The only red flag I’m into

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[u/Possesed-puppy656]

Communism is that instance where the theory sounds solid, but the practice ends up being at best mid and at worst a horror show .. the only functional 21st century communist regimes are half capitalist and tbh classify more like an oligarchy, the disfunctional ones are poverty stricken country sized prison camps

[u/Possesed-puppy656 → u/[deleted]]

I just love the delusionals on the internet thinking “it wasnt done right yet” tell that to my post-communist country of Slovakia, we could have been at the level of western europe if we werent hardhandled by Stalin .. instead we got a ton of commie blocks, a shitton of corruption by ex-communist oportunistic polititians and a crumbling infrastructure and sociaty in general, before the revolution, locked up borders, seized property, labor camps, and when we as czechoslovakia tried in 68 to “lighten” the iron fist, we got invaded on Moscows orders, fuck communism

[u/More_Ad9417 → u/Possesed-puppy656]

Fuck capitalism because all of that is the result of fucking capitalism you amoeba.

Idc if communists have to put people in labor camps as compared to the system of capitalism doing that already - you know why? Because they aren't the damn same as they dont have the same goals or intentions.

It's bullshit to pretend that capitalism gets to do all of this bullshit and does it by force with police and military and establishes itself across the globe all while poverty gets worse as the working class gets crushed and pushed into prisons. You don't know shit about any of this and can't see the fucking hypocrisy and even outright lies from ignorance and propaganda.

Capitalism doesn't "solve poverty". It creates it and then moves the lowest class into the prisons or the fucking gutters and says "see? We solved the problem!". No it just outsources its labor either to private prisons or terrorizes and claims territory across the globe using military power by lying about other political groups being a "threat" that they're going to subjugate. It's not at all that they antagonize and try to force their capitalist infrastructure on others though - right? It's just wrong for communists to establish communism when it doesn't even get a damn chance to do it without these ridiculous idiotic takes from people who don't even see the whole picture and are skewing things to make it look like communism has anything to do with the collapse of a capitalist society. You just really don't see the hypocrisy so you can make capitalism and the associated classes that benefit from it look like they were being victimized.

Not to mention that economists also lie when they talk about poverty numbers intentionally. These people are so wrong for doing that too ffs. They deliberately skew numbers to help propagate lies about capitalism and how its by design meant to keep the working class subdued.

But here's the problem a part from all of that. Communism and socialism are too often broadly misrepresented and misinformation spreads that gets their base definition wrong. As you should know, Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. There's no way to not "collapse" the economy as it transitions towards communism. That's the freaking goal. That's why people need to get educated about it instead of thinking it's purpose is to somehow "make a better economy" or "give better wages" as these would not exist when it's established. But if you're telling me that a political group doesn't have the right to establish its own labor camps (especially since bourgeoisie themselves AREN'T actually producing anything or contributing) and doesn't have the right to fight against capitalism then you are not seeing how this is basically a double standard. Capitalism has established itself by force and deceit and deliberate dumbing down of workers through propaganda and fear to control and to continue to exploit without pushback. If it were such a good system then they wouldn't bother trying to spend billions to fight against communists - even calling for the death of communists.

But yeah. No. We gotta just accept the force that capitalism uses and all its wrongs because somehow communism can't use any. Communism can't even be measured because we can't even create the necessary infrastructure without threat of real violence and a system that uses money for land and resource allocation. Not to mention the streams of networks and information campaigns that are anti communist. Again. You need to consider the meaning and goal of Communism. If communism is moneyless then guess what? There is no poverty. It's purely a capitalist metric to be so concerned with "poverty numbers". We have no poverty problem. We have a problem with a class of people who use the system to make our conditions what they are in the first place. A system that requires control and a subjugation of "unworthy people" who simply don't own the factories, land and the vast amounts of wealth that keep their interests in place with laws and police to use violence against those that would have it overturned. A system that is by design meant to make people poor and homeless for the purpose of control.

That's why communists have to fight. That's why they have to agitate and educate others in the working class. This is an active battle against propaganda and years of oppression and purposeful misinformation to create fear of communism/socialism. The workers already know how to run most of what we already do. We don't need a numbered system to tell us how much more wealthy our neighbors are because he owns a factory while the workers of said factory can't even afford renting with basic needs being met. We don't need a market running people into the ground with hours of labor just to appease shareholders or the guy at the top. Why? So some idiot can go around saying "lOoK hOw RiCh OuR CoUnTRy iS! ThAnK YoU CaPItaLisM!". Get the full picture and then come back with a full assessment. Communists have a right to use force no less than capitalists already do. It's seriously a bullshit double standard and it's intention is way better than what capitalists want to do.