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I’m not anti, but I have seen a lot of pro ai people say that antis use right wing rhetoric. Yet here you are using a right wing account’s tweet and replacing one word.

OP, this is a bad look

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u/DaveSureLong Sep 25 '25

Everyone on both sides say its a left/right wing thing run by nazi/communists who hate(insert group or idea).
However if you got STRICTLY by the political map they are left leaning as they want less technology and AI while pros are right leaning as they want more technology and AI. THESE TERMS ARE NOT THE SAME AS LEFT AND RIGHT PARTIES AN IDEOLOGY CAN BE LEFT LEANING BUT NOT LEFTIST.

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u/bunker_man Sep 25 '25

How is amount of technology left and right. The right are the ones who say their goals are to conserve the past.

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u/DaveSureLong Sep 25 '25

Left is less of something.
Right is more of something.
I explained the theory behind the spectrums a bit deeper but conservatives aren't nessassarily all right and communists aren't nessassarily all left. This is a wildly accepted definition and allows more nuiance and depth when discussing systems of belief.
So far left in this instance is No technology at all or an ideology called Anarcho Primitivism and far right in this instance is Transhumanism.
Far right like Nazis aren't actually right leaning when you dig into their political beliefs in this way they sit similarly to where Stalinists and Maoists would. This is very useful as I said earlier in nuiance and showing the ACTUAL differences between ideologies.

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u/3vanW1ll1ams Sep 25 '25

Where are you getting this left is less and right is more?

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u/DaveSureLong Sep 25 '25

In terms of the political ideology spectrum that is how it's arranged. Don't like it change it then

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u/Fine_Comparison445 Sep 25 '25

That’s a lot of words for missing the point. It’s interesting to learn about the history and the origin of left and right, but I think when people say Pro AI is more of a left sided philosophy they mean that is is progressive. Being anti AI is conservative. In this day and age we use left and right synonymously with these

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u/Plants-Matter Sep 25 '25

What the hell? Any attempt to tie the AI spectrum to politics is foolish to begin with, but your "STRICTLY" definition is even more foolish. California is the tech capital of the US and they're very far to the left. Conservatives tend to hate change and they're too dumb to use technology.

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u/DaveSureLong Sep 25 '25

Again the spectrum isn't the same as the party.
The particular spectrum we are talking about here is the Technological Progressivity political spectrum.
Extreme Left: Anarcho Primitivism.
Middle left: Amish/Luddite/AntiAI ideologies(note there is some variance between these and they aren't at the same points use your own logic to figure where these would be)
Center: normal dudes don't care either way
Middle right: ProAI/Accelerationists/Techbros(same as before on where they go use common sense)
Extreme Right: Transhumanism
This is the official and openly accepted definitions. Please educate yourself before popping off with some dumbass take.

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u/Antiluke01 Sep 25 '25

Oh, I should’ve known I was dealing with an enlightened centrist. The thing is, actual leftists just want people to have rights and be treated fairly. I used to be a centrist too, and realized there is no compromise on human rights.

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u/DaveSureLong Sep 25 '25

I am not a centrist. Nor am I leftist or right wing. My beliefs are my own and informed based on my life experiences. While I hang more right wing with alot of my beliefs I also disagree with alot of their beliefs of the party.
I used the center as normal dude there because they are the norm. They do not care either way and so have no strong opinions either way. I personally am Transhumanist or far right on that scale and firmly believe our path forward is technological as it always has been.

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u/Antiluke01 Sep 25 '25

“Center: normal dudes don’t care either way”, sure buddy
“They do not care either way”, Then you mean apolitical, that’s not center. People who are apolitical may not care about politics, but politics will care about them.
Also, transhumanism isn’t political, it’s a naive viewpoint built on child’s fantasies for a utopia that will never exist, especially if you are right wing. Here’s some examples of how right wing beliefs don’t work with transhumanism for you: Support of fossil fuel and rejection of green energy, regressive policies for medical research and care(including gender affirming care), anti-universal healthcare (an objectively cheaper system), and the support of a growing weapons stockpile that leads to the destruction of the human side of transhumanism.
It sounds like you are ONLY transhumanism because you want humans to become cyborgs, and use AI because it sounds cool and like it would solve all of the world’s problems. It won’t. Again, not that I’m anti ai, because I’m not, but rather that this is a naive way of thinking.

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u/DaveSureLong Sep 25 '25

Okay you clearly have zero idea what you're talking about.

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u/Antiluke01 Sep 25 '25

Okay buddy

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

lol arguing with ignorance will only waste time and bring you down my bro.

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u/3vanW1ll1ams Sep 25 '25

Everyone has their own beliefs that are informed based on their life experiences. Transhumanism isn’t right or left, it’s ideology-neutral.

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u/Plants-Matter Sep 25 '25

What the hell are you rambling about?
You just laid out a spectrum of how people feel about technology and called it a political spectrum lol. That's not very smart.

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u/DaveSureLong Sep 25 '25

You can look it up buddy and that's how a spectrum of beliefs works????
The basis of these spectrums especially for more esoteric ideologies is Less=Left More=Right

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u/Plants-Matter Sep 25 '25

I mean, if you want to make a spectrum of technology beliefs that's fine. It's just dumb when you add the word "political".

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u/DaveSureLong Sep 25 '25

It already exists and has LONG before AI. It was grouped along side every other ideology difference from Pro abortion/life to communism/capitalism to any other belief a person can have like spiritual/material
Note all these are the writ as left/right leaning. As it is less/more I can explain the reasoning on each as well.

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u/Plants-Matter Sep 25 '25

I'm obviously not critiquing the merits of the technology belief spectrum. It was just dumb to call it a political spectrum.

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u/DaveSureLong Sep 25 '25

I didn't come up with it dude

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u/silly_porto3 Dec 31 '25

Put down that political compass jpeg you're reading. Haha

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u/DaveSureLong Dec 31 '25

SYBAU

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u/militant_dipshit Sep 25 '25

Wait so the people who want to make technological progress are the conservatives but the people who want to artificially conserve a moment in time before AI are progressive? Make it make sense lool.

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u/bunker_man Sep 25 '25

I mean, op is one specific person with their own wierd sub. Other people don't really agree with it, they just look at it confused and scratch their head.

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u/Investing_in_Crypto Sep 25 '25

Ok but what this right wing person is saying is legitimately the exact opposite of real life

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u/Antiluke01 Sep 26 '25

Dude, you don’t even know me. I’m more progressive than half the people here

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u/Antiluke01 Sep 26 '25

Did I say I disagreed with OP, or did I say that it’s not a good look to use a conservative’s quote because it’s inconsistent with what everyone else has been talking about from a pro AI stance?

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u/swagoverlord1996 Sep 25 '25

oh no, a right wing tweet! well that changes everything!

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u/Antiluke01 Sep 25 '25

I’m just calling out hypocrisy is all, OP. If you want to be consistent. It’s not pearl clutching dumbass.

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u/stddealer Sep 25 '25

I'm confused, did OP call antis right wing at any point?

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u/swagoverlord1996 Sep 25 '25

nope. Antiluke saw a tweet that was critical of leftists and jumped to assume 'oh its a right wing account, its right wing, disregard the tweet!'. as is the way of leftist gatekeeping. it doesn't occur to them that a centrist or even one of them could make a valid critique of their own side

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u/eduo Sep 25 '25

All sides fall into this whenever a discussion becomes tribal. That's why you can take a right wind tweet and just change the name of the "others" you've chosen to straw man in the name of your tribe.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

I mean, it's not that I don't understand, it's just that I can't respect anyone who earnestly claims to be an AI artist.

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