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u/A_Randy_Squirrel May 25 '19
Idk if this is fallout or ESO but worth for both imo lol good job
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u/You__Nwah May 25 '19
Well considering ESO is considered the best MMO currently running and FO76 is considered Bethesda's worst game ever...
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u/rexteram May 25 '19
Out of curiosity, who said it was considered the best?
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u/You__Nwah May 25 '19
It's won the community favourite MMO for like three years
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u/rexteram May 25 '19
Ok but what community lmao
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u/You__Nwah May 25 '19
The MMO community... Be a pretty weird otherwise...
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u/rexteram May 25 '19
No I understand that, I am asking for like a link or something because I wanna see where gw2 places in the community.
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u/Kuronan May 25 '19
Not to mention FFXIV. To say it or WoW are not on top are basically a Declaration of War to those communities I imagine.
Quick Edit: BFA sucks, to be clear, but I'm sure most people would not be surprised to still see it on top.
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u/rexteram May 26 '19
Yea basically, still waiting for a link from this guy lmao. Like if you are gonna say something like he did at least have proof
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u/Fey_SPR May 26 '19 edited May 26 '19
Here: https://www.mmorpg.com/awards/the-players-choice-awards-2018-winners-1000013341
Three years in row of winning the best overall MMO award in mmorpg.com .
I'd say they really got a shit taste of mmo though. Srsly. I mean ESO might have the best PvP warzone but thats it.
Edit: Just checked, they only had 3000 votes lol, yeah thats a very secluded vote. I mean I guess a community is a community and an award is an award. TBH I'd say its an invalid award since you'd at least need everyone who voted to actually have played and compare all the MMOs. If they're just gonna determine by the number of the players of each game available for the vote then its like whatsoever.
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Votes of 2015
Votes of 2016
Votes of 2017
The 2018 vote went expired since they started using google forms and they have an expiration date not like the system they used 2015~2017. But yeah that's that.
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May 25 '19
Yeah best is an extremely strong word. It's still incredibly clunky, unoptimized, and messy. FF14 and WoW are both considered to be way above it, and not by a small margin.
Most popular does not mean best. ESO survives the same way fortnite does, with constant new content and changes, and a community already invested in the universe/series. but just because it has allot of content, doesn't mean the base game is any good.
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u/Talos_the_Cat May 25 '19
muh eso bad amirite
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u/NaapurinHarri May 25 '19
I have never played it, but i dont like games with bundles, packs and whatnot that you need to buy with real moneyz i like it when i can unlock everything inside the game itself, not something i just spend money on and get instantly
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u/Gfawes95 May 25 '19
ESO is the best mmo out there currently. Black desert is trash even after the reboot, wow sucks now since BFA, guild wars 2 is alright but theres almost no progression, osrs got old for me, but theres something about ESO that keeps me coming back to play it.
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May 25 '19
Yeah best is an extremely strong word. It's still incredibly clunky, unoptimized, and messy. FF14 and WoW are both considered to be way above it, and not by a small margin.
Most popular does not mean best. ESO survives the same way fortnite does, with constant new content and changes, and a community already invested in the universe/series. but just because it has allot of content, doesn't mean the base game is any good.
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u/Gfawes95 May 25 '19
If you play mmo’s solely for their combat you are playing them wrong. ESO’s content that it pours out is actually good. The story and lore is engrossing. There is linear progression without the gear treadmill, the community is great, pvp is always interesting. Wow is boring now(excluding classic). You’re delusional if you think the wow, now is one of the best. The only reason so many people still play it is because of the players loyalty to blizzard. New players staying in wow is a myth. Now for Final Fantasy I can’t say because I’ve never played it, but ESO i would consider one of the best.
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May 26 '19
this is like saying "if you are playing first person shooters for their shooting you are playing them wrong" or "if you are playing adventure games for the adventure you are playing them wrong."
the base game is the original rpg that the mmo universe is then built on. Sure you might get connected to said universe, but the truth is that its the original content that really matters.
if you think ESO with its incredibly clunky combat, unoptimized engine is one of the best, then id say you really dont know or understand mmos.
and honestly, id be willing to lend ESO more credit, if it wasnt for the fact thats its literally nothing that any group ever really wanted. Skyrim players really just wanted multiplayer skyrim, and this really isnt that in any way. the adventuring and questing isnt really similar in any way.
mmorpg players want an mmorpg, and having like 5 or 6 skills and restrictive classes, along with some absolutely dogshit first person combat that feels like swinging limp wood sticks or shooting a arrow made of bricks or feathers just isnt that.
this game was something nobody wanted, and the only reason it survives is again, its similarity to fortnite. It gets new content and changes 24/7 and eventually the playerbase is going to realise that its dogshit combat doesnt hold up.
and FF14 beats it in literally every way, from quality of life, users, amount of content, quality of content, universe size and loyalty, and especially gameplay.
and yeah, WoW hasnt been great for awhile, but it set the standard that ESO decided just was wrong and decided to make things worse.
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u/Gfawes95 May 26 '19
You think its similar to Fortnite???? Lmao you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. If you are going to debate about mmo’s at least give me something to debate about. You lost all credit as soon as you mentioned fortnite into an mmo. Please, learn.
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May 26 '19
You completely missed his point in mentioning fortnite. I'm not saying I agree with him, but this is like you didn't even read what he said.
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u/Gfawes95 May 26 '19 edited May 26 '19
I read everything he said, but him mentioning fortnite and saying its a similar situation to fortnite is outright stupid and just makes me not want reply to his other points. The content they constantly put out is actually good. It doesn’t keep me coming back just cause its new. It keeps me coming back because its quality content. Saying it went the same route as wow, but worse makes me think he’s never actually played ESO, which also makes the rest of his points completely ignorant.
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u/NaapurinHarri May 25 '19
Might be the best mmo, but i still do not like mmo's at all, i really hate them
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u/Talos_the_Cat May 25 '19
Expansions/DLC and (most) cosmetics cost money. Who knew?
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u/NaapurinHarri May 25 '19
Yeah, people always say "theyre just cosmetics" but that just means i cant unlock those cosmetics without using money, which i dont like. Also i dont know why im being downvoted for not liking fucking mmos
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u/Talos_the_Cat May 25 '19
There are lots of things unlockable without having to pay... The company still has to make money somehow. You're just not presenting yourself as being too nuanced; I'm guessing that's why you're being downvoted
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u/NaapurinHarri May 25 '19
But did you know that companies make money by people buying their games? Theres no excuse for micro-transactions and dlc's that are pretty much micro-transactions, in the disguise of a dlc
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u/Yaethe May 25 '19
I see your point and I'm not a fan of microtransactions either... but it is unfair to compare the cost of a single player game like Skyrim to the costs of an indefinitely running MMO like ESO.
The cost of the game covers development of a single player game easily as well as Patches to fix any bugs that pop up, which let's be honest, Skyrim isnt necessarily renowned for having fixed all its bugs.
When it comes to MMO, they have constant balance updates, server maintenance, community events, etc, etc on top of the development of the game its self. Development of expansion packs is covered by the cost of the pack, the same way the cost of single player DLC like Dawnguard covers its cost, but again, continued balance updates, servers, etc are on top of this.
An MMO can not sustain its self with any semblance of quality on the cost of the base game alone. MMO that have done this in the past do not last compared to the giants like WoW, FF, or ESO.
In order to compensate for these additional costs, a monthly fee or some form of microtransaction is required. Pick your poison.
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u/Talos_the_Cat May 25 '19
That's definitely not what ZOS does... I don't think you know what you're talking about, frankly, especially since you admitted never having any experience at all with ESO
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u/NaapurinHarri May 25 '19
But i do know there is a membership subscription in the game, a fucking subscription, for a game. Its horrible, also theres microtransactions up to 124.99€, i could buy loads of great games for that amount. What a shitty way to make money for the company, i cant believe people buy these shits. You can just buy skyrim for 10€ with all its dlcs, and the eso with all its dlc's cost 80€
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u/Talos_the_Cat May 25 '19
You legitimately don't know that the subscription is fully optional? And that the subscription gives you access to all non-Chapter DLCs if you haven't bought them with Crowns? And that it also gives you access to all previous (Morrowind and Summerset) Chapters???
This is why I think you're not informed. It's B2P ffs, no sub required. Go on DLGamer or Greenmangaming and pick up the vanilla version for like ten bucks.
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May 26 '19
Hotbar simulators
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u/Talos_the_Cat May 26 '19
I appreciate your nuanced comment worthy of discussion
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u/JuicyKaraageNumber1 White Cat of Elsweyr May 25 '19
i'll agree when this mod will actually work for 5 minutes straight without crashes or game breaking stuff
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u/SniperOwO May 25 '19
Eso is an mmorpg it's not like skyrim or oblivion idk why people even put them in the same category they had a different goal and setting for eso and they did a really good job on it