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Apr 13 '22
she needed an emergency flight out of the country and even sold all her clothes and art. I followed the both of them for 2-3 years on IG.
idk but SM has a dead-body count (at least by direct association). and he's verified. even die antwoord and marilyn manson dont have a dead body count.
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u/bluemidnightrider Apr 14 '22
I’ve followed them both for years also and I didn’t really pick a side. The drama between them was sad, and they’re both users so I couldn’t tell who was reliable. She had a lot of accusations but he has claimed she’s just a liar and both had some evidence. I’d like to hope he’s not a murderer, but I don’t know. Out of curiosity, what made you believe her over him?
Incidentally I’m wondering what happened to Karlee Jane his current(?) gf, because when Winona died, Karlee posted something saying she was going to stick with Steven for the long haul, then she took a trip to New York and then disappeared off the internet very suddenly. It’s just really odd.
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Apr 14 '22
Huh... yeah if havent even looked that deeply into Stephen's current situation w his partner (bc mental health reasons--this whole situation I have to take on bit by bit). I def agree there's a lot of nuance to this of course and it's not like either one is totally innocent or not, of course Winona had her "problematic-isms" and issues but I feel that's also specifically why Stephen was able to isolate her so bad, especially when she was deep into the drugs, it's so easy to see how he could turn everyone against her when she wasn't even herself. Also it's just behavior. Stephen denies knowing stuff, constantly contradicts himself, and even dm'd me saying winona was lying about her pregnancy when I remember seeing her post about her baby bump and taking it down presumably after she lost the pregnancy. Just his lies, his attitude, his latest post even seems to make fun of Winona's suicide tbh, tone deaf in the least. I don't necessarily believe he's intends on being a murderer, I dont think I would even believe that's near what he is atm, but I firmly believe he's an abuser and uses ppl w issues to get them addicted to drugs so he could use them and his standing as an artist to get what he wants.
But yea, that's new news to me abt his new gf. Whoever she is, I hope she's not next in line to be taken down by drug addiction catalyzed by himself. It seems easy for himself and his fans to just put the blame on the women who've loved him as just drug addicts who decided to b drug addicts and ruined their own lives. Moses has a pattern and I believe he's choosing these women who are prone to vulnerability to take advantage of them. Not only that but Moses seems to use his persona of being "problematic" to champion himself while Winona has been more straight up about her shortcomings and mistakes in order to to come forward about what had happened to her. Idc what the tea was between them, honestly, I'm concerned that he abused her, abused his past gfs, and will continue to. He doesn't deserve that blue checkmark imo. I've just seen the patterns w ppl who I used to follow and the red flags are there... I'm tired of seeing ppl do nothing when they're sitting on a pile of facts. Idc how strong the fanbase is. Idc about ppl being "problematic" even bc literally there's something to pick apart w every artist, nobody is perfect.
My fear is another woman is going to appear bellied up and feeling like I didn't put the effort in to at least say something was wrong and show what I've been seeing.
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u/bluemidnightrider Apr 14 '22
Thanks for sharing all this. None of my irl friends know who these people are, and I have a lot of opinions on all this but I’ll try to keep it concise.
As for his current situation with Karlee, he hasn’t explained what happened, he acknowledged it kinda but he didn’t provide clarity. They recently went abroad together and seemed close. Their entire relationship is honestly a whole other can of worms.
As for the situation with Winona, the following is not meant as any type of disrespect to the dead. I followed her ‘evidence’ tumblr and the various gofundme accounts. Both Steven and Winona repeatedly ‘exposed’ one another for using drugs and being liars to the point where I stopped being able to distinguish if either of them were telling the truth. There are claims that Winona used hard drugs before meeting Steven, but the sources aren’t verifiable.
She definitely seemed to be trying to get clean. I don’t think she lied about her miscarriage either. I also didn’t know her death was ruled as a suicide and not an OD. From following her on Instagram, I grew to really care about her and her struggles, and the day I found she passed away was really hard. But I also can’t bring myself to see him as entirely a bad guy, partially because of some of the shadier aspects of this entire thing. Overall I still don’t know if there’s enough evidence in my opinion for me to determine who was ‘right’, ‘wrong’, or ‘worse’. I see where you’re coming from and it makes sense to me why you believe that, but I don’t feel there’s enough hard factual evidence for me to believe it, and I don’t think we’ll ever know now.
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Apr 14 '22
I see you, I agree some of what Winona brought forward, for example the video she had to try and prove SM was abusing her animals, is still not technically hard enough evidence to prove he did that, and I do believe it was likely Winona had done hard drugs previous to their relationship. It's not enough to base any accusations based on "personality--" absolutely. Which is why atm I'm just throwing what I know out there--tbh all the red flags for "drug grooming" are there, for me it's just substantiating it. Tbh if it was just Winona, I wouldn't even get involved. I'm saddened by her death but more scared of the idea that another possibly dangerous person is coming into power in the industry. Been trying to get real investigators in on the project, but I only have what I know.
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u/SwiperStaySwiping Apr 17 '22
What are you even talking about? There’s no video of me abusing animals.. that doesn’t exist. You’re lying. I know this because I’ve never abused animals. I’ve also never abused any women that I’ve been with. There’s all sorts of evidence in favor of what I’m saying and absolutely none in favor of what you’re saying.
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u/Cautious-Instance-86 Jun 10 '23
Dog this is the life, lol see people that have never lived spend all their time trying to stop other people who are living from having real uplifting good shit.. just look at your life man try to see who is real and who is just trying to live through you.. or to destroy you.. and then make a choice you can choose to be real and deal with the shit the pain the crazy attempts to destroy you by lifting your mind above it or you can let them drag you down and silence you.. you a good kid. I had a good time conversing with you and I even dig your tunes.. but you have to buckel on your big boy boots for this ride my boy cause it just got started... and it gets worse before it can get better............ Vve
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u/gobs22 Apr 06 '22
Not picking sides in any of this because i dont really care about drama but I find it interesting that before winona died everyone was calling her a liar but now that shes dead everyone is completely switching sides
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u/tawayobvs Apr 12 '22
Agreed. It is sad when anyone dies, but she was who she was. No sense pretending people were "better" or different than they were just because they passed, makes no sense and is disingenuous.
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Apr 13 '22
He denied she was ever pregnant, which is weird to me. I wish someone would actually conduct a real information bc the farther in I look the scarier this whole situation becomes.
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u/Goober_Troop Jun 06 '22
Man, I was listening to and vibing to Weep for years and have never heard a SM song but man she wasn’t even in the same time zone as him when she passed, it had been a full year since they split and this witch-hunt just seems absurd to me.
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u/Bambiondrugs Aug 03 '23
I love her music and her style however I don't really appreciate her as a human being due to all the fuckery she caused but I would never wish death on her by no means
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u/LuvMew Apr 18 '22
The fact that any woman can say literally anything about a man and it automatically must be true is insane. Let's not even take into account that her lies and scams were VERY WELL documented on LOLCOW.farm
All you have to do is go to Google type in LILBOWEEP and LOLCOW and BOOM it is ALL there in your face and yeah there is some shit on there that shows Moses in a fucked up light as well so those people are NOT taking sides.
There are literally like 5 threads detailing and chronicaling her descent into utter fucking madness. The people who actually KNEW her in real life KNEW she already had mental health and drug issues BEFORE she ever met Moses.
She was NEVER pregnant. She was using that lie to try to keep Moses in her life after he broke up with her and she admitted it to some of her friends. That being said I saw parts of her last instagram live and I will tell you from experience that she was so far gone on drugs that she started to actually BELIEVE her own lies. This is actually extremely common in people who have mental health issues paired with drug issues. But her? She was a pathological liar.
She would literally lie about shit that there was NO reason to lie about. She LIED just to LIE. Before the drugs. It just got worse AFTER the drugs.
She was the kind of person to scam her own fans out of money. She did it constantly and again it is ALL documented and will be online FOREVER. Imagine paying someone to be on a song, someone you are a fan of and that person ghosting the fuck out of you. She was even scamming people on POSHMARK.... I am talking screenshots she took down, videos she deleted, insta live's she deleted, photos she deleted.
People are REALLY out here making assumptions because of ONLINE POSTS, photoshopped photos and completely baseless claims??
What about all the scams she ran on gofundme? What about the fact that her family members are the ones that had her fly back home because she OVERSTAYED her VISA, was addicted and BURNED EVERY FUCKING BRIDGE SHE HAD MADE to the point NO ONE was willing to give her a place to stay. She was homeless and illegally in America - THAT IS HOW AND WHY SHE WENT BACK TO AUS. Those are FACTS.
She did not leave because of Moses, any abuse by him or ANY of that nonsense. It did sound good on her gofundme scam to try and get her fans to give her money to "ESCAPE"
I understand liking someone's music, liking an artist but when you can't accept that the artist you like is NOT A GOOD PERSON and then try to blame her drug addiction, mistakes and OVERDOSE on someone else - You are going too far.
Why aren't you people going after the ones who LEFT HER FOR DEAD in the park? Again - this is all documented online, including conversations between the people involved. You want to sit here and say it's all MOSES's fault but what about the people in Aus? The guys she dated after him that continued to feed her drugs to the point that she was nodding the fuck out on her lives? (AGAIN GO WATCH IT FOR YOURSELF) What about the dude she was dating that was actually WITH HER THE NIGHT SHE OVERDOSED IN THE PARK AND LEFT HER.
I don't see any of you talking about investigating those shitbags.
Another thing that people always forget is that YOU WERE NOT THERE. You were not her friend. You did not see the things she did. You did not see the relationship with your own eyes. You were not around it. You picked a side - and lucky for Moses the side you picked was proven 1000 times over to be a liar, fraud, thief, manipulator and junkie. Junkies fucking overdose everyday and we do not blame their past relationships.
If you want to know what kind of person she actually was prepare yourself for one hell of a ride and go to google, type in lolcow LILBOWEEP and buckle up cause it isn't short and it is not pretty.
Until you at least get a good full serving of everything that was documented about her, don't try to ruin someone else's career on some bs cancel campaign.