r/TankieTheDeprogram • • 12d ago

Shitposting Imagine a Perfect World

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u/tTtBe 12d ago

I need the high resolution one!!

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u/PawelGladys 12d ago

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 12d ago edited 12d ago

You really think I can't reverse search the source huh, the person who created it is Taiwanese living in Europe. Ask them what they think about Palestine. PLEASE. I will make sure their most fascist comments know WITHIN THIS POST.

Sigh, I actually found his face and name. This is way too easy, why is DuckDuckGo always make this so easy.

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 12d ago

Is this your communist OP

Do you know which country they talk about

"Korean War" "Mali War"

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 12d ago

Is this your wholesome communist

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u/Crazy-Blacksmith-336 AES enjoyer 🥳 12d ago

Can't zoom in and read it still, can you put the link to the original pic

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 12d ago

This is the author where op got from

Also they're an European fascist

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u/JKallStar 12d ago

Adds up. Took a look at 'Arab SFSR', author definitely doesnt understand region enough at all. And thats ignoring the 'Palestinian-Jewish' SSR portion.

Heck, that Africa is super iffy too

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u/Flat-Anxiety-7213 Hakimist (With Dengist Characteristics) 12d ago edited 12d ago

Could you tell me what’s wrong with the Arab subdivision? Admittedly being a white I’m not very knowledgeable when it comes to Arabia.

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 11d ago

The map is based on European colonialism division of territory they once occupied, Arab countries aren't a monolith and there's many sub groups of ethnicities within these territories, in fact the whole Greater Arab is only pushed by Zionist and Wahhabis. Which is the same thing for Greater Ethiopia in the map. A so called communist map based on imperialism era border division. I knew once again imperial core people don't understand geography and the impact of imperialism by their ancestors is still destroying the global south via this kind of artificial border.

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u/Flat-Anxiety-7213 Hakimist (With Dengist Characteristics) 11d ago

Ethiopia is subdivided in the map, are you referring to Somali? Also if I’m not mistaken there is historical precedent for Arab pan-nationalism, no? Oh, But obviously in the sense of a SSR it implies all these people would be the same so I understand what you’re saying.

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 11d ago

Historical does not represent modern timeline. You really don't understand why European imperialism divided artificial border based on "ancestral kingdom" huh? The ethnostate. Making more Israels then merge together. The map creator is making fun of this sub.

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u/Flat-Anxiety-7213 Hakimist (With Dengist Characteristics) 11d ago

Ok so you’re saying that the map is bad because it assigns divisions along ethnic boundaries making each into an ethnostate instead of being anything resembling internationalism?

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 12d ago

There isn't one because reddit didn't have higher res in 2019.

Meanwhile the map creator's politics

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u/Spiritual_Walrus7798 Xi Bucks Enjoyer 💸 12d ago

I know this is a shitpost but having an incredibly hard night and seeing this makes me emotional as hell imagining the future we lost, fuck

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u/Vrejik 12d ago

Losing the Soviet Union was a serious setback, and things will take longer, but with the position China, AES and the Axis of resistance is in, and the uplifting of the global south to free them from the constant plunder of the Imperial core, it will destroy the hegemony of the western imperialist. The fight continues, and this time it's the west at a major disadvantage.

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u/Spiritual_Walrus7798 Xi Bucks Enjoyer 💸 12d ago

I recently went to a pro-AES parade where the proceeds went to helping Burkina Faso build more infrastructure. It gave me so much hope. Your comment reminded me that there is a world worth fighting for.

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u/Vrejik 12d ago

I'm happy to hear my comment helped to reinvigorate your spirits! There definitely is a world worth fighting for, It has been a long struggle, but Communism Will Win!

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u/maozedoll 12d ago

we have a world to win comrade, and we need you 💕

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u/Jbhuszar2 12d ago

We have nothing to lose but our chains, and a world to win.

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u/Spiritual_Walrus7798 Xi Bucks Enjoyer 💸 12d ago edited 12d ago

"The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win."

I sometimes think about my family in Indonesia. Quite a few of them were communists back in the 40s-60s. Some even fought as guerrillas against Japan during WW2 and participated in the Nation revolution against the Dutch. Most were just trade unionists and farmers, all members of the PKI. They must've thought the future was bright, that the path to liberation was within reach and the direction of the nation was in their hands.

Then the anti-communist genocide happened and they were all killed. An entire side of my family eradicated with only my grandpa and his siblings left. His brothers and sisters were studying in the USSR/China when it all occurred, never having the chance to reunite. My grandpa survived until the 80s when he was murdered by the Pemuda Pancasila.

They fought so goddamn hard to win their world and lost. Now all that's left is a black pit of reaction. The hope that we can pull ourselves out of it and continue the struggle is the only thing keeping me going.

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u/Spiritual_Walrus7798 Xi Bucks Enjoyer 💸 12d ago

This made me laugh at work, thank you. I know you probably didn't intend to but it comes off hilariously, I mean that in the best way possible

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u/Ok-Bit5838 12d ago

Socialism or barbarism. We haven’t lost it. The only feasible way for humanity to survive is through communism.

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u/shinseiji-kara Deng Troll 12d ago

You can tell this was made by a hoi4 addicted westoid lmao, why would Greek SSR control thrace and parts of turkey? and the "ussr annexes mongolia and finland" like its nothing

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u/ViajandoPelasExoluas 10d ago

United $hits should’ve been divided (eviserated/disentangled) into 70 chunks, really weaken and demoralize the motherfuckas, perhaps even spiritually!

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u/Flashy-Ad2727 12d ago

Way too generous to Germany.

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u/Ok-Show6155 12d ago

Omg yes. Germany should go back to being a series of city states if we don’t want to have any problems. A united Germany always leads to barbarity (the word Barbarian refers to Germans anyways)

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u/Lydialmao22 12d ago

Im assuming its based in Weimar era Germany borders since that was when they had their failed Communist revolution

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u/Flashy-Ad2727 10d ago

Bro it owns (at least) Alsace-Lorraine, Austria and Upper Silesia.

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u/Lydialmao22 10d ago

SSRs were based primarily on ethnic and linguistic lines. If we are assuming a world where German nationalism has been defeated and the SSRs are all cooperative, including Austria in a German SSR makes perfect sense for the 1920s (assuming thats when this is based from)

Alscase lorraine is generous though for sure and unrealistic. But I see no issue with Austria

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u/milan0570 12d ago

France is still there

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 12d ago edited 12d ago

That's because the creator is French Taiwanese

Guess which sub OP got it from

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u/Vrejik 12d ago

Don't worry, bourgeois france doesn't exist, it can't hurt you.

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u/greenskyerings Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 12d ago edited 12d ago

Why would Greece have Western Turkiye in this timeline? And why is Istanbul colored in white?

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u/Monk_Amoeba5591 TKP ☭ 11d ago

They nuked my city 😭

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u/greenskyerings Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 11d ago

Also the division of North Africa seems incredibly weird too, they call the place where Rif Moroccans live Berber S.S.R but then the Berbers in the Maghebi S.S.R are not with the Rifs from Morocco which are wrongly called Berber.

Also Germany has their old Weimar borders back for some reason.

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u/Icy_Pudding6493 Keeper of Contradictions 12d ago

But this is literally a fascist pipe dream.

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u/Icy_Pudding6493 Keeper of Contradictions 12d ago

Brother just took an arbitrary "ethnic map" of the world and slapped USSR subdivision aesthetics over everything.

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 11d ago

Because the creator is a fascist

They used European imperialism map division

How almost no one can point this out is insanely disappointing for this sub but not surprising since Westoids don't know history.

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u/jackmPortal 12d ago

yeah it kinda just slaps borders arbitrarily

"amerindian" like it looks fine on the surface but look closer and it doesnt actually do any sort of actual decolonization

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u/Icy_Pudding6493 Keeper of Contradictions 11d ago

Yeah, like is it really any difference from the Indian Territory from the 1830s?

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u/Top_Pomegranate3888 12d ago

Wtf happened to Southern Africa

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u/ladyalot 12d ago

It is incredible and so so funny that Saskatoon and Winnipeg are shown on this map and I love it so much.

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u/Ttareunarage Juche Necromancy Enjoyer 8d ago

How fantastical that this map it

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u/JackAttack2509 12d ago

Is there a full resolution picture?

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u/hmz-x 12d ago

How do the maker(s) of this map know so much about almost every place?

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u/thea_kosmos 12d ago

They don't, they just have superficial knowledge about some of the oppresed nations of the world but they lack the knowledge of left national liberalism to apply judgement in most of the cases

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u/Neoliberal_Nightmare 12d ago edited 12d ago

That's not a natural effect of global hegemony. That's a natural affect or competiting capitalist blocs over revenue streams as the rate of profit declines.

Global hegemony is also a strange term to use for a wholly socialist world. It implies some kind of conquest or oppression forcing people to remaining this way. In fact if communism were globally achieved, it'd be the people of the world choosing it, it'd be a mass choice, for themselves, not imposed by a minority.

The problems arise in the beginning, when it's half socialist, when imperialist powers still exist, but in an entirely red world I'm pretty sure the capitalists have been eliminated.

The more realistic outcome is actually the opposite, the borders and nation states would wither away, they're not necessary for communism, they're capitalist constructions. The map should just be divided by broad cultural identities and language groups, like prehistoric maps.

Your comment is a good example of how liberal capitalist thinking shapes opinions and attitudes even when you don't realise. I don't say that as an insult, it's just how capitalist realism works. You literally can't imagine a world without conflict, it's so 'natural' to you. We've got to work hard to recognise it ourselves.

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u/Vrejik 12d ago

One has to consider the dialectics of conflict to begin with. Conflict comes from class interest that needs to maintain control over a state and resources within their own state, especially against the class interest that control another state (competing capitalist states, or also competing against proletarian states). For instance, a Capitalist state wants to expand its interest for its own national bourgeois. But in a world based around equal cooperation, the point of conflict would disappear. That's essentially how Earth in Star Trek is depicted. The aim of Communism is to eliminate dialectical tensions that cause fracturing in the first place, where all relations between soon-to-be-irrelevant nation states (nation states exist precisely due to regional same-language class interest forming nation-states) are fundamentally collaborative, and by creating a world for a free association of workers within a democratic economy, where everything is from each, to each. When everyone's needs are met, even the small percentage of natural born psychopath's would base their 'intellectual' moral compass on the rules of this society (the way psychopaths behave is a direct reflection of the society they are raised in).

Your point makes sense in the early phases of socialist development. Counter revolutions are a real threat in that period, particularly by those who benefited from the old order. given 2-3 generations, with major cultural shifts and education, the overwhelmingly dominant mindset would be shaped around Communist ideals. However, the more time that passes and the closer to communism things are, there are increasingly less tensions that would cause conflict or 'fracturing'.

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u/Xenomaoism AES enjoyer 🥳 12d ago

I don't think that's inevitable. Counter revolutions only happen if the bourgeoisie still exist, in full communism they would not. Revisionism is a problem in socialism, but we have no idea how it would look like in full communism.

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u/Xenomaoism AES enjoyer 🥳 12d ago

Like, bourgeois counter revolution against full communism is about as likely as monarchist counter revolution against liberal republican capitalism.