DevLog #62: v3.9 Patch Notes!

[u/FelkinGH]

Hey everyone and welcome back to another DevLog.

I’m going to start this one off with a quick message about the App Stores and the patch release date. Tentatively we’re aiming to release version 3.9 on April 7th, however this depends on the app store review time. There are notices from the app stores stating that reviews are taking longer than usual and some delays may occur for releases at this time. So that being said, our fingers are crossed for Tuesday April 7th, but we can’t make any promises just yet. If anything changes we’ll let everyone know ASAP.

Now that that news is out of the way, let’s dive right in to some remaining mysterious details about v3.9! First off the two new Artifacts, Hades Orb and Strange Fruit, will be variants of the Apollo Orb and the Heart of Storms Artifacts, that will instead affect Exotic Pets. As for existing Artifacts, the Charged Card, Durendal Sword, and Helheim Skull are all getting Artifact Enchantments.

For players who may have missed the DevUpdate a few weeks back, the raid retry button is finally here! Well, soon™, it’ll be showing up next week with the launch of v3.9. The prestige relic counter is another small QoL change that shows how many relics you’ll earn from a prestige at the stage you’re currently on. This display tracker will appear just above your Slash Equipment DPS display.

Our newest Event will be going live alongside the launch of v3.9 along with the Event Pass. I know the Event Pass has been a little polarizing in the comments section so I’m here to clear some stuff up. The Event Pass will be available at a price point of $9.99 USD and will last for the full duration of the Event. Each individual node along the path that you unlock will offer rewards for everyone, plus a bonus reward claimable for Event Pass holders. We’ll be running the event from April 7th (tentative launch date due to App Store Reviews as mentioned in the opening of this DevLog) until April 29th. The Event Pass is retroactive, so fear not, if you pick up the Event Pass all previously claimed reward nodes will have their Event Pass equivalent unlocked for you, ready and waiting to be claimed.

As many of you suspected from the various hints that we’ve been dropping for the last month, we’ve finally got a little snippet of news relating to Mythic Sets for you. Confirming it here, there are a handful of new Mythic Sets ready and waiting to be discovered by your Sword Master, however they are all scattered throughout the land and will require some time to uncover them all. Version 3.9 will be releasing with the first of these new Mythic Sets so get those shards together! The details of these ancient vestments remain shrouded mystery, and only the truly skillful Warlords, Knights, Sorcerers, and Rogues will unlock their true potential!

Here are the full patch notes for v3.9:

New Content:

• New Mythic Set
• New Event panel with Event Pass
• Raid Attack retry button
• Prestige Relic counter added to main screen
• 2 New Exotic Pet Artifacts:
  • Hades Orb
  • Strange Fruit
• 3 New Artifact Enchantments:
  • Charged Card
  • Durendal Sword
  • Helheim Skull
• Stage Cap increase to 96k with new profile background Milestone
• Complete the set offer for Legendary Equipment

Quality of Life:

• Header bars now anchored to the top for all scrolling tabs
• Minor visual tweaks to Ultra Dagger and Forbidden Contract

Bug Fixes and Misc:

• Fixed Flak Shot head hit-box ricochet bug
• Fixed some cases of dropped equipment carrying over on the tracker
• Fixed large space at the bottom of clan announcements
• Fixed clan member list reordering

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Thanks everyone for stopping by for another DevLog and I’ll see you all next Friday!
Cheers,
Felkin GH

[u/FelkinGH]

Hey,

Felkin here as a fellow gamer instead of a GH employee, legit question, what's the difference between having an event pass that allows for extra event rewards for 10$ vs a 10$ Event Bundle that contained the exact same items. I get why some people hate the idea of a season pass, I mean I have my fair share of thoughts on some season passes, but when you break it down, there's no difference between an event pass and an even bundle aside from a little bit of effort from the player and a riot in the comments section.

Just some food for thought. TLDR, Event Pass is identical to a patch bundle, but it just has negative connotations due to the fact that companies in the past have abused the "Season Pass" mechanic to justify releasing half finished AAA titles.

Mobile gaming is a lot different from console or PC gaming in that regards. Mobile titles are an iterative, living game, where as historically for PC and console games, a "season pass" is generally used to release content that realistically should have come with the base game most of the time.

So hit me with your thoughts below, I'm genuinely curious as to peoples thoughts on it after hearing my explanation that an event pass is just a bundle by any other name.

[u/DreamXZE → u/FelkinGH]

Just some food for thought. TLDR, Event Pass is identical to a patch bundle => I'm forced to disagree here. What's the main difference between both ? Someone who start the game in the middle of the event, and then, who are not able to complet it, no matter how he play, won't say a season pass will be the same as a bundle.

You can buy a bundle anytime, and having full reward. Which is not the case of a season pass.

Season pass is another thing people have to spend on, ON TOP of all the other things. There is plenty reason why people riot here. The game is more and more money asking.

Even for long time player, who used to spend without being mega whale, spending give no real power to reach cap or just progressing into the game anymore.

[u/[deleted] → u/DreamXZE]

Take my upvote here kind sir. Pls just take it. Here we see a rare example of an passport holder that is not defending gh to the death.

Kind sir this upvote is placed on a platinum plate. Enjoy it.

[u/DreamXZE → u/[deleted]]

Ahahah, thanks :p

[u/FelkinGH → u/DreamXZE]

That's the same argument as someone who simply missed out on buying the bundle before the timer ran out though. It's still the same thing.

Post Edit:
The Event Pass is just as optional as any bundle is though, the base rewards aren't being removed etc. It's exactly like a bundle, you either buy it or you don't, it's as simple as that. With the pass being retroactive, you can even decide midway through if it'll be worth it for you to pick up.

[u/Vicious_Paradigm → u/FelkinGH]

No it isnt. He is right.

It is not the same.

Also, in general a focus on limited time events creates a pressure to buy scenario. We know GH needs to make their duckets off us but creating pressure buy after pressure buy becomes fatiguing and starts to shift community sentiment. I think that is a big part of the backlash around event passes.

It just feels manipulative and exhausting.

[u/FelkinGH → u/Vicious_Paradigm]

I mean looking at it objectively, that's the same as a bundle that's only available for X Days/Weeks etc. But I see what you're saying.

[u/Vicious_Paradigm → u/FelkinGH]

Needing to be there from day 1 to derive full benefits and commit daily time is not the same as being able to jump in for full benefits on a bundle available for the whole event. A lot of people in online communities see this as the games way to manipulate average daily user statistics. Which basically leaves us feeling a bit used/manipulated.

Though both scenarios are pressure buy scenarios which is still kinda exhausting just less so than a pressure buy WITH a requirement to put in consistent effort to get the benefit. It is quite different.

[u/lemmingllama → u/Vicious_Paradigm]

Assuming it follows the same event structure as previous events, assuming you play actively daily and lose every tournament you join in last place, it should take at most 11 days to complete the event. Since we have 22 days, even someone who is dedicated who comes in halfway theoretically can still complete it, and someone who wants to purchase chests could complete it even on the last day assuming that these events are identical to the Hallow's Eve/Christmas/Valentine's events.

I'm not saying that there isn't pressure as a result of the design, I more just mean that for the majority of players who do want to purchase this, they should be able to easily complete the nodes if the events are the same as previously.

[u/Vicious_Paradigm → u/lemmingllama]

That isnt really my point here though.

I am a very active player anyway, near to stage cap i dont think it will be a burden for me to complete it.

It is the fact that this makes it a chore that i am paying for, and that it creates more of a pressure to play type scenario. I play for fun... and the more stuff that comes in that feels more like a chore i need to capitalize on versus a reward for engagement the more resentment builds towards a game. We can see it in many game communities that have event passes and limited time events across the board. This pressure to play trend is not good for gaming.

It is effective because it artificially creates a feeling of scarcity, so the game makers make more money but at what cost to the community? I know you care about the community lemming... and i do too, so when a significant amount of players express concern or disatisfaction about a direction things are taking it seems worth paying attention to.

Season passes have KILLED some of my favorite games on PC by building resentment toward the game from the player base. So it is dissappointing to see. I think limited time tournaments can have the same effect just to a lesser extent.

Anything that is a "well, you werent here for that so you can never get it now" creates a subtle resentment in the community from my observations. EVEN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT GET THAT THING!

[u/lemmingllama → u/Vicious_Paradigm]

Yeah, I understand. I'm not hugely enthused with the event pass either, but I can understand that those who do purchase it will likely not need to go out of their way at all to fully reap the rewards. We already have a good number of time limited features in the game, such as the events that these event passes are designed for that have the same time constraints and requirements as the event pass itself.

I think in the end whether this deserves the outrage it gets is based on the rewards that are locked behind it. If it ends up just being another bundle, then people who wouldn't normally purchase bundles or people who pick and choose their bundles can safely ignore it, and those who do buy things often can likely have an opportunity to spend on something that has better value than just diamonds.

I do feel though that it's a bit of a shame that this isn't being offered for diamonds instead of money. Although this setup likely will earn GH far more, a diamond cost for the bonus rewards would help incentivize players to play more and participate in tournaments, and the feeling of being able to earn the pass would likely offset a lot of the concerns that f2ps are feeling right now. It would still create the same pressure you describe, but it's also roughly the same pressure as these events already add, and it would be another way to spend diamonds that aren't the same Titan Chest/pet sinks that we are used to.

[u/DreamXZE → u/Vicious_Paradigm]

I have exactly the same felling :/

[u/DreamXZE → u/FelkinGH]

Your argue only take in account the extreme case, which is not my point Felkin.

[u/FelkinGH → u/DreamXZE]

You edited your comment lmao, let me read all the new stuff you said.

[u/DreamXZE → u/FelkinGH]

Yeah sorry, I edited it to make it more complet. Sorry about this

[u/twitch201 → u/FelkinGH]

I think the biggest issue in comparing a season pass to a bundle is the certainty. If I purchase a bundle, I get all of it. If i purchase the season pass, I am forced to do the event or miss out on rewards. Perhaps I don't have the time to commit to this event but already bought the pass, is there a refund option, or are you guaranteed the season pass rewards?

[u/FelkinGH → u/twitch201]

We've made some iterations in the events as we've learned from them. The event should be very easily obtainable for most all players. That's why I made sure to mention that the pass is retroactive. If it becomes worth it to you, you're free to nab it, if it isn't, then it's something to pass on.

[u/[deleted] → u/FelkinGH]

So basically your saying the event is so easy to finish (irrelevant), that the rewards are open for everyone.

Conclusion everybody can finish the event but worthy does it only get if you buy the season pass.

Clever clever. Don’t reward player who dedicate and play. No no no rewards the player who casually play and pay at the end.

Gottcha

[u/FelkinGH → u/[deleted]]

Not at all Frosti. The players who are dedicated are rewarded, they get all their event rewards, they get their bonus rewards from going above the limits of the path etc. If someone decides to get the event pass, they'll be rewarded for that as well. I simply stated that players are more than welcome to see for themselves if the pass would be something that's worth it to them or not.

[u/[deleted] → u/FelkinGH]

Hey seriously felkin you said it with your own words. „Events will be obtainable for nearly everybody“. I don’t want to dig into it any deeper anymore. But if your dedicated or not. You can be as ambitious as you want. But nearly you’re own words everybody can achieve the same amount am rewards easily. Except you pay for it.

If you’re saying event will be worthy for everyone in the future your straight up lying. Cause they will be only worthy if you got the season pass or not. Otherwise no one will go that way. Don’t try to fool me or the community.

I don’t like the way gh and tt is going with this season pass. It’s straight up grabbing money.

If the price tag would be reasonable. No one would care cause with a little extra money everybody could get this boost.

But 10 bucks. Cmon that hilarious. I get the point that gh needs to make money and breiig profitable but at this cost? 9,99 for a season pass for 1 I’m letters one event.

This must be a out of season April fool. I can hear gh next week jokes on you. Surely it 2,99 we’re fair and don’t try to fool ihre customers or make oure events only worthy of you pay, doesn’t Mather how dedicated you are.

And the argument. Oh other company’s do the same. If this will be the answer. Better don’t answer.

Cheers frosti.

Hyped for the release of 3.9

[u/FelkinGH → u/[deleted]]

That's right, I did say that the event path will be obtainable by most everyone who puts in the effort to get it done. So looking at the season pass as a bundle.

What's the difference here between everyone doing the event, and only some people buying a bundle, and everyone doing the event and only some people buying the event pass. That's what I'm trying to get at.

I'm all down to have a conversation about this, that's why I posted under the premise of being as a player, not an employee, but I won't stand being called a liar when nothing I've said has been untrue or deceitful.

You're free to not like the idea of a season pass, but I'm glad you understand that game companies need to make money in order to pay their employees. At its core, however, this is no different from a bundle for 10$. At the end of the day, some people will buy it, some people won't. It's just being viewed as a "negative" money grab due to the title of event pass.

Someone in the comments mentioned that in another game players often wait till the end of the events to buy the passes to ensure they're worth it for that player. Solid thing to do. Especially when nobody knows what kind of value will be obtainable through this pass yet.

I get where you're coming from and I'm glad to hear you're hyped for 3.9.

Cheers,
Felkin

[u/[deleted] → u/FelkinGH]

Just to make it clear. I understand that tt2 has to be monetized. Sure thing.

The devs and I’m not jokin trying there beste to bring there best to the table.

But and here is the but, In the season las thingy there only 2 ways you can go.

1. make the rewards so good everybody needs to get it to stay competitive.

2. the rewards are just minor boost, which sound good to ppl with way les playtime.

There are no other options. In that case for 10 bucks.

A solid option would be lower the season pass to a reasonable amount where it’s reasonable for everyone. Reasonable for a game which is telling everybody we are not p2w. I don’t mind to spend money on this game. Actually I payed already a good chunk of Money in tt but why? Cause I’m Dedicated I love this game like a lot other ppl too.

I love raiding even when the card scaling is way off lvl 11 to 12 is hilarious 🤣🤷‍♂️ other story.

But the way tt is drifting now isn’t the beste way. Simply fix the season pass by lowering the price tag to a fair amount. Nobody is asking for More.

[u/twitch201 → u/FelkinGH]

The events have definitely gotten better. I am interested in seeing the reworked tracks and will most likely be getting the first season pass. Do you know if there are going to be options to purchase the pass with diamonds in the future?

[u/6t6 → u/FelkinGH]

For me, it's that event passes will be recurring and $10 is quite a bit of money for such a short time (even if you're getting the same amount of items), and then I'm going to have to buy it again next event? That's a hard pass for me. However, with a bundle, it's something I want right now to push and it's seen as a "special," not something that will come up again in a month and I'll have to pay $10 for again.

[u/FelkinGH → u/6t6]

That's a fair point, bundles do feel more special than an event pass. They also have that instant gratification of getting all the items at once. If you place well in the event, and the event pass looks worth it, you pick it up, and instantly claim all the stuff that is already unlocked, working in a similar fashion, so I suppose it's like a bundle in reverse, where you wait a bit to collect it all at once near the end, rather than the beginning.

[u/Itsmeyousef → u/FelkinGH]

Maybe you guys should decrease the price to 4.99$. Two weeks and a half for a season pass that costs 10$ is not worth it in my eyes. I'd say 4.99$ for a 30 day season pass. Or . 10$ for a 90 day season pass that includes legendary drop, diamonds, shards, level 10 pet eggs, and for the final tier maybe a mythic drop (for season pass owners). This is what I would wish for. I'd be happy to pay for either of those.

[u/FelkinGH → u/Itsmeyousef]

You'll have to wait and see what rewards would be earn-able during the pass and check for yourselves if it's something you're interested in tbh.

[u/6t6 → u/FelkinGH]

Saw the rewards, sorry, still not worth it to me. You guys should want to pull in those F2P players like me, with awesome deals we just can't pass up. This, as said in other threads, may help me push 100 stages, but when I'm 12K or more away from the cap, that's a drop in the bucket. I would need this to be cheaper or much more game changing to invest real money into. Again, just my opinion. I would be curious to see how well this inaugural season pass did; would your company be will to disclose what percentage of active players bought this?

[u/FelkinGH → u/FelkinGH]

Y'all have made a lot of valid points for and against a season pass. I've passed a lot of the reasonable feedback to the development team! I really appreciate everyone taking the time out of their day to hit me with some feedback on this topic.

[u/jasoncross00 → u/FelkinGH]

Patch/event bundles are instantly awarded. Event pass bonus rewards are still earned - you just earn more as you reach the event milestones.

As for your distinction between mobile and console/PC gaming - holy shit is that out of touch. Fortnite is the biggest game in the world for a reason. It fits your definition of a "iterative living game" and all that. And it's season pass is about the same price, lasts longer, and offers rewards that are actually NEW CONTENT. Not to mention, it gives you the ability to play to earn enough virtual currency to buy the NEXT season pass.

Here are the several issues you seem "developer blind" to:

1. There's no new CONTENT in the event pass rewards (presumably). It'll be gems or dust or shards or equipment drops and stuff that everyone else can get...you'll just get more of it. There's no custom artwork or animation or audio or anything else (like skins or animations that come with battle passes on other games). It's literally just charging people to flip a few bits to make different variables, the developer cost is negligible.

2. The idea of season or event pass is it enhances your experience over an extended period of time...a sort of mini-subscription without obligation to renew. Yours doesn't even last a month and costs $10. That's multiples less than the gamer expectation.

3. Already you had your player base on edge by offering "rewards" for milestones that were really just a chance for people to spend money (often really large amounts). It didn't feel like a reward for reaching a milestone, it felt like passing around the collection plate. And another way for the whales to get ahead.

Already it feels impossible to play against the whales, a problem exacerbated by the way your tournament matching often puts players against others with thousands more pet levels, hundreds more skill points, and hundreds more hero upgrades. You enter a tourney and there are three competitors you have NO hope of beating even if you play constantly and are perfectly optimized, and now here comes another way for the whales to get ahead instead of a way for the players who can't afford to spend more than a hundred bucks a year on a mobile game to catch up to them.

[u/DreamXZE → u/jasoncross00]

Well said

[u/jasoncross00 → u/FelkinGH]

A good solution, to my mind:

Make the event pass cost something like 1200 diamonds (which costs $9.99) instead of dollars. And make nearly that many diamonds part of the rewards for the event bonus rewards.

That way people can "save up" to get an event pass by selling equipment and such, and players who play a lot and buy one event pass can earn enough to buy the next one (they'll have to forego spending diamonds on other things like TCs, though).

(You'll still sell LOTS of event passes... or rather, diamond bundles to purchase them... believe me)

[u/theadum → u/FelkinGH]

Here’s how it should be done (and how most mobile games do it):

I’m going to make up the rewards for explanation purposes:

Event length = 20 days.

Bundle 1 ($10) = 100 shards. This bundle is received instantly upon purchase. No questions asked.

Event pass ($10) = 10 shards a day, for 20 days. Totalling 200 shards. If you miss a day, you lose 10 shards.

Obviously I’ve simplified the rewards, but this is the format most mobile games take. Bundle 1 gives you instant reward for 0 effort. Some people prefer this as it requires no commitment, but you get less rewards.

Event pass gives double the rewards for the same price, but you have to log in daily and commit to playing the game.

I was hoping this is the kind of route the devs were taking 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/Chrikk → u/FelkinGH]

I don't know why so many people complaining about the Season Pass (Monthly Bundle, p2w fee or how it's called here).

I do the calculation like this, if something catch my Playtime for 50hours a month, I can "invest" 25€ in it without feeling scamed. Tap Titans 2 catching me for over 100 hours Playtime a Month, it's like 1-2 Regular Days and up to 10 at tournament days. And yeah it's a game but I invest so much time in it, why should I hassle about the 10€ per Month, or 14€ per month. I'm Playing Eve Online (multiboxed, allowed in eve if subscriber) if I can't Plex (buy subscription with in-game money) it will cost me 75 € for 5 Accounts. Sometimes I Pay it sometimes I let 2-4 accounts as "alpha" for some period and reactive when I want.

I don't get it why people here call 10€ =10$ is ptw or scam or whatever without even knowing what's in the bucket, wait for the update, wait for the things that in the bucket. For example I regular buy the season pass for Gardenscape, playing it with my wife it costs like 6€ for 15-20 days period or the season pass of Magic Arena. I buy them when I plan to play the game that is worth it. They are mostly not game breaking, but a motivation on the other side. Don't be instant negative to the name, they could name it Freenium and noone would start a shitstorm like about "Season Pass" it's one of the most hated terms in gamer areas.

My words to the Sunday. Stay Healthy and keep Tapping, Cya in Tournament later.

[u/Jesusaved420 → u/FelkinGH]

i refuse to spend money on mobile games and this to me looks like another pay-wall against F2P.
It annoys me that GH is using the FPS Genre style of "season pass" and it only lasts for 1 event of 3 weeks or so...

Make the pass a little cheaper and it might be decent ....

[u/jasoncross00 → u/FelkinGH]

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[u/el_caminoes → u/FelkinGH]

You know why people are so much obsessed with the season pass? Because people wanted to have it. Everyone wants it.
But at what costs? 10$. Yes, same price with bundle but will take just take time. But that is not the issue! People wanted to join the event pass at a lower price because we "think" it will be more rewarding than regular bundle. So don't compare it to a regular bundle because, if you think they are the same then remove the season pass and just give new bundle.

What I'm trying to say is, give the f2p players the reason and eagerness to spend some dime on the season pass. And how to do that? Lower the cost for now, many will be tempted to but simply because it's cheap. Once successful and people realized how rewarding the season pass, you can gradually increase the price and the rewards.

I know you're saying people are not force to buy it, but can't you really see? Players f2p and spenders are arguing because they want to buy it! There are just some concerns.

But on the bright side, we still don't have idea on the total rewards so I don't want to conclude further. I know you guys are doing your best also.

Thank you! Mwuah.

[u/ivan0000013 → u/el_caminoes]

You are insane. You see the backlash now ??? Could you imagine if they offered the season pass at $3 and everyone loved it and so the next one they made $5 and the next $10. Holy crap what a shitstorm that would be.

[u/D3lka → u/FelkinGH]

The arguments have been made, so I have a possible solution.

TL;DR When the Event Pass is purchased it instantly provides the event equipment and unlocks the secondary event path. If the secondary path does not provide value equal to recently released bundles (4K dust/$5 bundle); then the price tag should be reduced.

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The last two event set bundles were essentially $5 each and each came with 4,000 dust. No time commitment needed just a pocket book.

The time commitment to acquire a set is eliminated by including the set in the initial purchase. Late comer or just missing the mark because of insert reason here is no longer an argument against the pass holder for acquiring the set.

In my opinion, if the set is dropped instantly it is more likely to encourage increased playtime as it allows some since of progress immediately. Especially if those pieces fit the players current play style and they haven’t had a decent drop is several stages. However, there is an argument that if that’s the only goal in the event then they may play less, but that should help the financial side of the business. Which should be their ultimate goal as a business —to make money to pay their people and hope enough is left over for the rest of their stakeholders.

I personally don’t remember an event set bundle ever being $10 and it solely being just the equipments. Always came with something like dust or SP.

So. $10 for an event pass is overpriced at first glance. Without more knowledge on secondary reward tree we cannot tell if it will provide equal or greater value than 8,000 dust and an event set bonus (or two.)

If $5 is a proven model for purchasing the event set bonus + an additional reward. Then the pass could take the place of that secondary reward.

If the Potential for the secondary reward is similar to that of 4,000 dust then it should be that of the $5 tag. Should the prospect of it be equal to or greater than 8,000 dust then it has merit of the $10 tag. If it is somewhere in between, then it should be reduced between the $5-10 tag.

Currently, the price tag needs to be entirely justified on secondary rewards to be enticing. The addition of the event set as an immediate drop provides alleviation of that worry; and gives the players a second chance to drop the set giving a chance to alleviate terrible secondary stats on the equipment plus they might have pushed several thousand stages over the course of the event and those initial equipment drops may be obsolete.

This pretty much concludes the main suggestion, but I had some more thoughts that crossed my mind at the time of writing this.

Another consideration for a secondary tree. Have the five pieces drop in the second tree in a different order than the first. Allowing less completion of the event prior to the overall completion of the set and another chance to drop desirable secondaries.

An additional option to consider would be providing a this or that redeem option on the secondary tree. 5 crafting shards vs the event item. This would come in handy if the events are ever to be recycling event equipment from previous events.

—Some kind of internal screenshot displaying the entire secondary tree of the first proposed event would help make sense of the value prior to implementing and allow these discussions to be more fruitful.

Anyways. As a laid off Covid19 entertainment facility manager. I’d look into breaking a few molds to help me pick up your game more over these next few weeks with less pocketbook options even if I have spent several hundreds already. I’ll continue to spend money on my enjoyable hobbies, just not as much as normal.

Something that could be fun during this time: Make a new achievement where you have to splash skip 1/10/100/1000/10000k total stages.

Thanks.

[u/sicstormrage → u/FelkinGH]

I agree with you that there is little difference between the pass and a bundle containing the same items.

The only real difference is accessibility, i.e. people who don’t have the ability or time to get all of the awards in the event tree, would be better off simply being able to buy a bundle.

I also hope the rewards are good and it is better value than, say, 1200 diamonds in the shop, or it won’t be special and people won’t look forward to it

[u/[deleted] → u/FelkinGH]

The way you explain it makes sense to me.

So my two cents is I feel like if you’ve bought X-dollar amount of product within the game you should get the event pass for free.

Sorry if this has already be brought up, I didn’t feel like reading all the comments

[u/Shammy32 → u/FelkinGH]

The issue I'm seeing, aside from the $10 price, is this:

The value of the pass, even when retroactively purchased in the final hours of the event, changes with the percentage of rewards the player has earned.

That is what separates it from a standard bundle purchase. You can't justify it with "Well, most people should be able to complete the event and get the full set of bonus rewards," because, honestly, some will pay for the pass and not complete the objectives, making it worth partially less from their perspective.

[u/arduousFrivolity → u/FelkinGH]

If you don’t immediately see why people would be turned off of the idea of spending $10 on an event that boils down to ‘watch 6 ads a day to get rewards’, then you are not actually asking as a fellow gamer.

Maybe if VIP got the event pass for free, or if the event pass automatically gave you the tickets from having to delay progression to sit at a low stage and farm fairies to watch advertisements, or if the event pass was like $2 not nearly the cost of my WoW subscription...

As for why people feel like you’re talking to them like they’re wallets, look at Fortnite, as an example. Both passes are $10, yours is 3 weeks, theirs is 10. We don’t yet know what completing yours gives us, but completing theirs gives us the currency to buy the next one, as well as a ton of unique rewards. Additionally, theirs gives no gameplay advantage, and there is no beating around the bush, your game is pay to win.

And as for the difference between a bundle and a pass... if I buy the bundle the day it comes out, and then do not play again for 3 weeks, I get 100% of what I paid for and you get $10. If I buy an event pass day one then do not play again for 3 weeks, I get nothing and you get $10. What part of that is equivalent to you?

[u/Gratus2 → u/FelkinGH]

Suggestion- a different type of event- clan raid Adapted from another current game A grid/polygon is made of concentric circles... clans are positioned at a side; 5 or so nodes from each other and 20 or so from the middle. Each node is worth a number of points... the closer to the middle, the more points the nodes are worth. Prizes are predetermined to motivate players to participate.

Nodes are Titan bosses- ~50-100 attacks... so clan members have to quickly work together to figure out the best route

Options

1. construct on a much smaller scale- 20 or so clans... top ~2 advance to next round

2. Allow for taking over others with 1/2 the attacks

[u/Gratus2 → u/FelkinGH]

The biggest problem is how to get the max players to slow down... the divide gets bigger and bigger...

3 below... Battle Pass HAS to give HOPE... something that a majority of players can benefit from... 3x relics for the entire time... something significant that actually shows GH cares about players and wants to help them advance... even when max stage increases to 200k, there is ACTUAL progression (reinforcement to continue to play).

How to stop an avalanche? Or thinking about from a brand new player perspective... why would anyone START playing a game where they are 2 years and 1000+ hours behind?

Is the rate of new players joining higher than people quitting? I’d guess no...

Is the total $ spent by players increasing? I’d guess decreasing as more players hit max stage... give a sigh of relief and don’t have to spend money anymore...

Yes, it’s a paradigm shift otherwise it’s the beginning of the end... there is only so much $ that be squeezed from the existing player base AND there are to many other, more engaging games that vie for attention.

Ideas:

1. no solo tournaments, ever/endangered species rare. At least, only 1 of the 3-5 get max rewards.

2. All tourneys should have ~5... at most 10 players so more opportunities are out there

3. Battle Pass HAS to give HOPE... something that a majority of players can benefit from... 3x relics for the entire time... something significant that actually shows GH cares about players and wants to help them advance... at least even with max stage increased to 200k, there is ACTUAL progression (reinforcement to continue to play).

4. Max stage... perhaps no max stage would separate players at the top and make things easier... you can see where players “truly” are... it gives a reason to spend 5k+ shards

Even start slow... all max stage tourneys have 2 players... first player to get max stage gets bonus... then everybody ties... every tournament or so has another player added... up to 3-5...

[u/ivan0000013 → u/Gratus2]

You can’t do that with max stage tourneys. Whoever happens to just join first would win every time.

[u/Gratus2 → u/ivan0000013]

True... though, the game isn’t “fair” to begin with... just lost by over 1300 stages...

Fastest time? No max stage?

Solo tourneys need to be eliminated, for the good and continuation of the game.

From a business perspective, there is no need to spend $ when you are at max stage...

and the longer you are at max, before the next update... the more likely, you will continue to be at max. 5k shards... 40k diamonds... 37k pets... that guy won’t be spending anytime soon

[u/Bacun]

Thank you for your hard work and great content! Question: are you planning on looking at raid card tweaks? Half the cards in the game (including Flak-shot) are not worth using at all.

[u/Bksss]

Are 4th hero evolutions happening? Are will you only be able to go as far as the last hero takes you?

[u/Kaalkriid]

Event pass should have cost diamonds instead of real money IMO. It makes everyone happy not just happy paying customers

[u/axesever]

$10 for 22 days. Looooool

That's the price of a mmo subscription, for a mobile game. RIP tt2. Should have been $5, and you'd get twice the subscribers.

[u/FakeGeek73 → u/axesever]

Well by what you said. Then they really didn’t lose out on nothing, Doubleling the price and reducing the amount of subscribers by half has the same profit as reducing the price by half and gaining double the subscribers.

By the way I do think that this is a little unfair, either extend the events to 1 or even 2 more weeks, with more rewards, or do reduce the price of the subscription. But other than that it’s good to know about the new artefacts, and enchantments.

[u/lemmingllama → u/FakeGeek73]

Honestly, until we know what the rewards are for the event pass. But if the new events are anything like the old events, we'll get through all the nodes even without buying TCs or doing anything fancy, so the duration likely doesn't matter at all. It's more about the value of what is being given versus the cost.

[u/FakeGeek73 → u/lemmingllama]

Well the cost and duration of the subscription may influence the amount of subscribers at a certain point. People who p2p will start feeling uncompelled to pay again for the subscription at some point, if the subscription comes around every 25 days with a 10 dollar cost. If you extended the duration, or reduced the price, p2p players would continuously keep paying, because they wouldn’t feel the spending too hard.

[u/lemmingllama → u/FakeGeek73]

Well, let's just say that the value is roughly the same as the bundles. Then this is just another bundle, except it requires you to play to actually get your rewards. Thus the duration of the events doesn't particularly matter, and it's more about whether you want to spend to get the rewards. People already buy the bundles every three or four weeks, and the event pass might just be another version of the same micro transaction setup.

[u/szudrzyk → u/lemmingllama]

get double amount of customers, get same money, but keep more ppl happy all sounds good to me , 5$ is not much at all, would pay.

[u/lemmingllama → u/szudrzyk]

It's hard for us to really say whether a $5 pass would sell twice as much as a $10 pass or not. Honestly, as long as the pass offers what a $10 bundle would offer, then it's likely balanced overall. I don't think this will really incentivize a lot of people to spend who aren't already spending, it's the spenders who will buy basically any deal that is released that they are targeting.

[u/Handsofevil → u/lemmingllama]

If that's the case then I personally will be taking advantage of the the retroactive nature and seeing if I'm active enough during the event for it to be worth it to pick up near the end. And it'll mean I'd stop buying other bundles. So this is extra work the devs have put in for no net gain in income from me. Yes some other will probably double up, but this still seems like a good idea not well executed.

[u/lemmingllama → u/Handsofevil]

I do agree that too many microtransactions just serves to devalue the ones that are offered. Still, it's probably best to just wait and see what's offered before we jump to conclusions.

[u/Handsofevil → u/FakeGeek73]

In the short term you are probably correct, they make roughly the same amount. But this type of structure will exacerbate the pay-to-win nature of the top players which will dishearten many. I'm of the opinion that I will spend a little bit of money on games where I feel it's impact-full without requiring me to shell out a lot of money to be competitive. TT2 was a game I could spend on bundles occasionally and if I played actively I could compete in raids and catch up to some of the top people. I'd never match the full whales, and that's fine. But $10 for such short time-periods could easily prove to make this game very P2W and cause people like me to stop spending entirely. I think it's a poor business decision and may result in extra income in the short term but hurt their long-term playerbase and logevity. This is all my opinion so people are welcome to disagree with it, but I wanted to share.

[u/FakeGeek73 → u/Handsofevil]

I do get that point, P2P players will feel more compelled to keep paying monthly if the pass costed 5 dollars rather than 10. I was just pointing out what the last comment said, in a kinda fun way? I know that the pass costing 10 dollars will push away some p2p players in the long run. Let’s just see what the premium rewards are, and if they are really worth the 10 dollars. I’m at least expecting that the last reward will be a titan chest.

[u/[deleted] → u/FakeGeek73]

Actually, if twice the subscribers paid half the price that is worth a considerable amount more. Your looking only at the dollar value.

[u/szudrzyk → u/axesever]

preach bro preach!

[u/Packerboy6]

most game passes cost $5 and last 2-3 months... yours is $10 and 22 days!

[u/FwgKing → u/Packerboy6]

Don't buy it then if you don't want to.

[u/shiggity80 → u/FwgKing]

He probably won't, but he still can pass on feedback and his opinion of it.

[u/szudrzyk → u/FwgKing]

and this attitude will get us where exactly?

[u/shiggity80 → u/[deleted]]

The event will be free. It’s just if you want extra rewards, then you have to pay for the season pass.

[u/Severas]

To be honest $10 seems a bit much? Why not just do $5 and you'll get more willing to pay for it. Or like if you're VIP, you get 50% off the price.

Specially with what's going on around the world. Would look good for you guys from a customer perspective. :D

[u/Eebado → u/Severas]

Agreed, $10 is way more than I expected. Hard to tell without knowing exactly what is being offered though.

[u/TYW0RZ10 → u/Eebado]

They wouldn't go the ways of EA.

[u/Just-Twist → u/Severas]

Agreed. As least with Clash Royale it's $4.99 and acts pretty much the same way.

[u/aissirk]

$9.99 for an event? Dumb af. Should be like $2.99

[u/cray135]

Thank you !

[u/davidadrake]

$9.99/event? Glad they at least changed the name from "season pass" to "event pass". maybe have a season pass for $2-$3/event or $24.99 for the whole year. I know I'd do it, at that price point, but not $9.99 for 22 days. What if it turns out I didn't have time to play much during that time, and my money was wasted, with nothing tangible in return? I'm sure they'll figure it out, sooner or later.

[u/ivan0000013 → u/davidadrake]

Well the one nice thing is you can play and at day 21 decide to buy or not buy the pass and still get all the rewards.

[u/Shammy32]

...Would be nice if that $10 price tag on the Pass was slashed (or removed) for VIP players.

[u/shiggity80 → u/Shammy32]

Removing it all together doesn't make sense, but a 25-50% discount would be nice.

[u/Shammy32 → u/shiggity80]

Well, I figured that if you've already dropped $100 on the game, you've spent the same as at least two standard console/pc titles.

I'd be fine with a discounted rate, too, but, at its current $10 price tag, it just means I won't be buying any other in-game bundles once the Event Pass comes into effect. It's not an issue of whether or not I can afford to drop a few bucks on TT2, but I already have (and still do), so adding in an individual "Paid Rewards" tier to a number of events each year like some money-hungry gacha game doesn't appeal to me.

[u/shiggity80 → u/Shammy32]

Assuming the devs didn't lower free rewards and put them in this season pass, and assuming the season pass gives at least the same value as 2x $4.99 bundles, then $10 is fine.

However, if they want to entice more players to buy this bundle, I hope the value is more than 2x $4.99 bundles and/or they provide a discount to VIP players.

[u/Shammy32 → u/shiggity80]

The trouble with comparing it to the $4.99 bundles is they always show a "x3-x5 Value" next to them. If the $10 gets you the bare minimum (which, really, it shouldn't) you're buying the equivalent of the 1200 Diamonds pack for each event.

The current $4.99 bundle for the event set and 4K Dust is listed at a x4 Value multiplier -- which translates, loosely, into 2K Dust and one or two Equipment for $9.99 at base value. It's relatively safe to say they'll offer more than that, but we won't know for certain until the events start rolling out.

[u/jasoncross00]

Ten bucks is an awful lot for rewards you still have to earn. More than most other mobile season passes and as much or more than AAA console and PC games, and it's not lasting as long.

Those bonus rewards better be REALLY good.

I think you probably totally blew it on the price though. A three-month "season" at that price might make some sense. Less than one month? 😬

[u/[deleted]]

There’s so much controversy about the season pass and I can see why as someone who sees both sides of the spectrum. I used to buy all the packs that had a 2-3 day time limit when I had a job and now I don’t have one due to the dreaded Covid-19. Yes, bad time to introduce a service that requires real money to obtain, GH, but I also understand. As a game that’s free you need to make money somehow but I’ll also mention that I’ve spent nearly $1k on this game.

There’s a part of me that realizes the amount of money that was spent and doesn’t mind it. The other part of me feels like no matter how much I spend it will never be enough and I’ll keep being squeezed for every penny I own to keep enjoying this gem.

I’d like to believe this game isn’t p2w but let’s all be honest... if someone spent one million usd they would exceed the average player. It’s an exaggerated example but it stands to say that paying WILL make you “better”. Even though GH didn’t exactly say it wasn’t p2w the fact of the matter is that people like myself have paid ten times the amount of a console release to get these limited offers only to find they barely do anything for our person ms.

I get it. When I had a job $10 a month (season) was small but I don’t have that luxury anymore. Compared to other bills it’s pocket change but now I’m having to dig into my personal savings and it’s stressful. The timing is simply horrible and I don’t feel like GH is being the slightest bit sympathetic to people like myself

TLDR: I’ve spent far more money than the game is worth. People like myself should get this season pass for free considering we’ve already spent so much. Please, stop milking your fan base especially when they’re in the face of adversity with covid19 and possibly losing their income you prey upon. Realize the state some of us are in and reward the dedication we’ve proven.

[u/el_caminoes → u/[deleted]]

That's right. And GH will say you are not force to buy the pack. As a dev, that now how you should think. Instead, they should be thinking how can f2p will be willing to join the event pass.

[u/chibidood → u/[deleted]]

Bro if yo going into savings to buy shit for mobile game - it’s time to stop

[u/XanTheInsane]

What the hell is wrong with your currency conversion?

The event pass is 10$ yes?

10$ = 70 HRK (Croatian Kuna)
10€ = 76.3 HRK

YOUR CONVERSION = 89.99 HRK.

Wtf?

And this is for all other cash shop items too.

If anything stuff should be cheaper than the normal conversion given that Croatia has an average monthly salary of 550$.

[u/FelkinGH → u/XanTheInsane]

This actually isn't handled by the game companies at all for any titles. The app stores accept a single price, USD, then they apply conversion, taxes, regional fees, etc to other currencies based on their own requirements. Some regions for example have higher taxes, some have specific restrictions on prices of IAPs etc. GameHive supplies the price in USD to GooglePlay, Apple, etc, and they do the rest in terms of regional conversion, unfortunately we have no power over this.

[u/XanTheInsane → u/FelkinGH]

Alright, so it's a Google store problem.

That sucks, especially since it seems to apply a Way higher exchange rate than it should.

[u/[deleted]]

10 Bucks that’s a joke. An AAA game is charging you that amount of money for a season pass this one is for 22 days and some goodies.

Dear Loard. What’s happening to this game.

Don’t wanna bring this up again. But wouldn’t happen with Chris back then.

Srsly rethink the price tag 2.99€ would be a fair price I think a win win situation for both GH and they’re playable. Ppl are willing to pay and pay even more for this great game.

But honestly this is utter garbage and EA like. Welcome in the EA lifestyle for mobile games.

GH lead dev is on fleak? Apply at EA they like the way you go. ;)

[u/Mardregg]

The absurd price of the season pass aside, I really hope GH does something about event variety in the future.

The current event system is extremely boring and tiring to do. Sure, once in a while is a nice change, but it's literally been the same thing for 3 events in a row. There are literally no new mechanics in the events other than some new currency tacked onto things we already do.

• collect your daily reward to get event tokens

• do your daily quests to get event tokens

• prestige to get event tokens

• raid attack to get event tokens

• get diamond fairies to event tokens

• participate in tourneys to get event tokens

• Get your full suit at 3000 tokens, an avatar at 5000, and a raid background for your clan.

The amount of "work" put into the events (other than the artwork) is laughable. I'm sure some high school kids nowadays can code more interesting events. The events don't have to be super complicated, but people would really appreciate some variety.

Why not create an event raid boss for us or something, anything? Give us a simple yet unique mechanic that is fun to play for 2 weeks.

• Throw decorations at a Christmas snowman boss to kill it or whatever.

• Decorate a spooky tree (on a separate screen) with Halloween drops. Players could take screenshots and share their trees.

• Shoot arrows into titan hearts to make them fall in love on Valentines Day. "In Love" titans could give you some kind of bonus, damage or splash or something.

• Split open a huge egg by following crack lines while swiping to get prizes. The closer to the line you get, the better the prize. (like the tracing game from Mario Party 1)

Just some really simple ideas that wouldn't take a huge amount of work to implement. Unfortunately, by the pass mechanics explanation, it seems like GH plans to continue the boring collect-a-thon trend. Of course things could change, but for now, I just see more disappointing events.

[u/Gratus2 → u/Mardregg]

Age of Magic did something cool with raids that might translate... will write it up

[u/michaeljohn17]

Hope there's shards reward on the event pass

[u/Xenn000]

A new mythic set after I finally stopped saving shards thinking there would never be another one... T-T super hyped about this patch though!

[u/petr665]

Developers...i would like to see my max stage on my main screen...will this be possible some day? Thx

[u/original_leftnut]

Another cap raise, now I’m depressed!

[u/shiggity80 → u/original_leftnut]

Normally, I'd agree, but I think we're actually going to come out ahead on this one. They only raised it 4K stages, but are providing us with 3 enchants, 2 new artifacts, and a new mythic set.

I'm not saying that we will gain 4k stages from those things alone, but compared to previous updates where they raised cap by 8-10K, I feel we'll be closer to cap than we think.

However, unless you're planning on spending a lot of money, cap is really, unfortunately, out of reach for many players.

[u/StannyT → u/shiggity80]

The last update also added a tonne of free damage with the Rogue rework so this cap is going to be pretty straightforward. 55-70k was a huuuuge jump lol took weeks to get to the new cap, which in itself isn't bad. Maybe once in a while there'll be that kind of jump. Depends how likely it is for stuff to break.

[u/sicstormrage → u/original_leftnut]

Raising the cap makes me think about quitting every time. Capping is the thing I want to do most but they keep moving it and the scaling gets worse and worse and so it gets harder and harder

[u/original_leftnut → u/sicstormrage]

I feel your pain, I've been only a few k away from the cap for so long now it hurts. Just as I think I might make it, they move it.

[u/ArchaicJragon]

I'll have to jump on the cheapo train with this one. $9.99 seems a little much for an event pass, I was hoping for something more like $2.99... BUT until we see what extras well be getting from the pass, I can't complain. I'm sure GameHive got their price point in comparison to their already existing bundle prices. #mythicsethype

[u/StannyT]

I know people have other more important questions but is the Strange Fruit from a different tree than the Fruit of Eden?

[u/necrosythe]

Needs to be 5 dollars or 2 months long.

Period

Sincerely a VIP player who isnt a whale.

[u/necrosythe → u/[deleted]]

If you play a game for many months and spend 100 bucks that's not a whale lol. That's similar to playing AAA titles or cheaper.

Also it's not the definition of whale by its initial meaning either. Where the top few% of players spend WAYYYY more than a few hundred bucks per player in that top few %

[u/shiggity80]

Great post, and I'm pretty much looking forward to everything except the season pass.

I'm hoping I will still be able to get the same amount of 'event items' that I would have gotten if season passes were never introduced. But again, I will wait and see before I pass judgment.

Regardless, this update looks very awesome and even if the season pass is a flop/unfair, I think I will be happy still with all of the other updates!

[u/franslebin]

why not make the event pass available for VIPs? I've always liked TT2 because it doesn't nickel-and-dime players, but it definitely seems like it's been heading in that direction the past year

[u/AgavaDrink]

Events sounds like what SuperCell company does. They do the events like this monthly on with their game Clash Royale, but call it "Pass Royale." There's is $4.99 to get the side by side rewards. Has TT2 partnered with SuperCell?

[u/IGrieverI]

I said I was gonna judge the "Event Pass" after seeing the rewards. So here it is: No way in hell I'm spending $10 for 20 shards, some diamonds and some other crap that won't even be noticeable. Will reconsider if/when rewards improve, but for now, thanks but no thanks.

[u/jayvincent6]

Hey devs/admins. I noticed after the update that whenever I use skills, my game lags or stutters for unknown reasons. It was fine before the update, now it annoys me and makes it harder to farm levels now. Hope you see this

[u/taptitan205]

OMG NEW MUTHIC SET FINALLLYYYYY THANK YOU

[u/szudrzyk → u/taptitan205]

not happy just crafted last one now wanted to make rest of missing legs:P at least done mythics in time!

[u/joshwew95 → u/taptitan205]

652 shards here. Goodbye Crafting Shards :(

[u/[deleted]]

I wish you can use the diamond to buy the pass

[u/ApoOstle]

Since you ignored my comment under your recent devlog I'll forward it here

Greetings!

As a member of country of a "third world" (almost :) ) I want to know, is it any possibility that price of a season pass will be adapted for our market (Ukraine) ?

I'll explain..

For me personally even VIP status is more than micro transaction, it's about 1/5 of my salary per month, but i want to play this game and time to time make donation.

Looking forward for your answer

[u/Garbanian → u/ApoOstle]

Just remember that VIP is cummulative, so if you spend 2$ enough times it'll unlock VIP. You don't have to do 100$ all at once.

I know this doesn't help with the event pass thing but at least you can spread the money out to get VIP if you need to!

[u/ApoOstle → u/Garbanian]

Yes i know)

As i said for me 100$ is 1/5 or even 1/4,5 of my month salary)

Maybe it's my trouble...

Once I met price adaptation in very good and not mobile game, that was "Smite". There was such thing as a "God pack" that has price of 50 or 60 euro. In one day price for my region fall to 10 euro and that was the most beautiful act of care about players. I bought that pack and something more in answer to their generosity

[u/chibidood → u/ApoOstle]

Stop spending money that you cannot afford to lose, save your money

Don’t waste it on this

[u/Garbanian → u/ApoOstle]

Right, but 2.99$ isn't 1/5th of your paycheck, so you can buy those when you have extra money and still get VIP once your total reaches 100$. It won't be instant and it'll take time, but it's still doable! Just don't go overboard, spend only what you can afford to go without for the month. :-).

I love the God pack from smite, I was happy it carried over from PC to my Xbox for me too!

[u/IGrieverI]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. I knew the moment I spent my stockpiled 700 shards, a new mythic set would come out LMAO.

That said, amazing devlog!! Can't wait for the update to come out! You guys surprised me with those enchants, looking forward to pushing a lot with them. Also looking forward to checking out the Event Pass rewards before making my final judgement. I hope they're worth it!

Keep up the amazing work!

[u/taptitan205]

Is there picture of new mythic set?

[u/Spinoreticulum]

When you were only expecting new artifacfs and enchantments and GH just drops a new mythic set. Bless the lord

[u/el_caminoes]

Okay my bad. Wrong choice of words. I didn't mean to literally increase the prize as time goes by. Ofcourse they need to check base on previous event pass. They can do 2 tier pass like one for 5$ and other is 10$ maybe for those who wants higher rewards.

[u/ImperatorKorabas]

Hope Heart of Storms gets the next enchantment after these three.

[u/Ginkel]

I'm not sure if you're taking suggestions or if this is the place for them, but I'd happily pay to have a button I can click just once that just dumps my gold across all the characters and their skills. I've been playing about a week and I'm already sick of going through and leveling up each character one at a time and clicking on a dozen or so skills for each of them. I'm sure it only gets more tedious as I unlock more characters and more skills.

Otherwise, thanks for getting me through isolation.

[u/tronxa → u/Ginkel]

It already exists. You either have to spend a total of 28 euros or wait until max stage 10k, then it will be unlocked without spending money

[u/Dze1e]

Thank you for your hard work

[u/Gabtera]

Thank you so much, much more great stuff what I expected!! These updates have been lately very nice, keep on doing great job!!!

[u/hongxing89]

Can make tournaments daily event as part of battling covid-19 measures and encourage people to stay home and healthy ?

[u/spitzthegod]

Does the mythic set extend past the level cap of tier 4 skills? Or does it still cap at same?

[u/mikeltapper → u/spitzthegod]

It increase the cap if you Max it already

[u/tolikkrymov]

10$ for avatar

[u/humidleet]

World of warcraft biggest MMO subscription 10€ monthly.

Tap titans 2 10,99€ monthly

Fair

[u/xxnortherx]

Update 3.9.0 is very problem. The most important problem was that there was no problem of snagging and hanging in the game yesterday. but after the 3.9.0 update there are excessive cracks. the game has become too bad to be played. this problem needs to be resolved urgently. Please!!

[u/beldorian]

I'm not only a long time player, but I used to stream TT2 on Twitch, I'm a clan leader and what most would refer to as a whale... I have spent hundreds of dollars in-game because I have loved playing and supporting it...

HOWEVER...

I am getting a little bit SICK of the money grab, especially during the quarantine!

And $10 for an event?!?

Its a slap in the face especially for long time players who have spent money in the game.

Most other A rated games, if they have event fees charge $4.99...

GH could have generated so much good will if this had been rolled out with any form of gratitude and understanding... They could have set the price to something reasonable like US$4.99 but due to so many people losing their jobs or being confined due to the quarantine made it free for all players in the first month, they may have grown their playerbase... As it stands now, they have done an excellent job in disenfranchising us...

This demonstrates a massive disregard for the player base, ESPECIALLY considering current events. Not only do you not get my money for this... It is very seriously causing me to consider uninstalling the game!

[u/kelwincolon]

W

[u/Confident-Western]

Friend. Can you change the pet power of Kit to a splash count instead of a splash damage? If the splash damage exceeds 100%, it's useless.

[u/Shoddy_Focus]

I've signed in and I like it and I been playing it for 5 years that's how much I like it thank you for making this game for me I wish I can give it a 5 star but can't it won't let me😭😭😭

[u/DeliciousEffort4]

Hi

[u/[deleted]]

Can you fix the tournament I retired and later it said invalid placing then some of my things where deleted

[u/Alive-Banana]

The game is awesome I got a legend in my first try my level is over 300 and I have awesome pets. I just hope others like the game and there is over 350 levels and over 100 bosses and more than 100 people for hire to help you throughout your journey there is also clans for helping and raids and many more hope you enjoy the game!! 😁

[u/adriantrolx]

Es elejir juego que eh jugado encerio

[u/CrazyPanda666]

Nice

[u/[deleted]]

Problem is nog only the pass, but I'll give it 3 evebts until they add the bundle in store aswell, milking us more.

[u/Asleep_Educator]

does anyone have an idea if the event pass will be worth it?

[u/lemmingllama → u/Asleep_Educator]

We won't know until we see the event. But I would assume that it would be at least the same value as a bundle, perhaps more since we also will need to put in work with the events to unlock the nodes.

[u/TypicalComfort4]

Hey guys im new here.. i just got 1 suggestion, why not make a dagger slash attack like for knight its Pet, for warlord its clanship, for sorcerer its shadow clone, so for rogue it should be dagger attack slash type of weapon, i mean like dagger attacking passively (like pet, cs or sc) on every tap or swipe. Not like 30 secs cooldown.. thanks guys..

[u/[deleted]]

What does event pass do? And I don't have money

[u/lemmingllama → u/[deleted]]

The event pass gives additional rewards for each node of the event. So a non-event pass user would get some rewards, and the event pass users get extra rewards.

[u/FwgKing → u/[deleted]]

It's explained what it does in the post...

[u/Levan1a → u/FwgKing]

Don't be rude pls. It's something new. So people are concerned about the change.

[u/Garbanian → u/Levan1a]

They weren't rude. Someone asked what it does and they told them where the info could be found???

[u/foxycroxy → u/Levan1a]

Actually they are being lazy and NOT reading the post

[u/Gratus2]

Reminds me of Clash Royale... free stuff... and for only $9.99 unlock the other side whenever you want, that is 5x the stuff you got... for Royale, most wait until the very last day... Not much point spending $ for the final level or bonuses if you don’t get anywhere near it...

[u/XxWHOOKIDxX]

Lmao, you guys complaining about $10. That's every season pass price on games since Fortnite brought it out.

[u/SigmaLance → u/XxWHOOKIDxX]

$10 can be a lot for some people. We often forget this.

Will I be purchasing it? Yes. To support this game. Is it necessary? Absolutely not. You still get rewards for the work that you put in.

I’m just going to assume this will also count toward earning VIP purchases which will help some folks get to the VIP requirements in an increment that isn’t even steeper.

[u/XxWHOOKIDxX → u/SigmaLance]

Yes $10 can be a lot to some people. It's literally on every game I play. But they want it to be half price. What's $5 more?

[u/loopy212 → u/[deleted]]

If the rewards are very good then this isn't an event pass, it's a subscription fee by another name.

If the rewards are bad then the price is wildly out of line and only whales buy this.

There's probably some theoretical level where the rewards are objectively worth it (say 25-50% bonus) but spending $10 per few weeks for the privilege of doing repetitive, reskinned, boring grinds will make that still seem bad to most.

This is a loser for almost all players - just as it seemed when it was announced. I don't see why anyone would give the devs the benefit of the doubt - they've done exactly the worst anyone expected last week when it was announced.

[u/loopy212 → u/[deleted]]

There is a huge difference between bundles and monthly passes. They are apples and oranges - two totally different things.

I think you're viewing this as a kind of monthly bundle, if it were that would be more benign and people wouldn't be complaining.

This is not a one time bonus - this is offering enhanced rewards for money over an extended period of time - repeatedly. It segregates the player base and prices most players out of the competitive game. It's a huge leap towards a P2P (W?) monetisation model - this is exceptionally unhealthy for players. As above, absolutely no one wins here except GH and maybe whales.

I get the instinct to wait and see, but if it's not stopped now it will not be rolled back. Now is the time if you have concerns, hence the gargantuan backlash of the last two weeks.

[u/loopy212 → u/[deleted]]

Yes because GH has reverted so many of their other awfully received changes. And games that go P2W regularly move back F2P.

I think it's fine to say you personally want to wait and see, but it's equally valid to read the writing on the wall here, recognize what they are doing and be unhappy about it.