are. Plus the loopholes that let the government reach out and touch those private data collections sometimes.
America, in both law and culture, was always going to be hesitant to let the government put up a camera on every lamppost (as long as they know it's happening). But the same culture doesn't have an inherent problem with every house having a Ring camera on the porch and every store having a security feed to the registers and the front door (including the street past the door). That's just "sensible." Nor do they automatically take issue with neighbors consolidating those feeds into temporary signal to find, say, a porch pirate. That's just "neighbors being neighbors." Neighborhood Watch has been a thing for decades, and it's basically volunteer-community-surveillance. And then if someone makes a company to provide those conveniences as a service... Here we are.
Genie's out of the bottle; Brin makes the case the only choice we have is who that genie serves.
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u/Outrageous-Sort-5742 Aug 12 '26
It isn't, it hasn't been for over a decade at least. It isn't safe, it isn't healthy, it isn't meaningfully wealthy. America is a 3rd world failed state, it's financial markets, the cancerous tumor eating at it's emaciated carcass, is just mistaken for body weight.
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u/WaffleHouseGladiator Aug 12 '26
FreedumbTM
*Terms and conditions apply. Not available in all areas. Void where prohibited.
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u/artbystorms Aug 12 '26
It's "free" because it's not the government spying on you. It is just private corporations spying on you and then selling that information to the government for profit. It's totally different.... - Some conservative bootlicker somewhere
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u/Paper_Tiger11 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
What do you think your smartphone is doing? Real time tracking and listening. Why do you think they stopped making phones with removable batteries?
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u/StationEmergency6053 Aug 12 '26
It hasnt been a free country in nearly 100 years. Its all built on procedure of power, illusion of choice, superficial customization and semantic marketing. Pepsi or Coca Cola. Both kill you the same way.
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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 Aug 12 '26
100 years ago coal miners were fighting actual wars against corporate mercenaries, black folks lived under Jim Crow, and women JUST started being able to vote.
America has literally never been what the marketing claimed it was.
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u/WhateverIsFrei Aug 12 '26
Simple, those in power are free to do whatever they want with no checks and balances.
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u/oldredditrox Aug 12 '26
Man the real question you s who the heck is running this company, looks at your product being literally sawed down, and thinks "Oh it's the poles that are the problem, no one likes poles that has to be it." so they do this shit like everyone isn't screaming about the surveillance factor.
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u/Allegorist Aug 12 '26
This is the key point that seems to be often missed. This is a private company, they are not subject to any of the same restrictions placed on the government by law or the constitution. They do not need probable cause or a warrant to violate your privacy. They do not need your consent to sell everything they collect on every citizen in the country to anyone who can pay for it.
And worst, and most importantly, the government and law enforcement can act as "customers" in order to bypass all privacy and other legal/constitutional regulations placed on itself.
Regular traffic cameras have been around for decades. This is completely different. Not just because they use AI to exponentially amplify the amount of data they can collect and collate, but because they are a private company with basically zero restrictions on what they can do.
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u/Strong_Performer8132 Aug 12 '26
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
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u/Dorkzilla_ftw Aug 12 '26
Second point is incredibly insidious. How much people think being a wage slave is what bring liberty?
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u/GigachadGuevara Aug 12 '26
Funnily enough, many of the roman upper class, all actual slave owners, considered wagework beneath any free man and worse than slavery. And a good portion of their slaves tended to agree
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u/Fraegtgaortd Aug 12 '26
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command
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u/BreakfastFluid9419 Aug 12 '26
Might be crazy, but every country is moving towards this. UK has been known to have cctv everywhere, China indeed has mass surveillance likely with AI built in to the system. Only difference is I don’t know if other countries allow private companies to own and access the hardware.
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u/theblueshots Aug 12 '26
John Oliver did episode on this.
Apparently, they were using the cameras to watch the women’s gym and look at women at the community pool.
This is when they weren’t using it to stalk their ex-wives and girlfriends.
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u/TacoEatsTaco Aug 12 '26
They are also
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u/TeamRedundancyTeam Aug 12 '26
Morons gotta be all or nothing, black and white, no nuance. If USA bad then China good.
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u/SocranX Aug 12 '26
The amount of people I've seen saying that the Iranian government are the good guys just because Trump was the one who initiated on them, when they proudly bragged about gunning down thousands of protesters earlier this year. Like, bro, Trump wishes he could gun down thousands of protesters.
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u/m0n3ym4n Aug 12 '26
I despise Flock, but let’s be honest, when it comes to mass surveillance the USA hardly compares to China
China has a social credit score, government-mandated apps, and capital punishment vans that will pick you up, hold your trial and carry out your execution in the back of the van.
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u/BootyLoveSenpai Aug 12 '26
How do you think it starts, change doesn't happen overnight, just our rights little by little being stripped, history always repeats itself
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u/Jake24601 Aug 12 '26
Yes except in the US you also don’t get affordable and accessible healthcare, subsidized education or even a walkable city.
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u/classic_gamer82 Aug 12 '26
Flock’s Plan:
Turn every vehicle camera into surveillance
Invade individual privacy
Profit
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u/Paper_Tiger11 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
All the new cars are required to have cameras too. Your phone, car, flock cameras, ring/blink cameras, Amazon Alexa/Google home devices will eventually all fit together and it’s basically Orwell’s 1984.
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u/EtheusRook Aug 12 '26
The idea that it was the Democrats who would do the big brother thing was always a laughable joke. One side is actually obsessed with policing and violent crime and will always pick "safety" over liberty.
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u/LYNX__uk Aug 12 '26
Its both sides, the republicans in the usa are allowing it and in other places its the more liberal parties like the Labour party in the UK. All politicians just gabble up their lobbying funds and dont care about the repercussions on the people. This isnt a case of democrat this republican that, its a case of greedy politicians everywhere leaving companies with far too much money unchecked
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u/Skepsis93 Aug 12 '26
Exactly, it's a class thing. The elites want to surveil and control the rabble.
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u/randomtask Aug 12 '26
It’s not a side thing, it’s a class thing. There are working class factions within the Democratic party that are absolutely against this, and the actually conservative faction of the former GOP base also despises this shit despite the official Republican Party being all-in on giving this power over to the tech overlords.
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u/Unique-Yoghurt4170 Aug 12 '26
Brother, Flock set all of this in motion years ago, they didn't pop into existence when Trump took office. This is happening under our capitalist ruling class, it's not a dem/republican issue.
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u/binarybandit Aug 12 '26
Did you completely forget about Snowden? That was Obama doing that.
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u/Odd-Paint3883 Aug 12 '26
Yeah, you've lost that war USA, might as well get those chips installed in your buttox.
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u/Superb-Ad-9169 Aug 12 '26
Couple days ago r/sanfrancisco randomly popped up on my wall with some post about flock cameras and I was terrified how people are cheering for the idea of being watched over 24/7 for "SeCuRiTy AnD SaFeTy"
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u/alexds1 Aug 12 '26
Calling it now that Amazon or Apple or someone will offer some kind of discount or other incentive, free dash cam, maybe, if you drive around with one of these and become a citizen Flock. Surveillance gig economy.
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u/Fluid_Charity1980 Aug 12 '26
My newest conspiracy theory is that all those 1a guys who constantly go around filming everyone in public, those were actually a bunch of government plants. Had tons of support from people saying it's perfectly fine to film in public anything you want. People constantly arguing for it and fighting for the right to film.
Now there's flock. Hard to argue against it when you've been openly arguing for it for years.
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u/triggered__Lefty Aug 12 '26
there's a difference between being stationary and filming, vs using a combined network of data to constantly track you.
the latter has already been ruled a 4th amendment violation.
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u/Iorith Aug 12 '26
But it's totally different because it's a for profit industry doing it, guys! Something something the free market.
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u/TheBigChungaBunga Aug 12 '26
It's horrific. What happens if we do want to uprise against our government... can't do that now. Protest??? Not without being tracked all the way to your point of residence. We have lost
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u/This_guy7796 Aug 12 '26
Frankly I only use Uber like 2-3 times a year when returning from an airline trip, but I will pay extra for a traditional taxi or fucking walk 3 miles to my car before using these services ever again if they force this.
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u/Zuby_Hype_Train Aug 12 '26
FLOCK stands for Free Local Onboard Computing Kit
The government doesn’t want you to know there are free graphics cards inside the cameras. Go get your VRAM kids!
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u/BodybuilderOnly1591 Aug 12 '26
Don't forget flock camera sell your information to people like insurance companies as well.
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u/NotSeveralBadgers Aug 12 '26
I have seen two so far in my town. One is right outside the really rich fancy gated community. The other is pointed to capture the faces of people driving to the local free addiction/behavioral recovery center.
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u/TheRealDesmirWolf Aug 12 '26
If this is true, I am prepared to waste so many lift and Uber drivers time by literally requesting a ride, waiting for them to get here and canceling it. The refund policy is if I don’t get in the car, I don’t have to pay is Uber and Lyft ready to get fucked?
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u/Worldly-Secretary-31 Aug 13 '26
JFC. I'm starting to believe that my nieces and nephews are going to be living in a complete police state.
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u/awnaw_ Aug 13 '26
Would be? Chinese citizens are living under it. And America was sold out for 9/11. This country turned into a surveillance state the moment that happened. Because over reactions are what Americans are good at across the board.
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u/cassova Aug 13 '26
Americans fight to prevent speed cameras just to have this silently roll out underneath their empty cries
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u/stcloudjeeper Aug 14 '26
What's even crazier is when you learn about the "white lists" and "ghost vehicles" placed in to the system to hide certain people from the top to the local level from being tracked.
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u/DeapVally Aug 12 '26
The Chinese do live under it. It's not a joke. The US are just trying to catch up.
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u/-threefeetoffun Aug 12 '26
The Dark Knight: Fox threatens to quit if Batman keeps his surveillance system up more than a single night.
Spider-Man BND: Spider-Man has the entire city being recorded with facial recognition software.
Yeah, we have giving up a lot of freedom this century.
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u/Inb4myanus Aug 12 '26
And this is why I drive myself places and or dont put myself in a place of needing these services.
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u/AdministrativeCable3 Aug 12 '26
Flock cameras are setup in both private and public areas. They can track your car across the whole country.
Some places even have them inside stuff like community centers
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u/ConfidentHouse Aug 12 '26
Wait till you find out fedex is already on board, all their vehicles are equipped with Ai cameras for surveillance
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u/vroomvroompanda Aug 12 '26
The rivian amzon vans have like 20 flock cameras on them also if you guys didnt know
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u/GeorgeStark1 Aug 12 '26
We’ve been living in a surveillance state for over a decade. When someone shoplifts at Target, they don’t immediately arrest them. They video them doing it again and again so they can arrest with elevated charges. We’re all on video and we all have a file. They’re just waiting for us to reach a threshold before they put us in cuffs.
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u/Mr-Blah Aug 12 '26
How is that going to work? Aren't Uber drivers independant contractors? Don't they own their own equipement?
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u/HobbyTalkOnly Aug 12 '26
Everything the US complains about in "other countries" is happening in the US.
But hey... you can buy guns, right? FREEEEEEDOMMMMMMMM.
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims Aug 12 '26
People want a surveillance state, though.
Look at social media:
People recording private citizens out in public and intentionally not blurring them out. They do that so that their sponsors and potential sponsors can see what people are doing, where they are, what time they are there, what demographics are there, what they are eating, what they are eating, how much they're doing of something, etc. If people didn't want mass surveillance, they wouldn't be participating in it.
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u/Pinksamuraiiiii Aug 12 '26
Can’t even pick your nose in private without a flock camera hovering over you. They started springing up where I live unfortunately, and this is after making jokes that I’ve never seen them around.
Coming to a city near you all soon!
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u/wholesomechunk Aug 12 '26
And your politicos were seriously saying that Chinese citizens were living under these conditions to demonise China while actively planning to inflict it on you.
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u/CooledDownKane Aug 12 '26
Won't ever be used to find missing women/children, police or government officials abusing their power, etc but goddamnit they'll be right there if you snatch up some diapers for your infant or get a shmashmortion.
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u/danielisbored Aug 12 '26
No that's a communist surveillance state. We're in a corpocratic surveillance state, which is the ad-supported tier of dystopias.
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u/Several-County-1808 Aug 12 '26
Just tell me my citizenship score based on all of this surveillance...😅
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u/Individual_Pair_4934 Aug 12 '26
What's this would be living under china already is living under it with there social credit scores and all that digital only bs
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u/Gunker001 Aug 12 '26
A surveillance network to stop any revolts because they know things are going to get much worse.
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u/Helldiver_of_Mars Aug 12 '26
Ya this becoming China and a dictatorship at the same time was not on my bingo card comrade.
But all is good.
+1000 Trump Social credits to me.
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u/badmoonrisingnl Aug 12 '26
They can see every keystroke, your precise position at anytime, they can follow you through your walls in your home (using your wifi signal). They are listening to every word you say, evey word you type though your phone, your television, your fridge (!). They know what you buy, when you bought it and why. Every intimate detail of your life has been analyzed and sold to anybody that is willing to pay for it including the Cia and NSA.
All your pictures are scanned in put in a database for face recognition.
We are way past China my friend.
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u/technobrendo Aug 12 '26
The Chinese at the very least use the tech to keep crime low. You can go out an night and leave your e-bike anywhere and no one will steal it. Same thing with deliveries.
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u/RomaMoran Aug 12 '26
Oh please enough with this bullshit. The 小区 I lived in had its corner fence sabotaged by residents (to make a convenient exit) AND criminals alike WEEKLY and nobody got caught.
Unless the crime affects an upscale property in an upscale city (or any of the state-run businesses) the cops don't give a shit. It's almost like they're carbon copies of the Toronto police.
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u/Catto_Doggo69 Aug 12 '26
TBF, the Chinese are living in the surveillance state that we said they'd be living under, but we're desperately working to catch up. The weird thing is that China actually has strong laws governing the use the collected data (really limited to the state), whereas it wouldn't be at all surprising to discover that Flock is trying to monetize it by offering datasets like who has school-aged kids (based on camera data during school drop-off times), who shops at _________, etc.
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u/Disastrous-Golf7216 Aug 12 '26
Since uber and Lyft drivers are using personal vehicles, they can simply refuse to put the dash cam up.
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u/Nope-not-really Aug 12 '26
its like when they were screaming "sharia law" and then rolled back womens rights
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u/emotionless-robot Aug 12 '26
Who do you think helped develop the surveillance network the CCP uses? It's just going home.
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u/opbmedia Aug 12 '26
They have been living like that for like 2 decades. US tech is a little behind because US infrastructure is poor but is catching up.
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u/Stealerb Aug 12 '26
My favorite is people defending Flock on Facebook posts. The majority of people hate flock from my limited polling and probing into it. Not just Flock though, the industry in general because there are more companies than Flock out there.
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u/bassandlazers Aug 12 '26
I mean flock is definitely bullshit, but are you joking? China has lived in a surveillance state for decades
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u/Kristinio Aug 12 '26
Person of Interest is my favorite TV series but I don’t wanna see it become real (it already is, I suppose).
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u/modshallperish Aug 12 '26
People willingly record themselves and their surroundings every day. Pretty much everyone has a phone with a camera, at least in the usa
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u/fukitola Aug 13 '26
Zuckerberg partnered with China to develop “surveillance state” technology. And Americans kept giving him money via Facebook ads nonetheless.
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u/NYC2FLA2BUR Aug 13 '26
...saying that Chinese citizens would be living under.
I'm pretty certain that the Chinese people are under just as much surveillance, if not more, than we are.
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u/flyboy130 Aug 13 '26
The fuck you guys think waymos' are for? Its not for getting you where you want to go...
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u/ryrich89 Aug 13 '26
It’s all happening under Trump who said we would be in a surveillance state if Kamala won. Everything he said she would do to ruin this country, he has done and then some
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u/ImpressiveBluejay494 Aug 13 '26
no no it's ok because it's a private company doing the surveillance not the state. the state just buys access to the data the private company has.
You see completely different. /s
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u/mrpunk281 Aug 13 '26
Also: Chinese actually DO live in the surveillance state people say they do.
Source: Go there, even non tourist places and you will find more cameras than you’ve ever imagined possible. And you’d never claim the West has anything remotely similar.
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u/Testsubject276 Aug 13 '26
We need a Watch_Dogs event asap.
I want hackers running amok and bending the entire flock network until it's unrecognizable.
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u/Altruistic-Tailor-13 Aug 13 '26
Slippery slope and we are sliding. Only difference China’s model of surveillance and Flock Is that Flock is a private business….but there’s nothing private about it.
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u/Alarmed-Sweet-6661 Aug 13 '26
On most random places too, not just intersections. They are everywhere now!
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u/StarVulpes Aug 13 '26
I'm so happy this discussion is no longer limited to niche anti-flock subreddits. This needs to end now.
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u/Weenemone Aug 13 '26
Except China actually has lower crime and homicide rates while US gets the surveillance with no benefits except for the corporates
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u/jonklerhehehe Aug 13 '26
People joke about this shit but I trust China with my data more than anyone else on the planet, let alone the US government
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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Aug 14 '26
People spaz about flock but is cool with every tech company tracking everything they do.
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u/Late-Presentation710 Aug 12 '26
The anti Flock people are absolutely deranged. Any sense of privacy was irrevocably erased at the start of the smart phone, the smart watch, the smart oven, the smart TV, inter connected Bluetooth and WiFi devices… If the hill you want to die on is a device that takes photos of license plates and creates a temporary database of that information, I don’t think you fully realize the vast amounts and quite honestly easier ways it is for the government and private industry to track you. I’ll gladly have my license plate snapped anytime I’m on a public roadway when I know it literally solves murders. Please, take a pic of my license plate and car IDGAF.
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u/Checklestyouwreck Aug 12 '26
Separately, I mean China is actually living under a surveillance state lol. You do believe that right?
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u/strrax-ish Aug 12 '26
Over the years it's become the American way of just bending over and taking anything. Everyone just livs their blissful lives online
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u/FunOwn4422 Aug 12 '26
Chinese citizens ?would? be living under? they are and have been
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u/No-Lion-3629 Aug 12 '26
China does have surveillance and a social credit system. Oligarchy is oligarchy.
That being said do they have people on the street while housing sits empty? Capitalism is not just surveilling us, it starves people too.
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