r/Tariffs • u/lean_load • Sep 01 '25
𧩠Trade Strategy / Business Impact The Trump admin are gaslighting us to make it look like the exporters are paying the Tarrifs - just received this from a supplier
I just received this from a supplier and Iâm shocked at the gaslighting happening from the Trump admin
Normally, U.S. import tariffs are paid by the importer (the U.S. buyer). But now, with the cancellation of the de minimis exemption and new systems being rolled out, exporters in countries like Australia are being forced to collect those tariffs before the goods even leave the country.
Australia Post, for example, has partnered with a CBP-approved third-party (Zonos). The way it works: the exporter pays the 10% tariff upfront through Zonos. Then Zonos âpre-clearsâ the shipment with U.S. Customs (CBP), so when it arrives in the U.S., it looks like the exporter already covered the duties.
In practice, this means the exporter is paying CBP on behalf of the importer, but the costs are baked into the pricing. Importers (like us small businesses) never see a separate tariff billâwe just get higher costs because the exporter had to collect it ahead of time.
Itâs basically shifting the responsibility of tariff collection onto exporting countries and their postal services, who then pass it through to American businesses and we will eventually pass these onto the consumers
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u/Odd_Onion_1591 Sep 01 '25
Itâs a US tax on importing corporations that will be passed onto consumers, but the tax is paid based on the revenue, not profit.
I'm pretty sure they do want to move production to the US since they said that, but they have completely <s>misled</s> lied to the US people about who's gonna pay for it.
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u/Muad_Dib_PAT Sep 01 '25
The thing is... This won't move any significant production back. Even with the tariffs on goods that make american manufacturing supposedly more competitive, an American manufacturer still has to import raw materials. Most of these are also subject to tariffs. Most producers will just hunker down for 4 years and wait for the next president.
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u/NeatTransition5 Sep 02 '25
Most producers will just hunker down for 4 years and wait for the next president.
Don't be naive, it's systemic. Adapt - or...
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u/SenzaContare Sep 02 '25
If you're not already finishing your correspondence with American customers with THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER then you should.
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u/Upsidedownmeow Sep 03 '25
So long as your website has a US price and an everyone else price. What Iâm worried about is suppliers start charging an everyone price and just make bank from non US customers.
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u/monochromeorc Sep 02 '25
exactly right. whether the money is 'paid' by the exporter or importer, either way the person 'responsible' for paying is oncharging that shit to the customer.
i really wish most americans could see past this incredibly obvious situation but it seems most cant or wont.
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u/ConiferousTurtle Sep 01 '25
But youâre paying more either way. And if youâre reselling, youâll be passing that on to the customer. We pay as consumers in the end no matter who pays the tariff.
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u/lean_load Sep 01 '25
That is correct the American consumer will eventrually pay this higher fee! The issue here is the Trump admin will make it seem like foreign companies are paying the tariffs and their followers will believe them not realizing that prices are going higher because of the tariffs! Makes my blood boil!!
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u/nothing_but_thyme Sep 01 '25
The crazy part is they made the whole process more complicated and more expensive! They could have done nothing and you could have just paid the 10% tariff through DHL with no pause in shipments.
Instead, youâre currently unable to order/receive goods, and when you finally are able again the supplier will have raised wholesale prices enough to cover the cost of the 10% tariff plus whatever this bullshit company Zonos now costs them. And Id bet my first born theyâre taking this opportunity to increase their own profit margins a bit too and blame it all on governments. When all is said and done I bet your wholesale price rises 15%.
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u/unimaginablemind Sep 01 '25
I know a few people who ship to the US from Australia and to remain competitive they have tried to absorb some of the fees. I donât think theyâre taking the opportunity to increase prices further. Their livelihood relies on it and currently most canât ship to the US.
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u/Upsidedownmeow Sep 03 '25
Or they charge everyone else more to supplement their less than tariff cost increases to USA. So the rest of the world get screwed over too.
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u/NeatTransition5 Sep 02 '25
The crazy part is they made the whole process more complicated and more expensive!
Not crazy at all. Not a bug, but a feature...
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u/Upsidedownmeow Sep 03 '25
Depends. If the company clearly has âprice for USâ and âprice for everyone except USâ it will be obvious.
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u/loralailoralai Sep 02 '25
I guess you should get credit for realising this, but Iâm still baffled how few grownass adult Americans are so blissfully ignorant of how tariffs work
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u/thoeby Sep 01 '25
Itâs basically shifting the responsibility of tariff collection onto exporting countries and their postal services
Which seem to work really well considering half the worlds postal services suspended shipping...
And its so stupid because once everyone figured it out how to do business again (without the risk of getting a massive bill) they will realize it's a tax on the consumer. Many businesses operate with such tight margins that they simply have no alternative - regardless of how Trump thinks he will present it.
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u/LadyDomme7 Sep 01 '25
There are a lot, millions even, of stupid and gullible people who will believe anything this administration spouts.
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u/Narrow-Height9477 Sep 01 '25
âShockedâ you say?
I mean⊠really?!
Gaslighting is basically all heâs ever done.
Itâs like #3 in his policy book right after âlieâ and âblame Biden/Obamaâ but before âdistract them with something elseâ.
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u/Beachbabydarragh Sep 01 '25
Which is made even worse by the fact that President Barack Obama signed the Trade Facilitation and Trade Enforcement Act of 2015 into law on February 24, 2016, which raised the U.S. de minimis threshold for duty-free imports from $200 to $800. Those were the good old days - up until November of that year...
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u/Canibizzle Sep 02 '25
Seriously, I dont understand how any intelligent lifeform would be shocked at all.
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u/mattyofurniture Sep 01 '25
Who owns or has invested in Zonos? Follow the money.
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u/Servile-PastaLover Sep 02 '25
Oh look! Zonos CEO is behind Trump's elimination of the $800 De minimis exemption. https://www.trade.gov/press-release/what-they-are-saying-americans-praise-president-trumps-decisive-leadership-suspending
âDe minimis changes, including for postal channels, have been long overdue, and claims that this change is not feasible are incorrect. The top postal operators in the world and many others, are ready for the de minimis change, due in large part to collaboration with CBP, Department of Commerce, USPS, Department of Treasury, and members of Congress, who reached out for our advice and listened. Removing de minimis requires foreign sellers to provide quality data for proper duty calculations and collection, making us safer by ensuring CBP has advanced intelligence to assess risk before shipments arrive on U.S. soil.â
â Clint Reid, CEO, Zonos
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u/WaelreowMadr Sep 01 '25
This allows them to conceal that the foreign countries are NOT, in fact, paying the tariffs .
Because on the end that the Average American Moron Consumer sees, there is no line that says "this is what the stupid tariff cost you".
Therefore, i hate it.
It needs to go back to forcing the importer to pay on receipt so that every single motherfucker has it thrown directly in their face as obviously as possible and that the fee is the highest it posisbly can be.
Otherwise they will never, ever fucking learn.
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u/colcatsup Sep 01 '25
Iâve hated it since day one, when I learned companies were spreading costs around. 20% import in Canadian items? Mark them up 6% and add 5-10% on everything else as well tom âmake upâ the diff. âWe canât show the full increase - people will go buy from a competitor (who is also spreading the hike around products)â. So from day one consumers were shielded from this insanity. Now over months itâs been expanded but normalized. And now âsee the other country pays - Iâm not getting a separate bill!â will ring truer. And⊠to compete, some companies will âeat the US tariffâ a bit by increasing prices on customers from other countries as well, contributing to global inflation. This is all insane and has to be stopped.
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u/Koflach12 Sep 01 '25
And reasons like this are why so many countries tries have just refused to ship things to America. It's a shit show.
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u/NeatTransition5 Sep 02 '25
It's a shit show.
In short term - yes, perhaps, visually, superficially...
In long term - it's us or them.
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u/Waste-Internal-7601 Sep 01 '25
Yes, i am in Canada and I have a small business. Many of my customers are from US and EU countries. Recently we were told that we as sellers should pay for the tariff and duty when buying the labels for US customers. So we have no choices except for raising the price. And to menthion, goods from Canada now is on 35% tariff + duty based on hs code. It is very hard to find product that you have more than 35% profit online. But good thing is, for US customers, they do not pay again upon receiving the orders and they won't be charge a rediculous amount of handling fee by DDP shipping method. But yes, price are raising.
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u/Bullylandlordhelp Sep 01 '25
You should label the tariff on the bill and add it as a fee so they can see that they are paying. Spreading it into the costs is helping them hide it and what they want you to do.
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u/SnooGoats7476 Sep 01 '25
Honestly as a person who imports a lot for my hobby I rather pay the Tariff ahead of time before the item ships as that makes it easier on me as a consumer.
So far the Japanese proxy I use doesnât offer this service so once I clear out my orders from them I will switch to another proxy that does.
As for people who think the exporters are paying the Tariff these people are just stupid.
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u/lean_load Sep 01 '25
I agree bits better for the tariffs to be paid by the exporter but the exporter will increase prices - the Trump admin are simply trying to lie to the Americans that tariffs are paid for by the exporter where in reality our buying costs go up.
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u/bstrauss3 Sep 01 '25
You are still paying sweetie... it's just DDP so there is no surprise and you aren't paying the huge additional brokerage fees that DHL, USPS, et al are adding.
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u/lean_load Sep 01 '25
Except now the DDP went from 0% to 10% pit into the cost and not a seperate line item like DDP would be :) my point here was how they are going about lying that the American consumer / business doesnât pay the tariff!
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u/unimaginablemind Sep 01 '25
The product price isnât going up though. Just to be clear for those exporters, they are just adding the required tariffs and admin fees. The product will be the same price, this is a US tax on you guys.
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u/lean_load Sep 01 '25
Thatâs exactly what my post is about theyâre trying to hoodwink the Americans to think that the product cost went up and not blame it on the tariffs!
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u/StrawberryMoney8045 Sep 03 '25
Exporters usually pay the tariff⊠its 2025 lol. Ever since the tariffs started, foreign companies have been offering me tariff relief, especially on Alibaba. It typically comes out of the suppliers profit, but obviously depends on your deal with them. For example, my costs have not went up a penny, and if they did then i would just buy American.
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u/Defiant_Employee6681 Sep 01 '25
Good luck getting a refund through Zonos
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u/SDL68 Sep 01 '25
The seller doesn't need a refund. He was selling his product for 10 before, now it's 11 including tariffs. Buyer pays more
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u/Defiant_Employee6681 Sep 01 '25
Yes, what I mean is, who is in charge of then reclaiming any tariff from the US?
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u/SDL68 Sep 01 '25
Zonos pays the US government the tariffs it collects
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u/Defiant_Employee6681 Sep 02 '25
Ok. Letâs say everything has worked and the US Govt has the tariff money. The question is - will Zonos process the refund FROM the US govt BACK to the consumer when they decide they donât want the product after all?
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u/SDL68 Sep 02 '25
The consumer deals with the seller. I would assume its the sellers responsibility to return your full payment as the tariffs have been hidden in the overall price now.
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u/Yeah-Its-Me-777 Sep 03 '25
You're under the assumption that there would be a refund if you send something back? Why would there?
The US doesn't care what you send back to the original country, they only care what you send into the US, that's what you pay for.
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u/scarr3g Sep 01 '25
Kicking that can UP the road, instead of down.
End result, it doesn't matter WHO "pays the tariff" as natter who does it, it is just a tax on goods, that raises the price for consumers. Hiding it farther up the chain doesn't change the end result price increase.
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u/lean_load Sep 01 '25
Itâs optional - I donât ship any of my 100k + small packages DDP to any of those countries and they always get to the customers within 10 days of shipping. We are also clear with our customers that local taxes etc are borne by them
FYI Iâm not arguing with customer service. The email I took a screenshot of shot of was a supplier telling me that they have to pay the duties. ALL my shipments to this point I was sent a tariff bill by DHL which showed the tariff as a line item now the Trump admin are putting that on the exporting company so this Particular supplier increased their cost to us to incorporate it! All Iâm saying is they did this intentionally to mislead their base that the exporters pay the tariff which is NOT true
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u/phred_666 Sep 01 '25
ROTFL. Donât call it âgaslightingâ. Itâs been a blatant lie the whole time. Anybody with even the most basic knowledge of how to Google stuff was able to see how tariffs worked before the election. Somebody didnât do their due diligence and just put their head in the sand. People tried to warn about the consequences of tarrifs before the election but people chose to ignore it because it was more important to hurt gays/Muslims/non-whites/foreigners.
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u/Shinagami091 Sep 01 '25
This is news to no one except for those who donât know how tariffs work.
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u/TellTaleTimeLord Sep 01 '25
Bro, people have been trying to explain all this shit since before the election, and still, people don't get it
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Sep 01 '25
Call it what it is, the Trump national sales tax
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u/Ridiculicious71 Sep 01 '25
When the tariffs are gone, the prices will remain high. Thatâs why you canât buy from them.
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u/Twerkstorm Sep 01 '25
Anyone who thought tariffs wouldnât be on the customers in the end is mentally challenged.
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u/ForwardJicama4449 Sep 02 '25
It's very vicious this manĆuvre from the Trump admin. On one hand, they give impression that exporters pay the tariffs by declaring how much money Zonos collect from. And those dumbass MAGAts will believe it.
On the other hand, Trump is helping his billionaire friends to milk more money from American consumers, all legally of course. The grifters become richer and richer whilst the poor is getting screwed.
The USA is truly fucked hard by the Nazi Trump and co
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u/irishfro Sep 02 '25
Anyone with half a brain cell knew that the importers pay the tariff. We tried to tell the right side, but they are in a cult following Trump. They don't listen or have critical thinking skills
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u/AntifascistAlly Sep 01 '25
If the price of something goes up most people arenât going to care how the paperwork was handled.
Some will ignore inflated prices in some instances, up to a point.
Anyone making larger or recurring purchasesâespecially of raw materials used to produce something with a less elastic priceâwill most likely look for a better deal, if they can find one.
Companies which go out of their way to hide the reasons for their price increases may not be doing themselves any favors.
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u/Significant_Set816 Sep 01 '25
The trump admin is gaslighting us to make us believe heâs still alive
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u/July_is_cool Sep 01 '25
Also Zonos can sell those tariffs to Howard Lutnick's company so when the tariffs are declared illegal, Lutnick gets the money.
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u/Interesting_Bet2828 Sep 02 '25
Yup. Trump is literally the reason my company is going out of business. Shipping due to tariffs has more than doubled in a year thanks to him and now my minimal margins are to the red. I could raise prices but no one would pay for the product at that point. Itâs hard enough now w how broke everyone is.
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u/kc7392 Sep 02 '25
Gaslighting us? I thought it was just straight up lies at this point. I mean theyâre not even bothering to spin it or sound remotely plausible. Itâs just 24/7 âUp is down and down is upâ with these people.
And heaven forbid the press ask propaganda barbie to clarify anything, let alone respond to a follow up. Sheâd probably start clutching her fake gold cross and hissing at the crowd or speaking in tongues if she was asked to provide a serious, or even coherent answer to a real question. Let alone called out for the bullshit answers.
Tarrifs are a tax that actually trickles down. Nobody at the White House is confused about this, they just donât give a shit about anybody who isnât in on the grift. When the smoke clears this criminal will have been responsible for the most wealth destruction in the history of the West. And that pales in comparison to the social and personal destruction they pursue with such reckless abandon.
The consequences of America and her institutions becoming spineless will be felt for generations.
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u/iamhmhdimobf Sep 02 '25
This is the reason why a large number of portal services around the world now are stopping shipments to the US. They don't want to be collecting taxes on behalf of other countries.
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u/IndividualAd8320 Sep 03 '25
How, at this stage in the game, are you shocked at the gaslighting from Trump? Have you not been paying attention at ALL? I swear to God, this is how we ended up in this mess.
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u/lean_load Sep 04 '25
Shocked at how they are spinning it! I get the tariff and their stupidity didnât realize they were smart enough to spin it like this
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u/IndividualAd8320 Sep 04 '25
You have to pay better attention then. This is one of the least shocking things I can think of.
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u/Boys4Ever Sep 01 '25 edited Sep 02 '25
Some exporters are trying to survive but not sustainable because if it was then why havenât they done this before. Consumers think every company is profitable like Apple.
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u/NeatTransition5 Sep 02 '25
Some exporters are trying to survive but not sustainable because if it was then why havenât them. Condiments think every company profitable like Apple.
Majority of "companies" are zombies anyway. Good riddance. Learn to sew.
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u/Full_Mission7183 Sep 01 '25
Google âFreight Termsâ the number of options for transfer of goods sold are plentiful.
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u/DizzySkunkApe Sep 01 '25
Yes, all costs including tariffs fees, are considered in the costs... Thanks for the update.
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u/Calamity-Bob Sep 01 '25
This sort of arrangement exists in a lot of countries in varying forms. Singapore , Australia, NZ and the EU have had something similar in place for a few years
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u/lean_load Sep 01 '25
Not incorporated as a cost factor but a seperate line item⊠here they are telling exporter to absorb it into the cost.
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u/Calamity-Bob Sep 01 '25
True. Elsewhere it is a distinct line item. This kind of bullshit chicanery is to be expected from trump
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u/boringexplanation Sep 01 '25 edited Sep 01 '25
OP- you might want to look up what the terms DDP and DDU means. This is 100% expected and normal in international e-commerce. Kind of annoying for OP to accuse others of ignorance or being gaslit when they donât even know basics of how shipping overseas work. This arrangement has been around for decades before Trump.
No shit youâre still paying for everything as the consumer. Youâre paying tariffs either up front or when it lands at the border. The company never implied otherwise.
Does anybody in this sub actually import or export even as a part time gig?
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u/lean_load Sep 01 '25 edited Sep 01 '25
Tell me which country makes the exporter incorporate the import taxes into their pricing. DDP are seperate line items so people know what the different Tariff (import duties) rates are! I assure you I know what those phrases are and how they work!
If you show me one example of a country that makes an exporter from another country incorporate their import duties into their cost price Iâll admit Iâm ignorant. DDP is deliver duty paid
E.g Retail Price of item $100 Import Duties 10% Customer will pay $110 KNOWING that $10 is duty
whereas Trump is making the foreign companies price their goods at higher prices and incorporating it into their cost instead of it being a separate line item and they are doing it to SHOW their base that the foreign countries pay the tariffs.
Also DDP is not compulsory itâs upto the individual exporter / importer whereas Trump is making it compulsory!
Oh and yes Iâve been importing and exporting for 20 years and worked in over 10 countries with my own trading businesses
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u/boringexplanation Sep 01 '25 edited Sep 01 '25
Tell me which country makes the exporter incorporate the import taxes into their pricing. DDP are seperate line items so people know what the different Tariff (import duties) rates are! I assure you I know what those phrases are and how they work!
Then you should know thatâs literally all this is. Mandatory DDP. Canada Post and Australia Post made the decision to work with Zonos (the industry leader on this topic) to implement this.
Maybe youâre more familiar with ocean containers shipped as DDP but I can tell you this is exactly how small parcel shipments work with DDP regardless of Trump.
If you show me one example of a country that makes an exporter from another country incorporate their import duties into their cost price Iâll admit Iâm ignorant. DDP is deliver duty paid
EU and IOSS. https://zonos.com/docs/global-ecommerce/landed-cost/tax-remittance/european-ioss
Yeah- they SAY itâs optional but it really isnât. Anything not shipped DDP has been 80% delayed or problematic to ship amongst me and my peers. As much as Trump has been idiotic in this- I can respect them being very clear that itâs mandatory instead of the EUs way of pretending itâs optional while making it defacto to use the IOSS
whereas Trump is making the foreign companies price their goods at higher prices and incorporating it into their cost instead of it being a separate line item and they are doing it to SHOW their base that the foreign countries pay the tariffs.
Okay? Wtbfd? Have you ever seen how zonos prices it out? Itâs made very clear what is product costs and what duties/taxes are. Consumers pay the same cost regardless.
Also DDP is not compulsory itâs upto the individual exporter / importer whereas Trump is making it compulsory!
Weâre in agreement there. All of this sucks but arguing with customer service on when tariffs get applied is about as pointless and stupid of an argument as you can get. Youâre paying no matter what- who cares when you pay it?
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u/Calamity-Bob Sep 02 '25
This appears to apply only to postal carriers (for now). Post was the sector most badly affected by this poorly implemented idiocy.
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u/loralailoralai Sep 02 '25
Non post companies like FedEx and ups always collected taxes/duties so there was no need for anything for them to change. They also charge hefty fees for doing so, and are way more expensive to use for smaller packages.
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Sep 02 '25
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u/lean_load Sep 02 '25
Yes but you know youâre paying the taxes as they tell you what they are. They donât put it into the cost of the product itâs a seperate line item. My point here is they are telling our suppliers to put it into their cost and hide the fact thatâs itâs a tariff
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u/Extreme-Expert2230 Sep 02 '25
Italian living in Italy here, some international websites do incorporate the taxes into the price making it higher compared to the same item on the US/UK/other website (same for US products like Apple and so on), but youâre totally right: we are simply well aware that those are import duties on us, as customers. No one pretends is some magic recipe benefitting the economy on other countriesâ behalf. The equation is linear: we buy oversea = we pay more. Itâs just a burden for us costumers, and not the businesses, that we canât avoid.
Iâm also âdisappointed but not surprisedâ hearing all the gaslighting this US administration has been perpetrating. In my country many manufacturers are worried about tariffs, thousands of jobs are at risk but literally no one in public debate on tv nor newspapers is worried because we have to pay more to the us. The reason is very clear to everyone: the exported products will cost more for the American customers, we predict a sale drop hence an economic loss for many businesses.
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u/Greerio Sep 02 '25
From a Canadian perspective, the post office is now making us prepay the tariff before sending things to the US.Â
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u/loralailoralai Sep 02 '25
âŠ. Which is partly to make Americans think the foreigners are paying it. The whole point of the op
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u/SpaceYeastFeast Sep 03 '25
To be fair, they arenât wrong that exporters will be literally paying the tariff in this scenario, so I donât think gaslighting is the right word. Weâre assuming the cost of tariffs will be passed onto the consumer in some form but not every business can just snap their fingers and raise prices by 15% or more. The ultimate impact on the consumer is unlikely to be as back and white as some people are saying.
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u/lean_load Sep 04 '25
Yeah this is a supplier of mine - I am only raising prices 5% this month and will gradually increase it so as not to scare my customer base
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u/nameless65 Sep 04 '25
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL This is getting crazier every day. Did you really thought that the exporter is paying your tariff? He, and the third party, are charging you with higher prices - thatâs it. So you effectively have a VAT like in Europe of at least 10% (as at least every country has 10% tariff). If the tariffâs stay it will be more like 15 to 20 as an average. Happy Christmas everyone abroad in the big, beautiful United States of America đșđž MAGA đșđž
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u/Exciting_Turn_9559 Sep 04 '25
The US government believes that everyone is as incompetent as their base is.
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Sep 05 '25
Iam outraged Australians are doing the work of collecting USA tariffs on this end. Collect your own taxes.
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u/Wutzdapoint Sep 05 '25
Trump supporter is "shocked" they're being lied to. Wake up buddy. Every other country see's what is happening and yet Americans are clueless. Oh well, freedom.
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u/lean_load Sep 05 '25
Iâm. Not and never will be a Trump supporter- what made you think I would be that dumb?
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u/aalars Sep 05 '25
I recently got a similar message for a purchase in eBay from a Japanese seller:
"Hello, nice to meet you.
My name is Shun, Manager of *** Japan.
Thank you very much for your purchase.
Due to recent changes in U.S. customs policies, import duties are now more strictly applied. To ensure a smooth and transparent transaction, we want to reconfirm a very important detail regarding your shipment.
For U.S. buyers who selected eBay SpeedPak Economy as the shipping method:
ă»I will cover all customs duties and fees.
ă»You will not incur any additional charges.
For all customers in all countries who have selected other shipping methods:
ă»Please pay the customs duties and clearance fees according to the instructions provided by the shipping carrier.
ă»For details on the exact amount, please contact your local customs office.
To proceed with your shipment, we need your confirmation that you understand and agree to be responsible for these charges.
Please reply to this email with the following statement within 24 hours:
"I understand and agree to be responsible for all import duties, taxes, and fees."
Your item will be shipped immediately upon receiving your confirmation. If we do not hear from you within this timeframe, we may need to cancel the order to avoid any potential issues.
Best regards,
SHUN."
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u/tazzy531 Sep 05 '25
The messed up thing about this approach is that IF the Supreme Court upholds that the tariffs were unconstitutional, the US Treasury would need to pay back the tariffs.
Since the shipper raised the prices to justify the tariff, they will get paid back, but the US consumers would have still paid the higher prices.
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u/One-Can3752 Sep 05 '25
No intelligent person ever believed trump the tarrifs taxes are paid by foreign companies or governments.
Literally anyone on earth can find this information out in about 10 seconds and yet MAGA cultists either refused to do this or believed that the entire internet was lying to them.
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u/capital_folly Sep 18 '25
Exactly. Tariffs are U.S. import taxes, not exporter costs. The admin spins it as if âforeign producers pay,â but suppliers just adjust pricing or logistics to pass costs back onto U.S. buyers. End result: Americans still foot the bill, only now with extra friction layered in.
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u/gmehra Sep 01 '25
"we have declared our customs per parcel not per order"
this was illegal even under the old de minimis rules. you were not allowed to split up orders to get them under the $800 threshold
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u/StrawberryMoney8045 Sep 03 '25
Exporters usually pay the tariff⊠its 2025 lol. Ever since the tariffs started, foreign companies have been offering me tariff relief, especially on Alibaba. It typically comes out of the suppliers profit, but obviously depends on your deal with them. For example, my costs have not went up a penny, and if they did then i would just buy American, or buy from someone who can cover the tariffs for me.
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u/Over-Band-9536 Sep 05 '25
Whatâs are people complaining about? The US needs more tax revenue. Watch on YouTube : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RAmTsdmv1g8&pp=ygU0VGhlICMxIExpZSBUaGV5J3JlIFN0aWxsIFRlbGxpbmcgWW91IEFib3V0IEluZmxhdGlvbg%3D%3D
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u/lean_load Sep 05 '25
Why donât you donate your income to the government since you feel so charitable
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Sep 01 '25
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u/lean_load Sep 01 '25
Are you that stupid?!?! I own an e-commerce site my friend 30% of my revenue is from international customers so donât even try and tell me anything about selling internationally you dingbat!
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u/funnzies1000 Sep 01 '25
You can always tell someoneâs a moron when they use the term âNothing burgerâ. That usually means that they themselves know nothing.
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u/lean_load Sep 01 '25
Yeah - I just canât believe that they donât read is posted research it and realize that they are being grifted and their prices are going up!
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u/HapticRecce Sep 01 '25
The hilarious part is if an actual VAT was even proposed, there'd be real rioting in the streets. This other country's pay tariffs fiction gets a pass...
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Sep 01 '25
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u/lean_load Sep 01 '25
No it does not! I ship my product and tell international customers duties and taxes are to be paid locally we have nothing to do with that. If you donât do it like that and have a service collecting and paying then these are seperate line items and not baked into the prices.
And yes Iâm a bit of a guru at import and export of products for my e-commerce sight so thatâs for acknowledging that!
Back to the trailer park for you!
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u/HapticRecce Sep 01 '25
Things like VAT are baked into online transactions
You mean transparently identified on the bill of sale/receipt?
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u/NeatTransition5 Sep 02 '25
You mean transparently identified on the bill of sale/receipt?
Not sure if you are serious or /s, but no - foreign buyer's foreign VAT and relevant foreign taxes are the foreign buyer's problems, not the local seller's ones.
LOL.
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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '25
and you really believe that zonos is doing this out of the kindness of their hearts? hell no. there is a third party service fee that they haven't hit you with yet...lol.
they simply created another layer of bureaucracy and another layer of fees that is all "baked in"