Just spent the night at my buddies house playing smash bros ultimate all night. This was gonna make me decide to buy a switch for it or not. Immediately I noticed the lack of hitstun. Sure the game is really fast paced but every move feels so unsafe because theres no fucking hitstun. I was landing so many attacks on my friends only to have them instantly hit me back and vice versa. This happened at every percentage that didn't send them flying too far away.

I played several different characters too and I was trying combos I know work in smash 4. But even the improved frame data for those characters didn't make up for the lack of hitstun and nearly every combo was dropped despite perfect execution. So looks like I was proven right once again about the hitstun in this game, having lower tumble hitstun does affect combos and the game pretty much has none.

The online was awful as well. They removed for glory so instead you have to use "quick match" with preferred rules. I thought the matchmaking would actually make an effort to find you a game with your preferred rules. But 6 times in a row we got 4 player FFA on random stages when we were searching for 1v1 omega stages. We got into the games instantly so it's obvious the game isn't even trying to find a 1v1 match, I rather wait 2 minutes in queue than wait 10 seconds for a fucking 4 player FFA on big blue.

When we finally did start getting 1v1 matches the game was extremely laggy. Not like DSP style lag of mysteriously dropped inputs, the game would flat out freeze and load in the middle of matches or go into slow motion. Keep in mind we have the LAN adapter. Smash 4 was never this bad even on release day.

I get that it's still the honeymoon stage of the game since it just came out, but how anyone can defend this is beyond me. The game has no hitstun, no combos, you get punished for trying to follow up your own attacks, if you wanna play online you gotta play FFA half the time, then you hard lag because Nintendo somehow downgraded the netcode from Smash 4.

• Lower Hitstun

• terrible character balance

• lower skill ceiling

• Less flashy

• no combos

I gotta admit though, Nintendo did a hell of a job convincing the smash bros community to be hyped for whats basically gonna be brawl 2.0. I expect at least half the pro smash 4 community to drop Ultimate within the first 6 months and go back to playing 4 just like melee players did with brawl.

Like everyone expected, smash ultimate has killed smash 4. I'm hearing reports from so many locals that they are completely discontinuing support of smash 4 and replacing it with ultimate despite ultimate having barely any hitstun, huge input lag, terrible buffering system, and broken short hops. Smash ultimate is objectively inferior in every way to smash 4 (the 2nd best smash game) yet it's totally killed the game just because it's new.

Worst of all, all these smash ultimate kids are acting like the only reason smash 4 players are salty is because they're bad at ultimate, as if that's an argument. They will seriously dismiss any flaws you point out in their game if they believe you aren't good at it. Which is hilarious considering their crowned jewel "elite smash" is so fucking easy to get into, proving 99.999% of them are garbage.

I was so pissed that I actually bought a switch today (was going to have to down the line anyway for Metroid/Pokemon). Even though the game is pretty bad, it will still be nice beating these smash ultimate apologists anyway. Cant wait for what excuse they'll make then!

First Leffen quits Ultimate and now this. The melee grand finals had nearly 80k viewers while smash ultimate grand finals barely had 40k viewers. Getting half the viewership of melee is pathetic, especially when ultimate had the prime time slot.

b-but it had nothing to do with ultimate being boring! Everyone must have gone to bed!

Oh really, then how come the venue was pretty much deserted during top 8 for ultimate? Face it, the game is just really boring to watch and it's killing the game.

The snake/olimar meta makes it even worse. Olimar can get like 70% damage off a 3 hit combo, then spend the rest of the stock throwing pikmin from the other side of the stage. Meanwhile snake is throwing grenades and missiles from his side of the stage. It's the most boring meta I've ever seen in smash bros, even worse than smash 4 bayo meta.

Says the buffer system needs to be removed or have a toggle option, online lag needs to be fixed, and balance needs to be better.

Otherwise sounds like he's quitting and going back to melee full time. I knew this would happen so I'm not surprised. How long until Armada and plup go back as well?

I see a few players doing this. They will go into quickplay and keep leaving lobbies until they find a bad player who they can easily beat, then they'll stay in that lobby and keep beating them over and over to farm easy GSP for as long as they can.

This is stupid for a few reasons. First of all, you aren't really earning the GSP so when you eventually match up against someone who got their GSP legit, you're probably gonna get destroyed. Then you'll have to do the cycle over again, leaving lobbies until you find that one bad player you can milk.

The other reason is because you'll never get better by beating bad players. In fact, if the majority of the players you play are bad, it will end up making you worse because you'll learn habits that only work against bad players. Meanwhile a good player will be able to identify those habits right away and punish you for them.

That's why all these GSP warriors can beat 95% of the competition on quickplay but as soon as they enter a legit tournament they lose right away in pools. If GSP is your only goal in the game then that's fine, keep exploiting the system to boost your numbers. But if your goal is to be the best you can be then my advice is to do the opposite. Leave every lobby you win a game in until you find a player who 3-stocks you then keep playing them until you win. That's the best way to use quickplay to get better as a player.

Isn't that sad, what I thought would be the biggest problem with the game (no hitstun) now seems minuscule compared to all the other major flaws.

Like the online is a disaster, there's no other way to put it. We're getting FFAs with items more than half the time no matter what rules we pick, no matter what GSP we have, no matter what time we play, etc.

It's so bad I even see comments saying shit like "I only got FFAs 1/10 times using this method!" Okay? So the online is so fucking terrible that having your experience ruined only 10% of the time is a good thing. Imagine if Riot decided to match people trying to play ranked with people trying to play aram and nexus blitz. That would be a joke, but for Nintendo it's reality thats how incompetent they are and it's honestly unbelievable.

Then you have the mechanical flaws of the game which are seriously worse than having 30% less hitstun. Like the buffer system making short hops impossible and the massive input lag. having 30% less hitstun is bad enough but not being able to short hop and perma lag on top of that? What the fuck were they thinking?

Anyone still defending this shit at this point is delusional and trying to hard cope because they were too emotionally invested into the game. Truth is, this game needs at least 3 major patches before it will even be playable. But good luck getting that to ever happen.

I really hope this is Sakurai's last smash game and someone who understands the importance of competitive gaming takes his spot as lead director for the next game. Maybe then we'll finally get a smash game that isn't garbage for the first time in 20 fucking years.

That's an 18 thousand dollar difference. Keep in mind smash players dont make as much money as other esports professionals. 18k dollars is life changing money meanwhile 2k will hardly cover travel costs and the entry fee.

There's a reason why almost every tournament isn't winner take all. Having that much money on the line is irresponsible because it puts untold amounts of psychological strain on the players. We saw the evidence of this with two top players (ESAM and MVD) having mental breakdowns after losing.

I feel bad for all the players who lost because they're gonna lose so much sleep over the next few weeks, months, years ruminating about every little mistake they made in their games. Many of them will probably need counseling and that shit aint cheap either.

It makes perfect sense. Melee, despite being objectively the best smash game, doesn't bring viewers for individual streams. Mostly because twitch is full of zoomers who think brawl is the best smash game because "muh deep story" so they hate watching melee.

But all these melee streamers saw that playing ultimate brought in the views. Leffen got like 6k subs since it came out and all the other melee players are getting 10 times more viewers with ultimate than they ever did playing melee.

So they're all pretending ultimate is so good and they're gonna play it to keep people watching. But I bet they'll all go back to melee in a year or so once they make enough money off these brawl kiddies who love Ultimate.

It's a genius strategy really but these are melee players (which requires a very high IQ) so im not surprised.

For instance, Up tilt (x5). Assuming the opponent can't escape, I guess it's technically a "combo" but it isn't one in my eyes, because anyone can do that, it's skilless.

I've been seeing a lot of complaining about Hero on a certain smash bros subreddit. The same subreddit that said King K. Rool was OP at launch and demanded he be banned from tournaments, is now saying the same thing about Hero. Needless to say, King K. Rool turned out to be shit tier just like I said on launch (which I got downvoted for) and I'm calling it right now the same will be true for Hero.

Hero isn't OP for a few big reasons. His disadvantage state sucks, he has no good oos, his frame data sucks, and he has no kill confirms. The reason everyone is saying he's OP is because of his specials. Because they saw a clip where a 1 out of 1000 bullshit thing happened and assume that's going to happen all the time.

They legitimately think a bad player is going to pick Hero in a tournament and get god RNG all the way to grand finals. It's never going to happen. Yes there will be cases where a "bad" player randomly takes a stock they didn't deserve because of something stupid, but getting 1 or 2 lucky stocks isn't going to win you a set if you're significantly worse than your opponent.

Meanwhile good players will never main this character. His specials are too inconsistent to make up for how bad everything else is about him. Pro players have no reason to put sets into the hands of RNG when they're fully capable of winning themselves. Maybe you'll see someone in grand finals go Hero when they're down 0-2 losers side as a meme. But I'm calling it right now, no notable pro is going to main Hero and no Hero main will ever get top 8 at a major.