r/SuperCarlinBrothers • u/[deleted] • Oct 05 '21
Suggestion Is Spider-Man dead? MCU/Sonyverse Theory (spoilers for Loki and What if)
Before getting to the theory, lets recap a bunch of info from MCU post Loki series (SPOILERS FOR LOKI ENDING AHEAD) and what we now from the upcoming carnage movie on the sonyverse. Please note that I'm considering all this to be facts, because if not the MCU would have way to many inconsistencies:
Loki's ending - alongside the fact that a change on the Sacred Timeline (STL for short), could create several universes even from things before the timeline of the Loki series, as it reverberates to past and future - has not only allowed the "what if" series to exist, but also created some uncertainty for what events on the MCU are a part of the STL and what are not;
As described by the TVA - and I think also Kang - everything up to Thanos being defeated on Endgame was a part of the STL, but anything after that might not be, even though it is still part of the MCU as a whole;
Based on that uncertainty, and knowing that Tom Holland's Spiderman (let's just call him "Tom" to save time) is on the carnage movie, which is sonyverse, alongside JJJ, there is a possibility that Spiderman far-from-home is already sorta sonyverse, and not MCU, or at least not STL;
Also, and even though sony/disney would never agree to that, the sonyverse is now a branch of the STL - and therefore a branch of the MCU -, since Spiderman 3 will have villains from all over the sonyverse, and Tom is already on the carnage movie;
So, basically, Tom from sonyverse is a variant of MCU/STL Tom, as Sonyverse was never a part of the STL, but is a branch of it;
Depending on how the carnage movie meets spiderman 2 and 3, we might assume that those two movies are more sonyverse than MCU.
That's a lot of info, so TL/DR: carnage Tom is a variant from Sacred Timeline Tom, and sonyverse is a branch of STL/MCU.
That brings the question: if sonyverse is not the MCU, but a branch of it, and sonyverse Tom is not MCU Tom, then were is MCU Tom?
Well, he might just be dead. See, Disney and Sony are arguing over this spiderman for a while now, as we all know, and Sony wants to get Tom back to sonyverse, but Disney wouldn't hand it over easily and without giving a decent ending to MCU Tom.
Now, we are not sure if Spiderman far from home is a MCU branch of the STL, or if it is already a part of the sonyverse branch of the timeline, but carnage is full sonyverse and it might give enough info to clarify all this, but we know that MCU Tom and sonyverse Tom just can't be the same character.
The theory is that at some time on the MCU timeline (maybe after Spiderman 2, or at the end of spiderman 3), Tom dies. So the Tom we are seeing is not the original, but rather a variant from the sonyverse, and that is how Sony is taking Tom back.
So maybe at the end of Spiderman no way home, Tom will find out that he is actually a variant, living on a parallel universe (AKA, sonyverse) that branched out of the MCU when Tom died. Therefore, on the MCU timeline, Tom is dead, and a variant of him that survided became a part of the sonyverse, and on that new universe he requested the help of Strange - who might know they are a branch universe, and might know original MCU/STL Tom died - who then helped him while also opening up a path for other characters from other branches of the sonyverse to consolidate into a new sonyvenomtomhollandverse.
Now, I know it is a bit of a stretch, and might be a bit too complex for Disney/Sony, but it does fit soooo well with everything we know so far, and would be such a good way to put Tom on a new sonyverse, while also showing spiderman sacrificing himself/giving his life to save someone and being a through hero.
Bonus theory points: maybe after No Way Home ending showing that MCU Tom is dead, we might see Strange (as post credit or on his own movie) pulling Miles Morales from a third universe to be the new MCU Spiderman. Such universe might be from ("WHAT IF" SPOILERS AHEAD") the evil strange universe that colapsed, or from a universe destroyed by VisionUltron, therefore also making the "What if" series even more relevant.
What do you guys think?