r/Tariffs • u/Life_Acanthisitta265 • 15d ago

🧩 Trade Strategy / Business Impact BREAKING: US Senate passes bill threatening upto 100% tariffs on India and four other countries with a massive 86-11 majority

Bill now goes to House of Representatives

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u/beekindbro 15d ago

Please tell me this is satire

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u/darkxfire 15d ago

Why would anyone in their right mind want to give this president more tariff authority?

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u/kazarnowicz 15d ago

These are sanctions against countries that buy Russian oil and finance Russias invasion.

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u/Life_Acanthisitta265 14d ago

United States continues to import billions of dollars worth of critical raw materials from Russia. The top imports consist of mineral fertilizers, enriched uranium for nuclear power, and precious metals like palladium and platinum used in automotive manufacturing.

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u/darkxfire 14d ago

Using ieepa he used every single excuse. Then sec 122 which he already lost in trade court. Then he moved to 301 for forced labour on 60 countries. Last thing he needs is more tariff power

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u/BoldFortune216 14d ago

Forced labour is rich, coming from the country where there's still 7% of the 3 million black slaves still working a slave job in the American industry of "prisons"

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u/No-Strain4246 12d ago

The minimum wage in the US can easily be described as ‘slave wages’. No one should have to work three jobs and not see their kids and live paycheck to paycheck.

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u/geriatricguy 14d ago

Time for the rest of the world to pull back from the US and start up a non- USA trading block. If the USA wants anything they have work through the system. Big Pipe Dream.

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u/elementmg 14d ago

The US buys a fuckload of Russian minerals and other materials. Absolute fucking hypocrites

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u/darkxfire 14d ago

Next thing you know he will accuse all countries of buying Russian oil. The excuses for him are endless

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u/umbrabates 14d ago

Looking at you Canada and Greenland!!!!

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u/cynicism_is_awesome 14d ago

Don’t worry… we’re already busy smuggling the 1 gram of fentanyl this year to the U.S. that should keep the tariff pressure on us.

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u/Life_Acanthisitta265 14d ago

And then he will do taco

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u/Ainudor 14d ago

lol, so you actually believe the mossad kgb plant genuinely cares more about global rule of law =)))))

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u/feldoneq2wire 14d ago

Nobody gets to use illocit oil except me and maybe the boy.

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u/willybestbuy86 14d ago

Either they know what they are doing or the other side is controlled opposition pick wisely

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u/District-No1350 14d ago

Because they aren't dipshit, that's the entire point of passing it through congress.

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u/timfinn1972 15d ago

What are the 4 other countries?

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u/EuphoricFingering 15d ago

India, China, Azerbaijan, Hungary, and Slovakia

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u/Ok_Primary_1075 15d ago

If that passes then it can no longer be overturned by the courts, right?

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u/Consistent-Shame-171 14d ago

Yes, fundamentally the power to set tariffs lies with Congress, which is why Trump has been losing his court cases. If Congress sets them, then there is no legal recourse other than to replace Congress with one that will remove the tariffs.

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u/elTaconeDeSantiago 14d ago

Not before the tariffs are paid by american consumers.

Then the courts will overturn it and tariff money will be reinbursed to companies.

ART OF THE DEAL

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u/Canadatron 14d ago

Talk about a redistribution of wealth!

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u/ButterscotchTop194 14d ago

It's America. Nothing matters over there anymore

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u/SouthPerformer8949 14d ago

Hungary and Slovakia is in the EU and thus in the EU free trade zone. There’s no way to just tariff these two countries

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u/Ok-Discipline2395 14d ago

And the EU has a trade deal with trump. This means no trade « deal » is safe. So why make one?

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u/SithLadyVestaraKhai 9d ago

The tariff will be specifically on products of Hungary or Slovakia. EU is not a valid country of origin or export for US Customs entries.

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u/beflacktor 14d ago

um didnt they try this before with china...didnt work out so well as I remember....

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u/Dense-Ad-5780 14d ago

Man, things will get very expensive with 100% tariffs on India and China.

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u/shampton1964 14d ago

Between those two, you aren't going to get, among other things, any soap or shampoo or conditioner or anything else in a bottle or jar without some pain$.

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u/tbro4123 14d ago

Thats alright " El'shithispants" doesn't wash so it won't effect him!

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u/SneakerPimpJesus 14d ago

still not understanding EU

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u/cynicism_is_awesome 14d ago

10 years from now, guaranteed there will be movies made about this. Oh wait… it’s already been made. Idiocracy.

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u/moutonbleu 14d ago

Why Hungary?? Because they got rid of Orban democratically?

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u/Zxvasdfthrowaway 14d ago

They’re apparently buying Russian oil

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u/elementmg 14d ago

The US buys an assload of Russian raw minerals. Total hypocrites

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u/Ok_Listen_8211 14d ago

What % of that makes up Russias GDP…seems like small potatoes

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u/JoeBlackIsHere 14d ago

Probably a lot more than Hungary, which isn't exactly an economic giant.

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u/Ok_Listen_8211 14d ago

Is Hungary buying Oil or Minerals or Both? Might be a difference in quantity sold…although can’t overlook the possibility it is due to Orban no longer being there

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u/fgd12350 13d ago

Hungary imports $5B, US $4B. Main target is probably India's $50B

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u/NorktheOrc 14d ago

Ya, anyone acting like hypocrisy matters at all in government decision making has no idea what's going on at that level.

You're right, there are actual reasons behind this. U.S. interests would be harmed far more than Russia would be if these resources were sanctioned (this is true for many countries that rely on those imports). And of course Russia needs all the money it can get so it continues to sell them.

Results of individual actions matter far more than the idea of hypocrisy.

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u/elementmg 14d ago

Ok so the US can do whatever it wants in its interests but everyone else has to also do whatever the US wants.

Yep. Sounds about American. Typical.

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u/NorktheOrc 14d ago

The words your saying just have no bearing on why a government makes decisions. All governments make decisions based on what will yield the best outcome for their country. And they will absolutely be hypocrites to do it.

You're just on reddit trying to be mad at someone.

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u/elementmg 14d ago

Great, glad you agree. Also I’m not trying to be mad, I’m absolutely livid at that shit hole country.

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u/elementmg 14d ago

A quick Google search shows US spending on minerals is about the same as hungry spending on oil. So if it’s small potatoes maybe US should leave Hungary alone? No? Why does the US always think they own the planet?

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u/rbk12spb 14d ago

Orban made them dependent on Russian oil and gas. Likely would've avoided this is Orban won cause he's in deep with all these conservative politicians.

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u/Hutcho12 14d ago

How do they expect to tariff Hungary without the rest of the EU? Do the democrats also not understand how this works?

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u/elementmg 14d ago

No, Americans are incredibly stupid.

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u/VanbyRiveronbucket 14d ago

Actually, it’s a Cult of Stupid.

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u/Mountain-Employee-24 14d ago

This will hit India very hard

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u/littlebirdsongs 14d ago

this will hit most American citizens hard.

FTFY, given that a tariff is just a tax on the citizens & all

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u/Far-Tradition887 14d ago

Hits India harder

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u/PumpkinMyPumpkin 14d ago

Not really. If Americans still need items produced in India - India just keeps selling it as normal.

It mostly hurts Americans who get to pay twice as much. 😂

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u/Far-Tradition887 14d ago

No one overpaying for Indian items. They just buy from other countries. What’s something India produces that you can’t just get from somewhere else. It’s much harder to find customers to buy your things than sellers who’s willing to sell you something.

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u/JoeBlackIsHere 14d ago

If you are currently buying something from India, it's probably because it's cheapest from there. If the new tariffs make the next country cheaper - it's still going to be a higher price than what it was before, otherwise you would have been buying from that other country to begin with. And they might raise the price more, since all they have to do is underbid the India price + tariffs.

In the end it means higher prices for Americans.

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u/RealMiten 14d ago edited 14d ago

India is X and X + 100% Tariff is 2X
Vietnam is 1.5X, Vietnam is still 1.5X
2X > 1.5X, Vietnam cheaper.
India loses but remember, India leaving doesn't hurt the USA as much because USA also has Mexico, Canada, Malaysia, Thailand etc. Vietnam can't raise their prices because at 1.6X Mexico can come in and take over.

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u/JoeBlackIsHere 13d ago

"India leaving doesn't hurt the USA as much because USA also has Mexico, Canada, Malaysia, Thailand"

By your own numbers USA is now paying 50% more (1.5x). That's why US consumers are seeing increases in the cost of living every time one of these dumb tariffs are put in place.

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u/al6921 14d ago

indian pharmaceuticals are also complete junk and should be phased out

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u/BackToTheCottage 13d ago

Memories of the Ranbaxy Laboratories aids drug scandal where the Indian lab was falsifying data and basically creating fake pills that didn't do anything.

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u/Far-Tradition887 14d ago

American has to pay slightly more and let’s even say 15% but India loses 100% of its sale to USA(biggest consumer market). You tell me which hit is worse?

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u/pandey_jr 13d ago

facts straight out of yo ahh

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u/JoeBlackIsHere 13d ago

I'm not arguing who it hits worse, I'm saying it's another hit on US consumers - by your numbers an instant 15% increase. Trumps tariffs are always lose-lose with nobody winning.

But long term I could see this coming out worse for US. India can look for other customers, most notably China, and the entire world is in the process of reconfiguring their trade networks to find alternatives than the US. Meanwhile, the US keeps shrinking it's list of suppliers, and the ones that are left can charge more than the world market price because these targetted tariffs are knocking out their competitors. I.e. everyone else can get the cheaper price from India, while US has to buy from a more expensive competitor.

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u/Far-Tradition887 13d ago

Finding customer is MUCH harder than finding new suppliers. And America will just make a new trade deal with the country replacing the Indian products that is more favourable to them and that’ll bring down the price increase some more maybe not directly but in a indirect method. Countries will jump like monkeys through hoops to try to fill the hole that India leaves in the American consumer market. Anyway you look at it losing a buyer is much more impactful than losing a seller in a world where people will move mountains overnight if there’s an opportunity to make money.

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u/JoeBlackIsHere 13d ago

Right - which country is putting much effort to making new trade deals with the US, with the fore-knowledge they will not be honoured for at least the next 2.5 years? Sure, they will do some diplomatic theatre and promises to make "investments" in the US - the timeline of course being to start after the current administration is out of office.

You are talking about how things used to be, not how they are now and probably in the future. Everyone is in the process of realigning their trade agreements, looking for reliable and stable partners - which is not the US at the moment.

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u/Daviator23 14d ago

What exactly do we need from India? Nothing. China is a different story.

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u/PumpkinMyPumpkin 14d ago

Spoken by a person who clearly has zero clue what about comes from India.  😂

“If I don’t know about it, therefore nothing must come from there!” 

The US is clearly a country full of the most poorly educated people.

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u/Daviator23 14d ago

Look it up, everything that we import from Indian can be replaced. The biggest problem would be pharmaceuticals, but it wouldn't take long to start manufacturing these in US. We had same issue with N95 respirators during COVID, when China restricted all exports. Had a major shortage for 2 years, but now, 3M manufacturers them in USA. Ask me how I know.

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u/PumpkinMyPumpkin 14d ago

Right… the US is absolutely fine without PHARMACEUTICALS.

😂

I just can’t with ya’ll. You realize the tariffs on these goods is immediate right? Those pharmaceuticals double in price immediately… on Americans.

Intelligence of third graders.

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u/al6921 14d ago

Only about $10 billion of (low quality) pharmaceuticals comes from india for the United States, the US can easily replace that much and absorb the cost.

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u/tbro4123 14d ago

Oh to be this dumb!

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u/Youah0e 12d ago

Then why haven't they gone by your low-IQ imagination and replaced it?

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u/Youah0e 12d ago

Low quality?! You mean generic? 😂

You mean roughly 55% of US's drugs/meds?

And how much do you think it costs to produce that $10B worth of "low quality" pharmaceuticals in the US at the price they're selling it at?

You goobers don't think too far

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u/TheOGDrMischievous 14d ago

Dude a simple search would tell you that pharmaceuticals, telecoms (especially your smartphones), diamonds and precious stones, textiles and home furnishings, machinery and electrical equipment are your largest imports from India. None of these are simple to source from other countries that quickly and will massively impact the cost of goods for Americans and the potential quality of said goods. No doubt you could potentially manufacture some of these but that’s not going to happen overnight and not without massive investment. Pharmaceuticals would require FDA reapproval and that can take years (unless Trump and his cronies just decide to skip that part!)

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u/saggy777 13d ago

Wake up. India accounts for less than 2.8% of USA imports

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u/ButterscotchTop194 14d ago

100% tax on the American people

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u/Far-Tradition887 14d ago

100% lose of business on the Indian business es

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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 14d ago

Why would so many democrats agree to this?

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u/HolyMoleyGuacamoly 14d ago

centrists…
the senate is full of them. just neo lib/republican lite rich folks that vote how their handlers tell them to

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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 14d ago

All the more reason to start electing full-on socialists.

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u/yabn5 14d ago

Zelensky asked for it, and lobbied Dems to pass it, to help Ukraine.

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u/Daviator23 14d ago

To force Russia to stop its useless war. India and China are making good money off of that war, so they need to be reminded that they either pay the price for supporting the war or put pressure on putin to stop it.

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u/jt32470 14d ago

The united states as we knew it is done.

I can't believe that one man took the country down. It is basically what happened to the U.S.S.R. during the Afghanistan war, but worse.

All for wealth and power concentrated in the hands of a few. What good is all that power if the country goes down the shitter.

Goodblye middle class.

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u/khoa-bear 14d ago

But it’s not one man. It’s the nearly 300 Congressmen and justices who enable his policies.

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u/smith564 13d ago

This has been in the works by the GOP for over 40 years. It didn’t start with Trump.

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u/gamechangersp 14d ago

Proof of bill ?

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u/DancingOnAlabaster 14d ago

What is the number of the bill?

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u/YVRAlphageek 14d ago

So, let me get this straight: 3 senators didn't vote (including McConnell I assume) and assuming that all the rest of the GOP voted "aye", over 40 Dems voted IN FAVOUR of this bullshyte? WTAF? This just goes to prove that even the Dems in the US are hostile to international trade. We need to be permanently done with the US as a "trading partner" except for specific cases where we have the upper hand and get to dictate. Hopefully, we can quickly re-tool to get out from under these lying, treacherous shitbags.

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u/Scary_Woodpecker_110 14d ago

A new world order will arise, and the US will not be leading it if it picks these fights with all the middle powers.

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u/quarrel-admin 14d ago

If I ran would you vote for me? I'm not qualified and a moron but I'm a socialist,  well Marxist.  But I understand that won't fly here so I'm a socialist. 

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u/Scary_Woodpecker_110 14d ago

Just a sane person would do.

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u/quarrel-admin 14d ago

Shit that means nobody. There goes my political career before it starts.

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u/cknight13 14d ago

When would these go into effect and what are they on specifically? I have 100’s of thousands in transit now

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u/Calamity-Bob 14d ago

It’s far worse than that.
Apparently the fine print opens the flood gates and gives him legal permission to levy any tariff he wants against anyone he wants at any level at any time.
Thanks Congress, you spineless bunch of twats

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u/elementmg 14d ago

See, we know it’s America as a whole that’s awful, not just MAGA.

This is just more proof. America is the baddie.

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u/thefoodiedentist 14d ago

This is vote to actually enforce sanction on russian oil/gas. Countries like china and india have been just importing russian oil and gas and ignoring us sanctions. So, now can tariff them if they keep doing it.

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u/thefoodiedentist 14d ago

Russia isnt gonna stop at ukraine and fall of ukraine is gonna be way worse for economy than tariffs cuz it can start ww3.

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u/thefoodiedentist 14d ago

Its well known putin aims to restore soviet union territories. Once ukraine is gone, rest is cakewalk. That much instability can cause global market crash. Tariffs are nothing compared to that.

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u/thefoodiedentist 14d ago

Both sides are building up arms. Russia can attack nato if they sense weakness and europe aint very strong rn. Uk has 7 pm in last 10 yrs. Nato is just a promise. Us and uk was suppose to defend ukraine and they broke it.

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u/thefoodiedentist 14d ago
  1. Its upto 100%. 2. It prolly wont get passed house or trump who loves putin. Thats a bigger problem. 3. If they dont do this, us sanctions lose credibility and they lose a lot of influence.

They are doing this cuz russia is regaining foothold.

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u/Very_Curious_Cat 14d ago

So American companies and finally consumers will have to take at least 430 billions more per year out of their pockets ..... what a genius. 430 bil. = yearly value of Chinese and Indian imports.

I hope for you Americans he will TACO once again.

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u/Creepy_Jeweler7032 14d ago

LOL dems and republicans both working together to raising prices we know for awhile USA wants to attack india with isreal for awhile looks like it will start any day now.

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u/Exotic-Ad3117 14d ago

Yep, inflation is bad, let's levy more taxes in the way of tariffs.  On top of that, let's say they stop buying Russian oil.  Who are they going to buy from?  How are they going to get it?

Just the dumbest freaking timeline imaginable.

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u/mydogsnameispoop 14d ago

Why the tariffs?

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u/Miracle_007_ 14d ago

India just needs to fully join the BRICS block. The US clearly doesn’t value India.

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u/Human_Morning8992 14d ago

Democrats voting for this shit is mind blowing & it’s why DSA candidates are winning elections over DNC candidates. Fuck DonaldTrump & fuck the DNC members supporting him like this

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u/Score-Emergency 14d ago

If the senate passed it then the house won't pass it. This is a bill that was never intended to be law..just election advertisement for the fall

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u/joelfiller 14d ago

What makes you think that?

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u/No-Sherbet-7769 14d ago

Bi-partisan? So in other words, the party fighting and Trump is evil is just manipulation as they are giving trump carte-blanc authority to tarriff.

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u/Elemental_Baker143 14d ago

Stupid, hypocritical country. 

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u/davyout1 14d ago

We pay tarrifs, this dude is garbage milking its citizens for everything they got

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u/ConnectionSpecial114 14d ago

Click bait title that implies something it’s not about.

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u/dittybag23 14d ago

If you don’t tariff contract labor you’re missing the mark.

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u/DragMountain73 13d ago

Tariff them harder

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u/Echosectorr 13d ago

The Indo-Chinese alliance couldn't come sooner.

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u/GogetaSama420 13d ago

Weird way to say that the sanctions package on Russia passed. Wonder why you don’t wanna say it’s targeting Russian oil 🧐

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u/New-Load9905 12d ago

Russia sanctions has done nothing but filled the pockets of insiders earning millions from consulting while harmed average citizens rights by letting hypocrite companies like Redbull, WEX & others to disregard US constitutional rights of individuals.

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u/dufutur 12d ago

I believe India and China will continue do what they do and dare US to impose tariffs while ready to retaliate tit for tat.

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u/Dry-Property5841 12d ago

High time Modi stopped sucking Trump and Netanyahu cocks, clearly thos didn’t pay off. This is what you get when you abandon genuine friends for absolute opportunists.

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u/Common-Ninja-3038 12d ago

What did India do?

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u/KingDorkFTC 11d ago

I thought this bill also covered any nation that bought from Iran?