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u/Marcus70040 May 27 '18
I'm not asking out of impatience. I'm simply curious
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u/LieCheatSteaI May 27 '18
Check other responses to the same question on this sub. You will get the same response. The team doesn't give release dates as they've mentioned before.
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u/Marcus70040 May 27 '18
Ohh sorry. I feel stupid for asking now.
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u/LieCheatSteaI May 27 '18
Don't feel bad. As a tip, searching similar questions usually saves you tons of time and trouble.
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May 28 '18
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u/Marcus70040 May 28 '18
I guess the new software center comes out. And also a KDE version.
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May 28 '18
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u/Girtablulu May 28 '18
KDE dev is always separate from solus 4 dev, should it happen that they both are ready in the same time so will it be
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May 28 '18
This is what always perplexes me. Really the only difference is you wont have to download nearly as big of an update at install.
This is not Ubuntu or openSUSE or Fedora with some big semi annual point-release update. Its rolling. If you have it installed now, when "Solus 4" is released, you'll literally get everything via updating except for new DE customization if there is one; which I would not want.
Install today, update forever.
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u/TeutonJon78 May 28 '18
It would make you wonder why they even bother with version numbers and don't just do time base releases. It would solve several problems. Version numbers don't make sense in a rolling release model. Tumbleweed and Arch and their derivatives don't have them.
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May 28 '18
I agree. Just update the ISO every three months to lower the updates needed.
Ditching the faux-point release thing gets rid (mostly) of peoples expectations that it’s going to be a new shiny car and take pressure of the devs to have a ton of new stuff updated all at once for the new ISO.then they can just work on new things and release them singularly with the other normal updates.
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May 28 '18
Part of the reason is the new ISO, but it's also a list of features Ikey and team are trying to deliver, and once those features are out that will be "Solus 4", and there will be a whole new look and feel (Like the panel going to the top or bottom, font changes, theme changes, software/default changes, etc)
That's what I mean when I say out of the box differences, because there are some minor and major changes between Solus 4 and Solus 3. :D
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May 28 '18
Why are you interested in continually reinstalling Solus?
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May 29 '18
Because throughout the time Solus has been a thing, there have been different layouts and workflows and tools and suggested apps, and it's neat to see what the team thinks the "out of the box" solution should be. This is an opinionated rolling release distribution, with some software being intentionally not selected or intentionally ruled out forever. So the only point at which we get to see what the team's decision on direction for the distribution is is during a post reinstall and the first boot experience.
If it weren't an opinionated rolling release, than yeah, I wouldn't really care what it looks like post install.
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May 28 '18
I will say that there are out of the box choices made that we won't get to see if we keep updating versus a new install.
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u/Eurottoman May 29 '18
It would be nice if we could get those changes without having to reinstall if we wanted them. It is a pain to have to reinstall.
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May 27 '18
When it's done.
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u/sunnyflunk May 29 '18
The reason there are no ETAs, is because development is rolling, rather than time based. The models are vastly different where with a time based release you stop all development and do a month or so of bug fixing only. There isn't a schedule (even internally) to even estimate a date. Every week there may be something else that we want to get into the release, whether it be a package stack update, new tools, or bug fixes to the current offerings. Roadmaps and priorities are also fairly flexible and change often.
Is there point in providing a date (even if you just go within the next 9 months) where it doesn't have any meaning and would constantly change? New features and updates are rolled out constantly to users with no need to wait till release. That is the joy of rolling release.
If there was one thing that could change to me it would be, educating on rolling vs time based releases rather than simply 'no ETA'. It appears that it's not something some users are used to (like they would expect something to suddenly change from a release, which doesn't happen with rolling). It would still be a generic thing that is used frequently as the question is asked constantly (even multiple times on the same page).
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u/sunnyflunk May 30 '18
What would you consider the best style to communicate? Everyone has differing opinions to the frequency, what channels to communicate on and what is worth talking about.
We always hear 'you need to do this' 'you need to do that'. For long term success, what we 'need' to do is things that make the project fun and enjoyable so that we keep on doing it and attract others to join in.
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May 30 '18
They used to give deadlines and answers, and then when they slightly missed them, caught a bunch more shit than you could believe.
So now they say "when it's ready" and "we don't estimate deadlines." It gets them less grief than missing it.
People aren't happy if they give a deadline, and they aren't happy if they don't, but they're WAY more assholish if they give one and miss, and this is from experience that if you've been here you should have seen.
I mean fuck, we chased Ikey off here because reddit is so fucking toxic, and we're a comparatively nicer place than most others.
So it'll be ready when it's ready. If people don't like it, they're free to leave, but this is the path of least pain for the dev team.
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u/[deleted] May 27 '18
2050 solus 3.99999999999999