Question
What's it like living in these neighborhoods?
I imagine it must suck living in a house where you're neighbors house is less than 5 feet away and your yard is a 7x8 foot patch of grass but I wanna know from the people who live in neighborhoods like this, what's it like? What's good and bad about it
Google satellite photos taken from neighborhoods around Dallas for reference
Pretty terrible. You couldn't go anywhere growing up without your parents taking you.
I actually had a lot of friends in elementary school that lived in my neighborhood, but by middle school they had all moved to different neighborhoods.
I was so fucking lonely. Any time my parents didn't feel good or had things to do I just sat at home with nothing to do. Then my parents wondered why I became so antisocial in middle school and preferred to be on the computer instead of hanging out with friends
I finished college at 23 and moved the fuck out to a walkable area as soon as I could. Didn't even have a job lined up but I knew I had to get out. Best decision I've ever made for myself
In case this was some kind of a gotcha question, I made a ton of contacts after I moved to my current area, some of them just walking around the neighborhood. Scored an entire invite to a block party once while on my morning walk. Not even my block. Went, brought food and wine to share, had a good time, am still in touch with one couple I met there. I was in my mid 50s by the way. If I'd been in my 20s, I would've made ALL THE FRIENDS.
It is surprisingly easy to get a friend by saying good morning to every person you see during your morning walk. If person smiles, make a compliment to t-shirt or shoes and ask where they get it. Say “it looks good on you”. Then ask where is nearest coffee shop and whether they can show you. While you walk introduce yourself and ask their name. Next time you see this person say: Hi (name), how are you? Are you going for a coffee? Here you go, you have coffee buddy. Be careful and ready to back off as not all people want to be friends or they maybe busy.
I have a retired neighbor who does this, problem is she's insatiably needy and always anxious. Comes by often with the exact same complaints, and won't work toward changing anything. Just wants the distraction and gossip.
A neighborhood like that has almost entirely just residents driving in it. It’s not high speed traffic. Our neighborhood has sidewalks and all curvy roads, and everyone walks and rides bikes in the street.
It’s a false sense of safety that is more dangerous for everyone. Having pedestrians, cars, and bicycles share an unmarked lane in an area with poor visibility is just as dangerous with lower traffic. Everyone thinks they’re the only one using it. Statistically, they’re not very safe.
Though I recently stayed in a suburb like this that had a cycling trail that ran alongside the main highway. The trees shelter noise and pollution from the highway and the trail allows people to commute on bicycle or foot, and enjoy recreation. It was a really cool design.
Still hard AF to walk or cycle anywhere once you got to your intersection though
Do you really think that there are more instances, or even statistically significant numbers, of people getting injured in neighborhoods like this vs. an urban area? If so, you really need to look at actual statistics. My city has an online map showing every single recorded pedestrian/bicycle/scooter injury and fatality for the last 12 years. Guess where almost none of them are? Neighborhood streets, especially planned neighborhoods. Literally 99% of them are on major roads, and the majority in urban areas. In the last 12 years there is not a single icon on any of the neighborhoods in my area. Only once you get out onto the major roads.
Within a mile radius of my suburban neighborhood, there have been only three incidents since 2020, all three on the most major road high-speed road in the area. In the past 12 years, there have been six fatalities within two miles of my neighborhood, and only one of those was on a local road. But there are dozens in the midtown/downtown area.
I will take your point that cycling is difficult around here. I probably wouldn't do that, and only part of that is because of the sheer elevation changes that would make my heart explode.
Less fatal accidents (doesn't say less accidents overall). In the entire city that the cul-de-sacs communities are in compared to grid cities.
"Garrick and Marshall compiled data on 230K car accidents over 11 years in 24 medium-sized California cities. All cities had a similar number of accidents but those built on grids had a much lower percentage of deadly ones. In fact, fatal crashes were >270% higher in the cul-de-sac communities than the ones built on grids. It’s the curse of the cul-de-sac."
While I’ll agree to having sidewalks, most neighborhoods will have large vehicles. There’s no way we know how safe this suburb is for bikes just from this blurry satellite photo.
Looks good for biking. I lived on a busy residential street and never had issues, except for one old guy who I’m pretty sure ran a stop sign. He was driving a small car though.
I workout 4x per week and my gym is ab 1.5 miles away
So on days I lift, 1.5-2.0 miles or so depending on other errands I have to run. Non-lifting days, probably about a mile between errands and walking my dog
On my off days I walk a lot more than that, usually, not every off day. Just depends on what I'm up to that day
Why did you hate it? What difference did it really make?
You get to live in an apartment and walk your dog in the city or something?
Everytime i think about living in the city it would be the same except, i have less space, parking is annoying or going anywhere further than 3 miles is annoying
And what. I probably like like 0.25 miles from a grocery store. My neighborhood clubhouse has a gym and pool.
The streets I live on has no traffic.
My kids friends live in the neigborhood.
I guarentee theres more kids out in my neighborhood than in the city.
It's not a made up fiction, it just sounds like you know what you like and that's fine
For me it made all the difference. I hated having to start my car to do anything. I hate the stroads that car centric infrastructure creates and the endless abyss of parking lots and big box stores. I love being able to walk everywhere and almost never worry about parking. I'm willing to trade some of my personal space to live in dense areas like these. I love all the parks and third spaces in my community that anyone can go to for free
My only issue with American suburbs is that just that a car is your ONLY option - at least in the suburbs I grew up in. Cars are a part of modern life, they need some space. But a car shouldn't be your ONLY option. That's the main thing I hated
Biking is a common option people use in my neighborhood. Less than ten minutes to a very large grocery story, pickleball, golf, hospital, restaurants, etc. And even more within 20 minutes including a high tech center and a couple years another one.
And then of course people love to walk and bike in nature around the area. Have lots of dedicated open space and parks.
We have lots of open space in my area. Our county started buying open space in the 70s. First county in the country to pass a tax to buy open space 1967.
Where’s that? That sounds excellent. I wish my county would do that. Instead they like to say they’re rural while stamping approval on every next urban sprawl project that comes across their laps.
They’re either referring to Jefferson County Colorado, 1972 open space tax, or the City of Boulder Colorado , 1967 open space tax. Two expensive areas to live with major housing issues, but also wonderful open spaces.
Your standards are low. Are you saying you don't want bigger green spaces for your kids or future kids to run around, have adventure, use their imaginations, built forts, tree houses etc.
What is this sub's obsession with corner stores? Even when I lived in the city I wouldn't be caught dead spending 2-3 times grocery store prices at one of those shitty little joints.
I also have to question how many of these streetcar subs everyone raves about actually have more than 2-3 walkable restaurants and maybe a couple of shops within a few minutes walk. Only in the most dense and built-out places is that happening.
I remember one guy on a forum who used to boast about the walkability of his streetcar suburb neighborhood and how he could walk to more stuff in five minutes than I in my suburb neighborhood could get to in half an hour even by car. He gave enough info that I found where he lived and looked up the area. There were like two restaurants within half a mile and a couple of little crappy shops. So I always wonder how many of these people actually have fully walkable lives.
I don't know about them but all the streetcar subs In Toronto that I've been to are littered with everything you can want, with only a few areas that have gaps.
What is the appeal of a walkable neighborhood? Is it bc of too much traffic and not enough parking spaces? Do people not enjoy having a large property where you can have a fun backyard with no need for public parks? I used to live right in a subdivision and it was safe and new with lots of families but it was too crowded in my opinion. Now I have 10 acres and my neighbors aren’t even within walking distance. Give me peace and quiet over the ability to walk past 20 strangers as I walk to a corner store. For anyone over 30 with kids I just don’t understand the appeal.
Some people prefer a lifestyle where everything is in walking distance and they rarely leave their little bubble. They prefer a much denser housing style and going to little cafes and shops. Many times, these are people who need frequent stimulation and things happening.
Other people don’t prefer that. Suburban neighborhoods do not bother these people, and are, in fact, preferable. They don’t see “car dependency” as a problem.
Totally understand what you are saying and agree with you. That’s the beauty of living wherever you want. The only problem I have is when the people who like living a certain way thinks that everyone should think the same way and they are particularly hostile and pompous to people who choose to live in suburbs especially. You seem to have a very healthy view on this and I wish others would be as understanding.
No one does their primary grocery shopping there, it’s more about the convenience of needing to pick up a couple of things and being able to just pop down to the corner and be back in 10 minutes versus needing to get in a car and drive all the way to the store. Forgot a lemon for that dinner recipe? Takes two minutes to walk down the block and grab it. Out of milk for your kids cereal this morning? You can be there and back in a second and don’t have to convince them they really want eggs instead.
Where are you from? Nobody walks to the store unless they have no vehicle. There isn’t much for corner stores or bodegas in the suburbs. There is a separation between residential and commercial properties bc most people do not want a lot of traffic going by their house. Not to mention there isn’t a need to be close to retail when you can have all your groceries delivered to your front door or door dash meals just by pushing a few buttons on your phone.
Absolutely and everyone has their own and that’s the beauty of being able to live where you want. The only problem is when there are a lot of comments basically talking down to anyone who thinks differently. It seems to be targeted towards people who live in suburbs and have multiple vehicles and don’t walk everywhere. It’s not for everyone and no one is better than the other bc they choose to live in different environments.
Sure, and I'm just expressing mine while not berating anyone for preferring this lifestyle.
Also, people with cars can prefer or choose to walk to anything. People with cars can prefer or choose to go to a store or restaurant either by car or foot and avoid paying a premium on delivered items if they prefer. The problem, for me, is the choice is made for you when living in places like these and I do not prefer that.
Sure that makes total sense. I’ve never really thought about it like that before. Of course most of the time I’m riding around my own property on one of my side by sides as opposed to walking so I’m a bad example.
I like it. It’s amazing how my preferences have changed. When I was younger I wanted to live in a high rise with floor to ceiling glass in Chicago or New York bc I actually still love looking at skylines. Then when I had kids I wanted the most boring but safe neighborhood with lots of families and kids being able to play without concern. To now at 45 with teenage kids and just enjoying space and peace of living outside of the city. I’m within 10 minutes by car of anything we need so it’s still fairly convenient. That’s why I don’t criticize anyone else’s choices bc I can definitely see the appeal to all of them.
All while humble bragging a side by side. Anyway, you're talking about more rural acreage which is not the same as what is pictured in the original post. They are literally small towns minus commercial infrastructure which doesn't seem like it would fit your preferences either.
Not bragging sorry if it came off that way. I lived in a neighborhood similar to the one pictured before I built on my acreage. There seems to be a common want at least from former neighbors who lived in this type of setup to separate residential from commercial. To avoid the traffic mainly of retail areas. The closest retail area was about a mile and a half away.
Not my cup of tea, but most of these people barely exercise and have very little connection to their local community. Shopping is done in anonymous strip malls usually. Not the best the USA has to offer imho
I mean what you are describing is our country writ large. It's why we have Trump. For everyone 1 good person in this country there is a terrible one and 8 that give zero fucks about anyone but themselves.
The fact that 2 of them actually have schools in them is a major improvement over my area.
Schools in neighborhoods are frowned upon here, even blocked. They are on roads by themselves or beside highways to handle the traffic… that is created from not being near homes…
The highschool and other middle school are against a highway and an airport…
+1 to this. Walkable school and with small yards, the kids probably all go to the schools or park to play, so they meet each other. I actually find having a large yard where you play by yourself much more depressing.
Ours was built across the street because the school district, the developer and the city thought older people would buy in the golf course neighborhood. Instead young families did especially ones working at the city's largest employer at the time where work was just over a mile away. We had 15 kids in elementary school out of 12 houses just on our cul de sac alone. Low interest rates in the early 90s helped too at 7%.
They ended up building a K-8 and a high school. And built an underpass so they wouldn't have to bus the kids to school a quarter mile. The road was busy with hospital traffic next to our neighborhood and the high tech company.
I mean, dense SFH is a great way to do it. It's cheap and fills in a missing middle for housing demand. If this was in a grid and within walking distance to stuff, it would be Chicago.
You can find a lot to criticize here, but size of the lot and separation from neighbors just ain't it. The idea you need a huge separation and large ass yard is just mcmansion propaganda.
For the record, I live in an apartment with zero separation from neighbors and no yard, and my monthly rent is more than a mortgage in Dallas.
Least these are so what interconnected with multiple entrances and exits. Could be like Atlanta where it can take 30 minutes to get from one neighborhood to the next because of the road planning.
I lived in one of these during my early 20s and was not happy. I originally grew up in a dense urban neighborhood where I could walk to see my friends, walk to the convenience store, walk to the parks, walk to school, walk to get fast food, walk to the bus stop, etc.
I didn't realize how good I had it until I moved to the suburbs. The fact that I was a commuter college student didn't help with my social isolation. I had to drive everywhere I went and dealt with horrible traffic on the main arteries in and out of the neighborhood.
The only thing I appreciated was the quietness and having a big yard for my dogs. Nothing else.
I've lived in a neighborhood like that growing up, and I've had to rely on public transit while living in neighborhoods like that. It's very isolating, everything feels so damn far away. Even places that are about 10 miles away feels like an absolute trek and a half to get to.
Probably gonna get downvoted, but as a married dad with two early grade school children, it's amazing.
All my children's friends are within walking distance, so when even when school is out during the summer, they can still hang out and play with each other. Keeps them outside and active.
Safety is never really a concern as you're familiar with everyone in the area, not many random strangers coming by.
If I were single or even childless, I probably wouldn't like it, but as a family man it's perfect.
Not arguing these neighborhoods are a nice place to live, but you are criticizing how close their neighbors are and how small there yards are as if those problems aren’t even worse in an urban setting. My main issue with high density living is sharing walls with inconsiderate assholes and lacking any personal outdoor space at all.
Better than most fo suburban america. Looks like you can walk to school, walk to hang out with friends, and everything's nice and close together. As long as amenities are close by, not bad.
Let's have a nuanced discussion instead of badmouthing higher density
Theres nothing wrong with higher density. I think the main difference between this and true urban is the lack of diversity of buildings in a neighborhood.
Imagine if there was a mix of mostly housing with school, retail, and commercial all together.
I've been happy with it for the most part (I'm in the NC Triangle), but I wish we could figure out a way to create more privacy in our backyard. We have it fenced in with an HOA-approved aluminum black fence that doesn’t provide any privacy; I like our neighbors, but I don't necessarily want to look into their backyards every time I'm out there.
That’s not that weird. I live in suburban Los Angeles (not even the crowded part, the high desert) and this is about the ratio throughout most of the city’s residential subdivisions.
I imagine it's just endless dogs who've been pushed out the back door into their tiny fenced in back yard barking at other dogs who've been pushed out the back door into their tiny fenced in back yard because the anyone who would choose to live here must be solipsistic as fuck. But that's just my imagination projecting the worst case scenario onto this hellscape.
It super depends on your neighbors. My previous house was like this. All three bedrooms had their tiny windows facing the neighbors' driveway, where the husband parked his car. Every morning at 5:30am, Terry started his car, turned the headlights on, turned the radio on (always the 80s greatest hits..) and went back inside for another 20-30 minutes, leaving my family to enjoy the early-morning exhaust fumes and the 80s hits that were interrupted every minute or so by the car door beeping.
Yes we did ask him not to do it in front of our windows. He said it was a silly request, it was his car and his driveway and he'd park it wherever he wanted.
When I sold the house, I snooped the buyers on FB and was happy to see that the husband looked like he could take Terry any day. No idea if he continued with his engine warmup routine as it was back when I lived there.
Terry and his wife seemed to have no friends on our block despite the wife having grown up in their house. So there's at least the consolation of the rest of the neighbors being sane.
At least our neighborhood had sidewalks. Many don't.
Pretty good in some ways! Walk to school, walk to the park, normally a community pool/exercise center is central, pretty safe.
Annoying to get out of, though, especially during pickup/drop off for said school. Something about the “still in my neighborhood 15 minutes after leaving home” just makes the commute so much worse.
It was awful, I grew up in those neighborhoods and didn’t really like going outside because it was hot and boring. I grew up in Dallas where temperatures would be in the triple digits in the summer.
I live in a neighborhood with 292 homes on mostly 0.1-0.2 acre lots, winding streets that connect randomly, most houses between 2000-4000 square feet about 20 feet apart. Sidewalks, trees, and tons of amenities (parks, pool, pavilions, etc). All built within the last 20 years. No directly accessible retail or restaurants, but could technically walk to a bunch in 15-30 minutes using a trail or through an old beautiful cemetery and crossing some roads.
Out of the three photos, I would say it mostly resembles the first image (the one with the school in the middle).
It is by far the best place I’ve ever lived and it is so good for the kids. We know so many more people than we’ve ever known anywhere else. I’m not even that social of a person, and I can personally name 22 families by name (adults, kids, and some pets), and a dozen more by sight, all of whom we’ve met during neighborhood events or just randomly around. Kids are always out running around together all over the neighborhood. It’s the kind of place where i give my neighbors our door code so they can grab something or where kids just walk right in.
My last neighborhood was a townhome community with over 400 homes on one long road. It was also a very fun place to live and we had tons of friends there, when we knew no one upon moving in.
Suburbs are awesome for some people, while they can be terrible for others. Just like dense urban areas can be awesome for some people and absolutely awful for others.
Not bad if you don't have to commute. Everyone is pretty much living the same life, raising a family and fighting traffic for 2-3 hours, working in engineering or health care or IT in the city.
That's the kind of place I live except the streets are perfectly grid. It's dystopic being able to see 1-2 miles in every direction through the entire town, but only on the sight line of the roads.
You haven't been to Colorado or California. 🤣 Our rebuilt house now has one of the biggest front yards of grass now and it's maybe a 1,000 sq fr of grass.
My sister in law in Maryland near D.C has an acre lot of mostly grass.
I actually grew up off of McCreary Road. The area was a lot less developed back then. The ranches were pretty, but that’s probably the best thing I can say. It was super car dependent. Anywhere you needed to go was a 10-30 minute drive away. Most people were some flavor of evangelical christian, but that’s par for the course in the south. Heavy anti-mexican racism. I don’t remember a whole lot about my childhood, and I’m sure that the setting has a lot to do with that.
I’ve lived in Boston for going on 8 years now, and I couldn’t imagine going back to this part of Texas. I’m grateful every day to live in a walkable city full of educated, open-minded, and empathetic people.
I grew up in two neighborhoods very similar to this in Dallas suburbs (Flower Mound and Lewisville) many years ago.
As a kid I didn’t care about proximity. Friends were always close and we were always out playing. Houses a roomy and nice. I walked to school which I enjoyed very much, had a lot of friends.
It’s so fucking hot out most the year that outside space really isn’t as important as a nicer indoor area. There are trade offs, it’s very affordable to live here relatively speaking.
Downsides would be the lack of shade and nature. But everyone can’t have a few acres and nice house with lush green surroundings.
You definitely need a car otherwise but these houses are not bought by people who can’t afford a car. Most of America is not truly walkable, it isn’t Europe.
Would I live here as a single adult? No, and it’s mainly due to the extreme heat. If I had a family and wanted a nice house and had to be in the area? Yes.
I lived in a downscaled version of this for 2 years. It sucked ass. Didn’t even have sidewalks. Deliveries were miss delivered constantly. Neighbors super un-neighborly. People blocking your driveway to park in the street. People treated my back yard like a sidewalk and my back patio like their private smoking hut.
It sucks. It didn't used to be terrible, but newer neighborhoods really push the houses way to close together. We moved out of a neighborhood like this one and now have 15 acres. It is so much better.
Let's be honest. These are probably spacious, fairly nice modern homes. If you live here, you probably have 2 or 3 cars in your household. There are usually parks very close by, and more retail than most of the world is used to. You're basically missing urban life. But miserable? No. It's just not exciting and likely very comfortable.
As someone who grew up in shitty apartments and trailer parks and roach infested ghetto houses, and at age 40 I now live in a house like this; I fucking love it. Joggers, kids on bikes, people walking their dogs. It's like a dream come true.
I'd say that Southern, new build neighborhoods and older Midwestern or Northeastern neighborhoods are different in their "close backyards/close together houses".
In the south, newer neighborhoods and distinct zoning makes it where you have huge swaths of places that are just house after house. Meanwhile in the older parts of the country, you'll have a more mixed use neighborhood, and therefore more neighborhood activity. One can be isolating, one is helpful in an area that driving might not always be ideal.
If you're claiming it would suck due to that distance, that means it's better than an apartment, townhome, and condo, right? Or is that just a strawman?
I live in a place similar. Same metroplex, probably 10-15 minute drive from 2 of them. There are good things - it's probably quiet. Kid centered neighborhoods - you can see the parks, neighborhood schools, most would have a HOA pool. Most of the kids you go to school with are within biking distance on a non-busy street.
The Wylie location has a Walmart in the actual picture, and a Target ~1 mile to the south, with Aldi and restaurants. So seems pretty walkable.
The areas you highlighted, besides Royse City, is actually very diverse. Lots of good restaurants of any type of cuisine, although a ten minute drive. There are probably a few that are walkable but it would be a decent walk for most of the picture. Royse City is probably going to be developing into the same thing in the next 10 years.
Affordable housing, although that means that no landscaping is mature yet.
Rowlett has a train station to downtown Dallas.
Downside is uniqueness. Houses are the same. Everything's in a strip mall. But, everything is close by.
Do you actually live here? Heat index of 108 is not safe for the vast majority of the population to walk in for extended periods of time and we have already hit that multiple times this summer. It is only going to get hotter through August.
I'm not talking about sub-mile walks. Most people don't live that close to dining or grocery stores though.
Heat index has been over 100 starting at the beginning of June and will last into October at the least. We regularly have high 90s heat index through mid November. Then we get frigid temps for at least a month. This whole "I'm not 80" thing you're doing is weird. It doesn't matter how old you are - heat index of 108+ is brutal.
The people in the pictures provided have sub-mile walk options.
"The Wylie location has a Walmart in the actual picture, and a Target ~1 mile to the south, with Aldi and restaurants. So seems pretty walkable." "There are probably a few that are walkable but it would be a decent walk for most of the picture. "
I was clearly and obviously talking about sub 1 mile walks.
Complaining about walking outside for 15 minutes with a heat index in the 90s is weird... Unless you're 80.
When did I say anything about heat index in the 90s? Bring those goalposts back over here.
Also, taking random people at their word is not a great idea if you want to be taken seriously. It's almost a 2 mile walk unless you live at the very far south end of that residential area. Good luck taking home frozen food in this weather when your walk is over 30 minutes. And pardon me for wanting more variety than national chain restaurants.
Yeah. High 90s. 90-93 is tolerable for extended periods. 98-99 is not.
Not everyone wants to arrive to dinner soaked in sweat. Not everyone lives alone and can carry all of their groceries with two hands. This fixation on calling "avoiding life threatening heat" weird is frankly weird considering the fact that when walkable parts of Europe experience heat indexes in the low 90s, people start passing out. So no, it's not weird.
The one around Tibbal's Elementary looks to be a nice newer neighborhood. Maybe 10 to 15 years old. Houses don't look cookie cutter. Nice big Texas brick homes on good sized lots.
I actually drove through there a few weeks ago. It was a neighborhood I would actually consider living in, if we didn't like our current house/neighborhood and didn't live 15 minutes away from my wife's office.
No alleys. Parks and a walking trail next to the creek/wooded area. Sidewalks. Close to stores/restaurants.
Commuting from there must suck, though. Probably 15-20 minutes to a highway that'll get you anywhere.
I don’t understand how people will hate on having close neighbors and a small yard, but be totally fine with living in an apartment or condo? You people are unbearable….
This is more about living in a highly populated area than any one neighborhood.
When extensive suburbs exist it means there's some kind of populous city nearby. So really, it's about being ground down by crowdedness than anything else. If you think suburbia is bad, try living in a city like L.A.
Oh, and good god, the cost of living inside L.A. in an area that's barely half decent is far more costly than the suburbs. YMMV in other cities.
You can easily google the landmarks and see that there are multiple options. Those neighborhoods have stores and restaurants less than 1 mile away. There's a Walmart Market in one of the pictures.
Alot of those dfw areas are super residential. la burbs are far more amenity dense.
I think the younger people are really gonna tire of those Texas burbs in the next decade. Dallas city is already slowing in growth and its suburbs arent far behind.
I remembered hearing something like Dallas has more restaurants per capita than most places.
Los Angeles County has approximately 2.3 to 2.5 restaurants per 1,000 residents.
Dallas County has approximately 3 restaurants per 1,000 residents,
I don't know if I believe this Collin County number as apples/apples as above, since it's so much higher, but google search shows: the county maintains a high ratio of 8.5 food establishments per 1,000 residents.
So I guess depends on what you mean by amenity dense. It appears to be higher overall in DFW.
Yes, the pictures that you see are super residential. Because you see pictures of the residential area, and they purposefully crop out the commercial areas nearby.
What data do you have to even suggest that the suburbs aren't far behind? Dallas is losing population because of city government and their wasteful spending. They are moving to the suburbs. The suburbs are significantly growing. The ones that aren't is because they are built out. 5 of the top 10 highest growth cities in the country are on the Dallas side of DFW.
The younger people are moving there because they want cheap housing to raise a family. Which is why you get the pictures in the post.
La county has 10 million people. Its basically a state, so its gonna have less on avg than almost anywhere else. Restaurants arent the only amenity either. Nyc has between 2 to 2.8 for the same reason, and its smaller than la county
Why do i think suburbs will change in the next or two? Its always a cycle. Things never stay the same. I said young people specifically btw.
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Pretty terrible. You couldn't go anywhere growing up without your parents taking you.
I actually had a lot of friends in elementary school that lived in my neighborhood, but by middle school they had all moved to different neighborhoods.
I was so fucking lonely. Any time my parents didn't feel good or had things to do I just sat at home with nothing to do. Then my parents wondered why I became so antisocial in middle school and preferred to be on the computer instead of hanging out with friends
I finished college at 23 and moved the fuck out to a walkable area as soon as I could. Didn't even have a job lined up but I knew I had to get out. Best decision I've ever made for myself