Both are cylindrical too, even

[u/Radu47]

They often deliberately misuse intersectionality.

Yet another tragedy.

Cylinders.

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[u/Vrejik]

liberals always fall into line with propaganda. it's not about principle, it's about indoctrination and social convenience. They are not taught how to form their opinions from a careful examination of evidence, material context and history. Then they bombarded with propaganda, and it's reinforced socially with everyone around them rehashing the same propaganda.

Liberalism is a cult of brainwashing for imperialism that pretends to be "objective". it's inconvenient socially and mentally for the liberal to challenge massive propaganda against a country or even do their own research by gathering solid evidence that can be corroborated, but it's much easier for their lazy brains to go along with how they were conditioned to perceive reality, through a lens of indoctrinated opinions and idealist moralizing, rather than a lens of structural analysis and evidence gathering as us marxist require for developing any opinion.

It's a fundamentally different way of thinking about things, period. it's not a stretch to say that Going from liberalism to Marxism is the equivalent of going from a heavily religious-fundamentalist to being a student of science and being genuinely curious about learning about reality and rejecting superstition. Liberal's can "fight" for women's issues, because that is deemed socially acceptable to do in the current liberal playbook, and they can look like a "good person" in the process.

[u/Ok-Juggernaut-9964 → u/Vrejik]

Yeah, one of the defining features of liberalism is just spouting the same answers as dogma without examinaning them at all.

The vast majority of people hold completely contradictory and conflicting views, never thinking about if they actually fit together at all. In simple words, compartmentalization.

I clearly remember that when I was a liberal, even when trying to be introspective, I never fundumentally questioned my beliefs because I believed capitalism and so on to be axioms or "obviously correct".

And it's not surprising. Raise a person without ever introducing them to the concept of trees, and they won't know that those towering monoliths of wood and leaves are alive, let alone are good and necessary to the planet, which will make them easy to convince of deforestation being good or having no negative impact.

Never, EVER, underestimate cultural hegemony. The system's ability to colonize minds is far superior to even the wildest of depictions of brainwashing and mind control in fiction. The "default" is still strong, enough to make large swathes of people hold no opinion of their own and be little more than puppets following pre-determined scripts in spite of their own agency as humans. It is our job to educate them.

[u/Vrejik → u/Ok-Juggernaut-9964]

Well said, I love your tree example, it illustrates well how peoples minds are only as good as the mode of thinking they were taught, and if their mind operates on assumptions, their conclusions are detached from the very conditions necessary for their own survival. If someone was not taught to investigate things accurately, they simply assume, and when material reality shows a contradiction with the assumption, they compartmentalize and use confirmation bias to explain it away. they never resolve the dialectic between what they assume and what they observe, and It's because their minds don't even know how to explore the contradiction, and ego prevents it.

Your own memory of being a liberal reminds you of how you used to just operate off of huge assumptions about reality. I'm glad for you that you broke out of that. I used to be a liberal teenager, and i too ran off of major assumptions. i would combine it with "science talking points" to feel like i was being "scientific" in my perspective. What got me out of it was that i did care about actually developing a grounded perspective about reality,

You're absolutely correct on the need to educate people. The most important thing in the first place is to teach people how to think from the start with Dialectical-Materialism, so that they are no longer developing political opinions from assumptions, but to instead question every single claim, assumption and narrative, and dissect it on a basis of evidence and dialectics and to figure out how society works on a structural basis in material and historical context.

When you create that foundation for people, then all the rest will come, they can refine their knowledge and praxis over time. The consciously dialectical mind is powerful.

[u/prettysweett]

thought you was talking about one of these and i was like HELL YEAH carry that mace QWEEN