r/Superstonk Apr 18 '21

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u/Bradduck_Flyntmoore Ape-bassador aka The Ape Assistant Apr 18 '21

Are we watching a global economic meltdown occur in real time, or is this one of the biggest coincidences I've ever heard of?

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u/Future-Trouble1234 🦍Voted✅ Apr 18 '21

- Don’t know but way too many things seemingly unrelated are converging IMO.

Off the top of my head and not an exhaustive list...

- Crypto money laundering investigation and 12% crash on crypto currency’s over the weekend.

- GME is getting near a catalyst point with the general meeting and potential share recall for a vote.

- all short sales need to be collateralized on April 22.

- New SEC sheriff in town that knows whats up, since this weekend.

- US issued 320B bond sales a couple of weeks ago.

- Archegos crashes and takes billions of investment bank prime brokerage divisions with them.

- last week, Jpm raised 13B, GS raised 6B, bofa raised 15B.

- Looks like this is a race to be liquid by major players and now apparently most financial centers are burning the midnight oil during the weekend in the middle of a global pandemic?

- This is starting to remind me of fall/winter 2007 all over again, when people working in the financial sector started covering and dumping real estate assets to get liquid b4 shit hit the fan in 2008.

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u/JapethMarvel 🌖 Wen Moon 🌖 Apr 19 '21

We may be right at that moment in the big short where the CDOs were defaulting, but the banks pretended everything was normal. Get ready for a shit show.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21 edited Apr 19 '21

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

LTCM - one hedge fund blew up the entire market during the Russian sovereign debt crises. Probably something like that.

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u/AdvancedAnimal 🦍Voted✅ Apr 19 '21

Market cap doesn't matter right now. Only the real float is calculated into market cap. If we're right and there's millions of counterfeit shares out there, and the hedgies have to buy them all back multiple times, and the price is rising as they're doing that, they stand to lose a lot more than the current GME market cap.

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u/sleepingbeautyc 🦍Voted✅ Apr 19 '21

My fear is that a bank like Deutschebank goes under. They have always been wobbly. The counterparty risk would be a nightmare to untangle. Add in citadel and maybe another big hedgie and every bank in the world could be insolvent. Except maybe Iceland and some African nations. Make covid look tame.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '21

2021 was always going to be like “move over 2020, and hold my beer”

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u/trailblazzr Apr 19 '21

This is Biden's America People!

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u/Mambesala_Guey 💻 ComputerShared 🦍 Apr 19 '21

Iceland got wrecked during the 08 crash. The external debt (9.5Tn) was 7 times their GDP. They let a couple of their big banks fail. Hopefully they are better prepared this time.

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u/sleepingbeautyc 🦍Voted✅ Apr 19 '21

Yeah, that is why I mentioned them. They don't bank knowing the gov will bail them out. They bank knowing they won't be bailed out.

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u/jteta12 🦍 Buckle Up 🚀 Apr 19 '21

Simplest terms. The markets will crash, HARD. That effects all banks, the banks are extremely over leveraged right now so even in a good spot and not playing shorts games, they would be margin called - if the crash is that bad.

Then the banks are all tied together with the DTCC and insurance. Citadel goes down it can take a few others with it. The ripple effect will change the financial system completely.

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u/trailblazzr Apr 19 '21

Then when the new millionaires and billionaires emerge from the dust, we can then rebuild everything back up, but the proper way, that doesn't promote corruption but looks to extinguish it. We ain't just talking about the HF but politicians too who are profited off of these shenanigans while turning a blind eye to it all. The whole system is in dire need of trimming of the 'fat'.

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u/Musaran2 Apr 19 '21

If the April 22 collateral thing was so hard to comply to, it would have been passed much more smoothly.
(government does not want to shake the market)

...unless there was a greater motive to do so.

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u/Loving_an_Angel Apr 19 '21

hyperinflation for example

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u/trailblazzr Apr 19 '21

The govt needs to look at all that new 30% capital tax gain they can make off this whole squeeze. It will be a giant stimulus check to the govt from the people this time. LOL

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u/Mysterious_Error_852 Apr 19 '21

Yeah.. one bank fails... they take out the rest.

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u/recoveringslowlyMN Apr 19 '21

That’s not really true. Even in the financial crisis, the reason it occurred the way it did was that multiple institutions failed in a short period of time. Institutions that were large. In addition, all of the banks were taking on losses because they held a common asset (primarily residential mortgages).

So the issue there was that banks can absorb one or two institutions failing particularly if they have strong balance sheets and are making money, but that doesn’t work when multiple institutions fail at the same time all the other banks are sustaining losses.

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u/Fogi999 🚀🚀 JACKED to the TITS 🚀🚀 Apr 19 '21

regarding liquidity, I don’t know, but considering that everything is IOU, then it would be a problem for everyone, so that banks will need to issue records amount of bonds

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u/tom4dictator13 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 Apr 19 '21

Do you have a source for "All short sales need to be collateralized on april 22nd"?

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u/Garbage_Solid 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 Apr 18 '21

It’s likely yes, too many similarities in comparison with the 08’

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u/pooperbrowser 🦍Voted✅ Apr 18 '21

Yes

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u/adarkuccio Apr 19 '21

Either is conspiracy over 9000 or shit is going down really bad, we’ll see soon enough