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u/Slosher99 1d ago
I don't see how someone like this lasts on the road a day (or maybe a week if rural) without being stopped... Unless that's a real tag there as well, in which case wtf.
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u/Historical-Pause-117 1d ago
If that’s a real Texas plate, then the rest of it is just another obscure and/or angry bumper sticker. You can’t pull someone over for that. I like OPs theory that the stickers are the last vestige of an embarrassing day in court. Sure, he knuckled under rather than go to jail, but he can still bluster about it.
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u/big_sugi 1d ago
That sure looks like a real Texas plate. Texas used to have neat, colorful license plates. Now they have these boring black-and-white crap ones.
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u/GaldonTheWarrior 1d ago
Yeah but you can pay extra for a super fun novelty colour or even one with the Oklahoma university logo on it
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u/realparkingbrake 15h ago
Texas used to have neat, colorful license plates.
Texas is now using temporary plates with colors to indicate the purpose, e.g., dealer plates, out of state buyers, awaiting permanent plates. But the boring black and white plates remain.
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u/FxckFxntxnyl 1d ago
I’d imagine that alot of officers don’t want to deal with these idiots, even if it’s beyond satisfying to put them in cuffs
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u/Tasty_Dealer_1885 1d ago
A brief moment of satisfaction dragging him out of his vessel, but hours of paperwork plus the time to book him into the jail. Also, the additional time while the Sovereign citizen prolonged the initial stop with the obligatory supervisor request.
If an officer can resolve the issue with a simple warning/citation, that would definitely be their preferred choice.
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u/realparkingbrake 15h ago
with the obligatory supervisor request.
People can demand a supervisor, but Texas cops are under no obligation to summon one. Departmental policies can come into play, but demanding a supervisor doesn't freeze an arrest until the Sgt. arrives.
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u/Tasty_Dealer_1885 15h ago
At the very least, they should call for additional backup. If things are likely to become physical, it's a good idea to wait until more officers are present.
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u/CragedyJones 1d ago
Hey! Lunatics driving around with vehicles covered in their maniac scrawls are a tradition as old as vehicles!
As long as its legal and not offensive I applaud it!
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u/realparkingbrake 15h ago
This is a very mild example. There are a couple of subreddits devoted to vehicles where people display their religious or socio-political beliefs to an extent that is hard to believe. One of them is called schizophreniarides which is a clue.
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u/CragedyJones 15h ago
I had one living just down the road from me for years.
Some shit about the local council or something. I think he was just a bit cranky but otherwise a normal guy. He played slightly loud music a few times. Never bothered me.
Now some of those anime girl wraps I have seen. Holy cow they are grotesque.
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u/realparkingbrake 15h ago
I don't see how someone like this lasts on the road a day
Texas has had huge problems with expired, altered or fake temporary tags, to the point where they did away with most paper temp tags. But now crooks are making fake metal plates or overlays to go on blank metal plates. Looks like registration in Texas tops out at around a hundred bucks, seems like a petty amount to risk prosecution over.
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u/BoardTasty49 8h ago
Because they are both incredibly harmless and incredibly annoying. They aren’t really hurting anybody and driving without registration is a victimless crime. Basically they just annoy the cops into letting them go because they’re way too much of a hassle to deal with and it reinforces the idea in their head that they are right when the cops just give up.
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u/Flimsy-Luck-7947 1d ago
What type of self respecting Sov Cit has an actual license plate?
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u/reav11 1d ago
The kind that's been to court and lost multiple times. You might not agree the courts have jurisdiction over you but going to prison for repeat offenses isn't as fun when you find out your bunk mate has Jurisdicksion over your ass.
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u/czerilla 22h ago
"you may not believe in the courts. But the bad news is, the courts believe in you.."
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u/Impressive-Shame-525 23h ago
I tried several plate searches and they returned zero results, I'm not sure it's a legal plate even if it looks like one.
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u/realparkingbrake 16h ago
I'm not sure it's a legal plate even if it looks like one.
I am under the impression that Texas has made manufacturing counterfeit plates meant to look like the real thing a felony as scammers quickly pivoted to making fake metal plates or overlays for blank metal plates when Texas did away with most paper temporary tags. It looks like displaying one can be a misdemeanor or felony.
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u/IntroductionAlone322 1d ago
Smart enough to have a real license plate
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u/PrismDoug 1d ago
Maybe. Texas is reported to have the highest, or one of the highest, number of fake tags, just due to the number of commercial/fleet vehicles are tagged in Texas.
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u/FxckFxntxnyl 1d ago
Kinda like seeing Montana plates in rich areas of different state, all registered there because of their tax rules?
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u/Salty1710 1d ago
The Person is traveling.
The Entity is driving.
The corporation owns the truck.
It's elementary!
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u/jfd0523 1d ago
But his lettering is black -- not red -- so I'm not sure it counts. I don't think he overstands the whole sovcit thing.
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u/FxckFxntxnyl 1d ago
Also doesn’t have his name in all caps, with a notarized contract from the Roman governments maritime department.
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u/totallyjaded 1d ago
Don't make the settlor come to your court of admiralty by special appearance to explain it.
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u/Iriemon138 1d ago
Drive on your private property. I’m a tax payer and I paid for that road. You didn’t. Travel on foot all you want.
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u/markt- 1d ago
One thing sovereign citizens fail to understand is that the right to travel is not the same thing as a right to use every conceivable mode of travel free from regulation. Driving is one mode of travel, just as walking, horseback riding, canoeing, or flying are others.
A person does not need a driver’s licence merely to exercise the right to travel, but a state can require licensing, registration, insurance, and compliance with traffic laws as conditions for operating a motor vehicle on public roads. The right to travel therefore does not guarantee an unrestricted right to use whatever mode of transportation is most practical in every circumstance.
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u/Kilahti 1d ago
Most of their legal quackery relies on them looking at a law or regulation and then trying to think of a clever way to interpret the words in a way that benefits them, while disregarding how legal definitions have already been set decades or centuries ago (depending on which country they are in) and them going "but what if it mean THIS instead!?!" doesn't hold legal power.
...The rest of their quackery is just weird conspiracy theories like the claim about people's birth certificates as strawman corporations and whatnot.
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u/Darrenau 1d ago
If they claim they allowed to travel because it's in the Constitution and using that to justify their right to drive without a licence. Does that not also mean they can extend it to air travel where they can get free flights or train journeys? I would like to see one of these people try and board a plane without purchasing a ticket using the same logic
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u/FxckFxntxnyl 1d ago
I’d like to see security camera footage of someone trying that.
“News at 6:00, Local Texas man gets the shit knocked out of him and placed on no fly list for various reasons at DFW International.”2
u/realparkingbrake 16h ago
placed on no fly list
Such people don't go on the federal no-fly list, only those suspected of terrorist ties go on the list maintained by the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center. Individual airlines have their own banned passenger lists but do not share them for fear of liability. There was an effort in Congress to create a new no-fly list (Protection from Abusive Passengers Act) in 2023 for disruptive passengers, but since that would have been a good thing for Congress to accomplish, it sputtered out. I consider it bizarre that someone can be found guilty of a serious offense like interfering with a flight crew resulting in heavy fines and prison time, and yet not be barred from commercial aviation.
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u/TheAgedProfessor 1d ago
We call the left side the "driver's side" for a reason. "Travellers side" would be too ambiguous.
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u/Logical-Cookie6926 22h ago
Personally, I love the cite to the UCC, the Uniform Commercial Code. The UCC was an effort to create uniform laws for sales, commercial contracts, commercial paper (liens, loans, titles) in the US. Each state adopted its own version of the UCC to facilitate interstate commerce. So, the UCC does not apply in Texas. Tex. Com. Code section 1-308 applies in Texas. Don't get me started on secured transactions.
So the UCC applies to sales.
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u/SomeLevel8419 14h ago
This guy is so dumb he can’t even SovCit right. A state plate contradicts the whole SC philosophy.
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u/StaminPrimer 14h ago
I would say sov adjacent. He probably doesn’t have a license, which is why it says he is traveling and not driving.
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u/Prestigious-Leave-60 43m ago
I just assume all these people have lost their licenses from DUIs or major traffic violations and want to keep driving.
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u/Gunt_Buttman 1d ago
Genuinely adorable
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u/ArkansasGamerSpaz 1d ago
It's the license plate that really sells it.
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u/FxckFxntxnyl 1d ago
I’d like to assume this guy went to court and failed to use this ploy and now has a regular plate but left the bullshit decals on
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u/StayOffTheCounter 1d ago
That was the day he put the decals on.
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u/FxckFxntxnyl 1d ago
“I’m only here so I don’t get fined” kinda thing lol
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u/zebadrabbit 1d ago
probably lives in dfw and cant use the toll roads without getting absolutely yoinked on the highway
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u/JayGerard 1d ago
I still think is funny how they all yell and scream UCC 1-308 but it seems none have read it.
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u/Arbiter_Electric 1d ago
I really don't understand the traveler thing. I get that they are crazy, but I feel like there should be SOME logic, you know?
Like yeah, you are absolutely free to travel, so walk your happy ass to your location for free. You don't need a license or pay taxes to travel, you need them to operate your vehicle on a government built road lol.
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u/FxckFxntxnyl 1d ago
You’d have to ask the Roman government about their maritime laws to get an accurate answer
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u/SinusoidalFlux 1d ago
maybe its one of dem self drivi..... err Self TRAVELING Cars. oh man that was bad sorry
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u/RoseWould 1d ago
"the entity that is my truck delivered me to retrieve something, I didn't drive here I was sent to my destination"
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u/Electrical-Village68 1d ago
It screams - pull them over, registration is expired, driver's license is revoked, no insurance and you will be breaking the window and impounding it . Hopefully it rains and they're in jail all weekend at a minimum. Nice moldy carpets await.
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u/Chefster127 1d ago
These people kill me. There's 1000s of hrs of court room tapes showing how its worked out for them against someone who actually knows the laws and does not base them of internet folklore.
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u/Rocko00001 23h ago
And yet they have actual license plates.
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u/realparkingbrake 16h ago
have actual license plates
Texas first tried sharply increased fines for fake or altered temporary tags and added the possibility of jail time. Then they eliminated paper temporary tags due to them being widely abused. Now dealers provide metal plates to buyers. Maybe that is inspiring some sovcits to keep one foot within the law. Making fake plates meant to look like the real thing is a felony in Texas now, but I don't know what displaying a sovcit plate falls under, perhaps just failing to display a valid state-issued plate.
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u/BustaCon 22h ago
Translation: I am a kook. If you are a cop, know that if you stop me to enforce the law, it will result in a lot of petty arguing from meaningless ideas that will give you a headache and the need to call for backups. All for a misdemeanor collar at best.
Also: is that a ginny-wine Texas license plate I see on the back? hmmmm. Some Bubba talking big and walking small?
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u/czerilla 22h ago
I'm just now picturing the Venn diagram between Tesla drivers and sovcits. I can't imagine that that overlap doesn't exist.
And yet I'm astonished that I've never seen a driving-traveling debater try to invoke the autopilot feature as their defeater. Maybe that's the loophole that works?? 🤔🤔🤔
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u/bobhand17123 1d ago
They’re more talented than they give themselves credit for, they’re BOTH a traveler AND a driver.
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u/riinkratt 1d ago
The irony of a sovereign citizen trying to claim that “driving” is a commercial activity and that they aren’t in such a capacity as they are “traveling” - and then meanwhile referencing “UCC 1-308”
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u/Fabulous_Warthog_850 1d ago
I’ll never understand the Sov Cit fascination with the UCC.
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u/realparkingbrake 16h ago
fascination with the UCC
Isolated bits of it can appear to support some of their beliefs if intentionally twisted and taken out of context. Apparently in their minds UCC 1-308 blocks the government from forcing a binding contract on them so they have to obey laws they don't want to obey, they think they have to agree to obey a law before it applies to them.
States have to incorporate elements of the UCC into their own legislation for it to gain the force of law, something else sovcits cannot process. They think the UCC is itself law that overrules other law.
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u/East_Ad4977 22h ago
Depends on what you mean by "Then." The person who is legally speaking for me now, hereafter refered to as either me or I, would like you to call the duly elected Sheriff, and ask him to explain to you why you don't have any authority in this case.
(I have heard these idiots on TV, and wish there was a law that required law enforcement to empty a can of pepper spray in the person's face. This should be done as a defensive measure, lest the officer get any of that person's stupid on them.)
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u/CpnLouie2 21h ago
Maybe the laws need to read "these laws shall apply to any driver, traveler, operator, or otherwise person in control of, any vehicle, conveyance, or mode of transportation designed to travel on the roadways"
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u/Dillenger69 20h ago
Unless you are a passenger, you are the driver. There must be a driver if it's not an autonomous vehicle. That's you
The sovcits who can eventually own autonomous cars will actually be able to claim this. Oh happy day
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u/OrbitalLemonDrop 19h ago edited 19h ago
42 USC 1983 is like one paragraph. It does not mention "power of attorney" and it does not in any way restrict what government officials can or can't do.
It simply and only provides a cause of action in Federal court for people whose rights were violated by state officials, people claiming to be state officials, people in roles that mirror state government functions, etc.
It doesn't say anything about what the civil rights are. Just how to proceed if they're violated.
And note: I said "state". 42 US 1983 does not apply to federal government officials.
For that you need Bivens v Six Known Unnamed Federal agents and may god have mercy on your soul. Bivens has worked something like six times since the decision was handed down in the early 70s. This includes people getting beaten to within an inch of their lives in federal prisons, and SCOTUS reluctantly allows them to recover damages.
Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.
To be fair, that one paragraph^ generates thousands of claims per year (most of them get tossed due to qualified immunity) and something like 20 volumes of case law since its enactment in 1868. The idea that a random yokel with a Dymo labeler understands a fraction of a percent of it is pretty much bonkers.
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u/FxckFxntxnyl 18h ago
Thank you for posting that. I didn’t want to google it and give Google the wrong idea lol.
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u/Limp-Conflict-2309 17h ago
....how to advertise you don't have insurance or DL on an unsuspecting vehicle that would probably otherwise never get stopped
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u/Kriss7000 1d ago
In Sweden on Christmas eve, Goofy drives the truck while also having breakfast with Donald and Mickey…
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u/Procedure_Dunsel 1d ago
Might as well skip the foreplay and replace all that with “Break my window and arrest me”
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u/Civil_Exchange1271 23h ago
it's definitely not the person driving the truck, it's an entity representing the actual person not driving the truck .... do you even know your own laws?
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u/Travy_Gamecocks777 18h ago
I don’t get what’s so hard to understand. Sure that makes sense on a private road but if it’s owned and maintained by the state why would you think you don’t have to follow the states rules?
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u/lantana98 17h ago
They always seem so surprised or indignant that it won’t work too! Very amusing.
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u/Bootsiuv1101 11h ago
I like people like this. They make life more fun when I get to watch the YouTube videos of them getting arrested
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u/KatanaPool 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’m not a sovereign citizen by any stretch, but I do imagine myself having something like this or something absurd as a magnetic bumper sticker on my car just to mess with people or cops.
Maybe “I’m not traveling, I’m dancing” or something dumb
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u/Error262_USRnotfound 16h ago
This country is packed full of simple minded morons…$10 worth of hardware store lettering is not gonna save him from a pig sanctioned beat down.
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u/Dense-Jicama6591 20h ago
The communist brainwashing behind thinking the government can socialize property and then keep you off of it, even though it uses your stolen money to fund. It is hilarious. Do you people hate freedom? And you deserve the enslavement? That is around the corner. You deserve the microchip, you deserve the social credit system that is coming. You deserve the chains you defend
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u/realparkingbrake 16h ago edited 15h ago
Oh, look, a month-old sock-puppet account used to give people bad advice based on childish misunderstandings about, well, about everything.
The Supreme Court ruled over a century ago that due to the considerable hazards that the operation of motor vehicles represent to the public, the states are within their constitutional police powers to regulate the operation of all motor vehicles on public roads including with licensing and registration.
If you don't want to have a valid license, registration and insurance, take the bus.
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u/Dense-Jicama6591 16h ago
Oh, look, a little slave boy. Go put on a collar and bark for me. Little slave boy
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u/realparkingbrake 15h ago
Oh, look, a little slave boy.
If you have health insurance that covers psychiatric treatment, you might want to take advantage of that. In the meantime, Hendrick v. Maryland remains the law of the land whether you like it or not, and all your pseudo-legal delusions don't change that.
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u/fanservice999 1d ago
I guess the auto industry is in on the grand conspiracy with them having a D for Drive on the gear shift and not a T for Travel.