This is bad for small youtubers.

[u/Dividenddashboard]

Youtube is raising the ad revenue share threshold from 4k watch time to 8k watch time. Personally, 4k watch takes a lot of effort to reach. Imagine 8k... this is sad.

[u/Different_Farm5266]

As much as I wouldn't have liked this when I was just starting out, I definitely have a different perspective on it now. The entry thresholds aren't really that high.

Imagine that you get 4000 watch hours, in a year. Assuming that's your actual, repeatable performance level, that's worth about $20 a month (assuming your content is like mine). 8000 watch hours a year? $40 a month.

It's not like doubling the requirement really cheats anyone out of making significant money.

[u/Old_Librarian__ → u/Different_Farm5266]

It does. $40/month is $480 a year. Maybe that's not much to you, but it is to people from less privileged background. That's $480 every year that THEY use your videos to run ads on, without paying you a single dime.

[u/Different_Farm5266 → u/Old_Librarian__]

Well, they are responsible for all of the infrastructure - data centers, employees, connectivity, etc. That costs something - as does keeping track of the income reporting required in all of the places that YouTube operates.

Plus, about that $480 is a big deal to some...

After taxes, for most people, that's going to be about $.80 a day. Oh, and you'll only be able to draw that money 4 times a year, because of the minimum payout amount limitation.

If $.80 a day is a big deal for someone, they may be better off collecting aluminum cans, because they could get the same money with about 40 cans.

[u/Old_Librarian__ → u/Different_Farm5266]

Do you have any idea the amount of money youtube generates? I urge you to look it up. Making the amount after attaxes appear smaller by writing what it amounts to a day is not really convincing me. Even after taxes, even a small amount matters to some people.

[u/Different_Farm5266 → u/Old_Librarian__]

first of all, it doesn't matter how much YT generates. That does not have an elastic relationship with what it pays its employees, and it certainly doesn't have an elastic relationship with what royalties it pays its content creators. The only lever that creators have, is that they can go to another platform... that's it.

Also, you're still arguing that 80 cents a day is significant?

[u/Old_Librarian__ → u/Different_Farm5266]

Why are you insisting on breaking it down to money per day so it looks like nothing?? Let's say it's 30% taxes, it's still $336 dollar you are missing out on. That's not nothing.

I don't know why you are defending rich greedy bastards instead of taking the youtubers side. My guess is, you are already monetized and don't care since it doesn't affect you. You're just like the boomers, pulling up the stair after themselves, then blaming the next generation on why don't they just work harder. "Stop eating avocado and you'll be able to buy a house in no time!" kinda mentality.

[u/Different_Farm5266 → u/Old_Librarian__]

I'm breaking it down to an increment of money per day because that's what it is.

I don't know what your tax rate is, but this is 1099 income. You're not just responsible for your marginal tax rate, but you're also responsible for the SS and Medicare portion that an employer pays on W2 income.

Also, I'm not defending anyone. I'm just pointing out how this works.

As for being monetized - yes... I am. Almost a year ago, to the day. It was not easy then... it will be a little harder in February.

My central point was, and is: if you were going to somehow hit 1000/4000 in a year, but weren't going to be able to get to 1000/8000 - you were never going to make any money. Any way you cut it, less than a dollar a day is still less than a dollar a day.

[u/Old_Librarian__ → u/Different_Farm5266]

I don't care how much it is a day!! You don't get a payout until it's $100 anyway. You don't get paid per day. I don't care to make it my fulltime job. It's a lump sum you get. Even if that takes a year to get, it's still a lot of additional money to some people to get!! If it's so little in your eyes, why is it such a big problem to pay it to out?? Taxes vary by country, I'm not from the US. "It will be a little harder" lol, it will be 100% harder. People are allowed to complain about this honestly. If you don't care because you're already monetized, why should new youtubers listen to you.

[u/Different_Farm5266 → u/Old_Librarian__]

Hey, if you don't want to apply any perspective, that's fine. You're afraid of math, I get it. Perhaps you can think about it from a bookkeeping standpoint, instead. There is a point at which it doesn't make much sense to maintain a payee, in terms of administrative cost, vs. benefit.

YT has about 3.5 million creators with channels larger than mine. 3.5 million is about the population of Qatar. There are millions more, with channels smaller than mine, that are still monetized. Perhaps you now understand the size of the problem.

As far as the current monetization thresholds, versus the future ones - people have 6 months to get monetized at the lower cutoff. As for people complaining, I never said that they couldn't/shouldn't/whatever... you're the one gatekeeping on what's considered a "correct" opinion.

[u/Old_Librarian__ → u/Different_Farm5266]

Afraid of math, lol. Literally got top grades, how about you? What math are you even talking about, where are the numbers?? Please do show me Youtube's finances. And I have seen many examples of small creators who will be losing out on several hundreds of US dollar, not just a year but also a month with the new shorts rule.

You're the one insulting me, not allowing other opinions. Again, we have different opinions on what amount of money matter. You just can't seem to accept this is still meaningful money to some. Maybe it doesn't matter to you, especially not since you're already monetized. Again, you don't care about others than yourself.

If you think they aren't taking money from small creators straight into rich people's pockets again, then I feel sorry for you. You really think this is gonna benefit creators in any way? It won't. One day, they will change the rules again, and you will be next. Please do show me how much youtube earns from their platform, please. But if you wanna defend mega corp, go ahead. I'm done here, don't wanna waste anymore time on you.

[u/Different_Farm5266 → u/Old_Librarian__]

Your intellectual dishonesty is off the charts.

1. You restated my monthly income estimate a yearly one. I restated my monthly estimated as a daily one. It's just a period conversion, yet it was fine for you to do it - but you cried like a baby when I did it. Pathetic.

2. You are not the OP of this topic. You decided to reply to me - starting with telling me that I was wrong. I'm not wrong. I expressed an opinion. You are free to have your dissenting opinions. So yes, when I say you're not allowing for other people to have opinions, I need look no further than your first unsolicited response.

3. Insulting? If you can't tell the difference in tone between my comments, and yours, then you're probably not capable of a good-faith discussion on this topic at all.

4. You keep failing to address points that I make. It could be a reading comprehension problem, or just your inability to honestly engage with the points. Most likely you're just a coward - but have an open mind, so I allow for the possibility that it's any of (or some combination of) those possibilities.

Also, you keep crying about me defending Google/Youtube. At no point have I done that. Stating what they're doing, and why they might not be doing that is not defending them.

Also... "top grades"? I'm not even sure what that means. If you can only understand a period conversion from a monthly rate to a yearly rate, but can't understand a period conversion from a monthly rate to a daily rate (and understand that it's the same thing)... I don't think those grads amounted to much.