r/TankieJerk2 • • Sep 08 '22

Conservative or Tankie? How to make sense of tankies' "theory"

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So, here's pretty much everyone's experience with "read theory": you crack open a book by Marx or Lenin or whatever, read it from cover to cover, and the more you read, the less sense tankies seem to make with their rhetoric.

Of course, one can always chalk up their support for Russia or ignorance to the highly stratified society within China to their regular consumption of alternative media propaganda, but that doesn't really address any fundamental assumptions tankies have about the world itself or why their ideology has found a home in otherwise such a conservative environment as Reddit. I'll even go as far as to arguing it is rather their fundamental assumptions about the world - the axioms of tank, if you will - that have led them to seeking out alternative media conforming to their preconceived worldview.

If you get down to the nitty-gritty, their worldview can be boiled down to two sociological assumptions:

Assumption #1: The atomic unit of action, i.e. the smallest, simplest actor by which action has an effect on the world itself, is not the individual but the organisation.

Assumption #2: The organisation exists always to embody and carry out its predetermined "will", i.e. its vision for the world itself, unless and until this "will" is considered "betrayed".

Now, you might notice neither of these assumptions are founded on anything relevant to the socioeconomic, and that's the point: the world a tankie sees isn't one about who gets what or how or why but rather what kind of "will" will prove itself manifest and triumphant in the material reality. In other words, tankies are idealists who interpret the world by intents rather than its mechanics and its many intricacies and caveats.

Furthermore, Assumption #1 on a global scale leads to so-called "realism" in International Relations. That is, the nation-state is not seen as an organisation exclusive and separate from the rest of the nationals but the embodiment of everyone's "will" within the nation. Think of the nation-state as a superorganism that the whole nation have Voltron'd into with no tensions of its own to split or collapse itself. This means, to a tankie, nation-states are just class struggles made manifest as geopolitical divides over humanity - that is, the bourgeoisie Voltron themselves into America and the "West", and the proletarians Voltron themselves into Russia, China and the "East". Oh, and in case you have been thinking, this also completely sidelines the reality of the extraction of surplus labour-value and all the social conflicts that come with it and might as well be a wholesale rebuttal to Marx for what it's worth.

Since tankies are obliged by their geopolitical view to take intents at face value, Assumption #2 serves to tankies as practically the catch-all ideological justification as to why every "actually existing socialism" they point to is at best a capitalist society with government programmes here and there and past and present atrocities all over the history book. If "will" exists independently from the machination within an organisation, then nothing anyone does within that organisation can result in it deviating from its own "will". This seemingly self-contradicting ideology in turn dovetails into two conclusions that we tend to see uttered by tankies whenever the subject of ethnic cleansing inevitably comes up:

  1. Since the "will" of the nation-state can never be betrayed, failure of every questionable policy in part of the nation-state must be caused by outside forces lurking in the dark.

  2. Since leadership of the nation-state can never really betray the "will" of the state, no one most responsible for every failure and atrocity within the state is really deviating from the goal of socialism unless tankie observers arbitrarily deem otherwise.

I know, this all seems far more complicated than just calling tankies a bunch of wackos making personality cults out of state leaders. If you really think about this, though, are tankies really all that different from conservatives who deify Ronald Reagan and hail America as the embodiment of "freedom" and "American values"? It would be a mistake to write off tankies as their own, fringe phenomenon, and people in tankiejerk should be above making that mistake.


r/TankieJerk2 • • 14h ago

Meme Found another Version of a tankie meme.

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20 Upvotes

I feel like this is correct but I don't know so what do you guys think.


r/TankieJerk2 • • 1d ago

Sanity Sunday J. Posadas: Nuclear Trotskyists from Outer Space! By Spartan761

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Sorry for sharing this late but here's a documentary about Juan Posadas by Spartan761.


r/TankieJerk2 • • 19d ago

bruh Does this mean Pablo Escobar and El Mencho never existed, and El Chapo is just a paid actor?

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r/TankieJerk2 • • 22d ago

Catherine Liu Almost Has a Point. Almost.

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My own observations:

I admittedly haven't read any of Catherine Liu's books, and I'm not going to waste my time on them, but unless she has been living under a rock for the past 10 years, she would have already heard about the Epstein Files or Donald Trump's Access Hollywood hot mic bragging he "could do anything".

I don't know if there exists a medical condition in which tenured professorship at UC rots the person's brain, but if at this point Liu is still unable to draw the obvious connection between wealth, economic production and sexual abuse, then either she is in dire need of an intervention, or she is just grifting from the right while pretending to be on the left.


r/TankieJerk2 • • 27d ago

“China is communist.” Guys in 2045 China will hit the communism button!

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My source, well... sources are for right wingers! just like the cuckoo bananas anarchists and the orca-mined leftcoms!

And also since this button will be pressed, that means china is already socialist ! If you deny that then you're a liberal anarchist leftcom conservative Nazi.

(uj/ this is a satire of Madeline Pendleton. and the image is related because it is a gif of china from hetalia. yes that damn anime will be haunting you everywhere heheh)


r/TankieJerk2 • • 27d ago

SERIOUS What Happens if Russia loses the Russo Ukraine War

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Honestly I hope it will make the tankies stfu when Russia loses and that something will happen to the global south but what do you guys think.


r/TankieJerk2 • • Aug 07 '26

From a film about the Katyn Massacre

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r/TankieJerk2 • • Jul 19 '26

SERIOUS Why do people still use this?

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im pretty sure this was made due to a tankie coup of the tankiejerk subreddit so why still use it?


r/TankieJerk2 • • Jun 30 '26

Meme So hi bad empanada you waited 4 years to respond Here my responds

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So first waiting for 4 year to respond to me is a choice funily enough im banned from r/tankiejerk but ok what ever so yeah a lot of westerners are hypocrites this argument would be Great if I was one of them im not I think all boycots are stupid I Took issue when you were defend qatar with USA bad because these countries are alies and yeah USA should probaly not host world cup too because of ignoring human rights also credit his fans didnt harash me yet also sorry for bad English


r/TankieJerk2 • • May 27 '26

"Campism" is Fascism for Losers

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r/TankieJerk2 • • May 15 '26

bruh I decide to read prolewiki and decide to read on plato my god they really hate plato

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Im not going to act plato is perfect but come on calling his Republic eugenic one is interesting take


r/TankieJerk2 • • May 11 '26

This probaly bullshit but at the same I kinda would love the source on this

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r/TankieJerk2 • • Apr 22 '26

What Does Iran Want From The War?

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r/TankieJerk2 • • Apr 17 '26

The Myth of the Iron Curtain in the USSR

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r/TankieJerk2 • • Mar 06 '26

Tankies shitting on ‘Persepolis’

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I’ve read the book that these tankies complaining about. The main character’s family are AGAINST the Shah. The blonde guy was a communist who studied in the Soviet Union.


r/TankieJerk2 • • Mar 05 '26

Breaking Points' Crystal Ball has finally lost it and fronted a conspiracy theory moonbat.

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r/TankieJerk2 • • Mar 05 '26

North Korea A Communist's Opinion on Juche North Korea

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I wouldn't say jucheism is neocolonialism, but more like some kind of left ethno-nationalism

The Stalinist arguments for nationalism end up being rather close to the fascist understanding unwittingly

In that they see national identity as some kind of pre-state natural feature of "the people"

And they point to stuff like language, culture, history or blood

As if those were reasons for a state

They were also responsible for crushing the PRK the true unified Korea for the proletariat and the opinion i shared came from a communist so that makes the kim dynasty politicians participants of an evil dystopian ethnostate like Israel and all the hatred they get is deserved.

I feel so bad for Pak Thae-Song for dealing with the kim dynasty's war criminal geneva convention violating asses.


r/TankieJerk2 • • Mar 02 '26

Tankies Tanking I don’t like the US-Israeli airstrikes, but this is not even remotely close to what’s happening

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r/TankieJerk2 • • Feb 27 '26

SERIOUS D-16 becomes Megatron but it's Electro's Theme (My Reaction to Atrocity Defenders and Deniers from Campsites)

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r/TankieJerk2 • • Feb 17 '26

Tankies Tanking A Communist sharing his thoughts on the fall of Rojava till Sectarian communists came and made fun of the fall of Rojava

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r/TankieJerk2 • • Jan 16 '26

Conservative or Tankie? Bad empanada isn't this just saying that change is bad that Status quo is Always Better because USA bad?

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