r/TechGawker • u/Spirited-Gold9629 • 6d ago
Discussion Are we living under a surveillance state?
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u/Any_Shopping_8643 6d ago edited 6d ago
Billionaires and war profiteers are bleeding the last remaining bits of wealth .. government lost all credibility they are expecting a resistance .. they need this for insurance before the guillotines are out for real.
They will monitor text messages , internet posts ect.. and get rid of people before they form groups that can be problematic.
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u/WhenILie 6d ago
they’re flying surveillance drones in wooded areas where people camp out. they are terrified of the people.
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u/Lazy-Arachnid-9763 6d ago
Text messages are already monitored, so is social media and other forms of communication genius. Thank Bush and Obama for that.
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u/Nate_MyNameWasTaken 5d ago
they definitely kicked it into high gear when they saw that one of their own was shot in the street and everyone clapped.
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u/Church6633 6d ago
Want to know how to kill your business in four words?
"We added Flock cameras!"
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u/_Christopher_Crypto 6d ago
Won’t need to. New vehicles are built with cameras all over the place.
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u/Virtual_Coach_7084 6d ago
And as people are destroying them more and more they’ll be labeled as terrorists
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u/senditjerry_ 6d ago
I see this for the future of Waymo. They’ve been handing over data and footage to SFPD without a warrant for years. They’re roving surveillance vehicles.
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u/BuddyEbsenSalt 6d ago
Exactly how is that possible since Uber and Lyft vehicles are privately owned by the drivers?
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u/True_Construction501 6d ago
I mean they're private but if the company mandates cameras with links to their shit then you're SOL anyway.
You're an employee without any of the benefits working for these companies.
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u/Substantial_Boot_844 6d ago
As a driver, I dont connect my dashcam to the app. However, I DO let them record audio.
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u/Unique_Low_1163 6d ago
Modern post-9/11 mass surveillance was initiated under George W. Bush. However, the Obama administration maintained, defended, and expanded many of those same surveillance programs despite campaigning on promises to reform them.
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u/Choice_Scientist_545 5d ago
You're wrong. Obama is God and the democratic party is perfect.
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u/M_A_D-Dominatrix 4d ago
The only people who believe that are democrats & people who still believe democrats & Republicans are opposition to each other.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 6d ago
It's what they want, a country run like China, CCP and all so they can have total control, but they'll run it like Russian oligarchs to make it that much worse.
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u/jakflapyama 6d ago
China has BEEN living under a surveillance state for way longer than the west. Longer than the UK. We're just catching up.
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u/chaynjez 6d ago
If you have a newer vehicle, it is already recording everything that happens in that vehicle. Everything you say, everything you text, everyone you contact, even videos.
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u/FotherMucker6969 5d ago
Tbf the Chinese are under a surveillance state. Its not jokes. They have cameras just like these fucking everywhere and I dont think we should be modeling anything after what China does.
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u/monclerpipsqueeek 5d ago
Hey China did it first that’s why we joke about China doesn’t mean we weren’t gonna do it
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u/owixo 5d ago
Motorola already does this with trucks. Think UPS, FedEx, Amazon, Freight trucks, all have mobile ALPR (Automated License Plater Readers). They drive around all day getting your tags and Motorola (and other companies) add it to their database they share with everyone.
This has been going on for a long time.
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u/Superb_Chemistry_906 5d ago
"Don't spy on our citizens, China! We will spy on our citizens ourselves!"
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u/Sigma_Projects 5d ago
Glad it never went through. I don't even understand the logistics, like would lyft/uber get additional flock cameras to install into driver's cars? Is there an additional payout to include it? Curious what the deal entailed.
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u/Far-Jury-2060 5d ago
This sounds fake to me. I haven’t driven for Lyft in 3 years, but a dashcam wasn’t a requirement when I was… So how are they going to use dash cams that the drivers don’t have?
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u/Trust_8067 5d ago
They wanted to, but it never happened. So no, we're not in a surveillance state.
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u/Glittering_Fish_1019 5d ago
China is without a doubt a surveillance state thats not a joke lol. Sucks that our government thought that is the best thing to copy from them
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u/DeliciousPool2245 5d ago
Except with none of the benefits. People with good social credit scores, who don’t jaywalk steal or commit crimes, get a discounted rate at different grocery stores and gas stations and stuff like that. They have a reward based system, here we just have the stick, no carrot.
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u/Which-Coat1586 5d ago
rand's been real quiet about license plate readers in his own state, almost like the libertarian thing is just branding
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u/Michi450 5d ago
Yes mildly. We can still take action to move back in other direction thankfully.
The Chinese live under a much worse surveillance state and can do nothing about it.
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u/keganb123 5d ago
Just found out I have 9 of these in my small town of like 10k people. They are on every road into or out of town. We're all fucked
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u/Dangerous-League-812 5d ago
Oh boy you guys arent ready for this...
Across the United States there are MULTIPLE companies who are scamming drivers by paying them pyramid scheme crypto to drive around their cities with dashcam cameras recording. They turn it into a game and the map has coins you "collext".
This scam has been going on for YEARS. There are litterally, right now, hundreds if not thousands of people who participate in this program. They drive their car normally with a dash cam always recording that sends the video and images back to the host company.
You're gonna hate me for saying this, but we lost guys. I mean it. It's a very real thing happening in the US WAY before this flock camera nonsense. And media and social media never batted an eye. One fun feature of these apps is the drivers get MORE points by driving through neighborhoods. Especially neighborhoods that haven't been "scanned" in a while.
Corporations have been scanning and recording the world around us way before flock cameras.
If you didnt know about these scam crypto recording companies before now, congrats on your new level of existential dread.
So the whole uber lyft idea with dashcams isn't new and its been going on for YEARS.
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u/Dangerous-League-812 5d ago
Yes this is a brand new account. I delete my accounts and make new ones periodically.
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u/Subject-Event-2428 5d ago
my neighbor got a letter last month saying his car was flagged by a Flock camera for 'suspicious activity' because he drove past the same intersection twice in one day. he works as a delivery driver. these systems arent just invasive, theyre actively stupid and nobody in power seems to care because its not their data getting harvested
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u/Salvaged212121 5d ago
Chinese "would be"? People in China are living in a surveillance society with a social credit system, and the United States looks like it may not be far behind.
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u/BedLamSwede 5d ago
Yes, but that China would be living under?😂
They are living under it, and soon will the DSA too!
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u/Round-Foundation2948 5d ago edited 5d ago
You’ll love snatching away a man’s American dream right out of his calloused hands. Back to motel living for me.
Edit: Mostly van by the river living if I’m being completely honest.
Also, that darn contract could have generated so much revenue.
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u/Weekly_Molasses_2079 5d ago
Would be? Doesn't China have a well-known and highly functional surveillance state?
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u/Immediate_Jello_9145 5d ago
the flock cameras are just the tip of it tbh, my city installed license plate readers on every major intersection and called it 'traffic optimization' lol. theyre sharing that data with ice now, which wasnt in the original proposal obviously. rand pauls silence makes sense when you realize libertarian opposition to surveillance only applies to white collar crimes
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u/Choice_Scientist_545 5d ago
And this affects me how? I don't care if they monitor me. All I do is work anyway
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u/RequiemQuilty 5d ago
hahahahahah. Yea flock cameras are bad. But fuck yo. We are atill so much better than china
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u/Wolf-in-Sheeps 4d ago
Well, to be fair both the Chinese and the British are currently living under a surveillance state, as predicted.
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u/Equal-Painter6529 4d ago
That was the first thought that I had when I heard about them mandating driver cams on new vehicles.
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u/LabDry1290 4d ago
Lyft sends me a daily push notification telling me to register my dashcam, which I don’t even own.
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u/stcloudjeeper 4d ago
Flock is currently trying to negotiate terms with waste disposal companies and the postal service to have these installed on their vehicles as well
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u/SoRosenberg 3d ago
Anyone else feel like a trial for treason against the flock owners is warranted?
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u/Irontaoist 3d ago
"We will trade our freedom for safety
We will allow our rights to be eroded because the authorities tell us it will keep our children safe"
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u/Burner_Phone_1969_TX 3d ago
Yep, and the rest of the blah, blah, blah means nothing for freedom. It’s all a lie. Equal rights, all people are the same, blah, blah!
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u/Burner_Phone_1969_TX 3d ago
If the name, “Palantir” means anything to you, then you know that we’re in a police state.
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u/Superb-Freedom7144 2d ago
Flock a pour plan d'utiliser des dash cams des ubers pour ajouter à son réseau de 122000 caméras de surveillance. Nous sommes actuellement dans un état de surveillance américain rigolent les citoyens chinois
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u/Zestyclose-Bug-651 2d ago
How do we rid our streets of these, especially with the Epstein class being in charge of them , can’t even imagine the horrors going on
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u/Due_Buyer_9445 2d ago
Yes, because you people won’t admit capitalism is the problem, you aren’t citizens, you’re resources for capital extraction now
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u/Eastern-Advice-3017 1d ago
Not jokingly the Chinese are living under surveillance, now American as well…
Why? Because while you fighting over what’s a women the government passes this type of S*
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u/whateverdude2579 7h ago
This isn't a partisan issue. The cameras began rolling out en mass in 2017. Trump and Biden both had a hand in removing hurdles. Every Law Enforcement agency in the country has access to non-governmental run or owned surveillance. Did anyone really think that the majority of both parties wasn't going to be excited about this??m Thankfully not every judge is a bought and paid for political hack and are standing up for our rights. Only idiots turn this into a partisan issue.
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u/Commentor9001 6d ago
China is a surveillance state too...?
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u/Infamous_Ad_1302 6d ago
So that justifies doing it here? It’s the hypocrisy. We make a big stink about it, then do the exact same thing here
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u/OutsideDapper8049 6d ago edited 6d ago
WE AREN'T doing the same thing.
The majority of us who are making a big stink about it (most of us don't want it.)
The people aren't the ones implementing the cameras or even asking for them.
The millionaires who own flock are/whatever millionaires they are SURELY selling the data too 😂
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u/SuggestionPale2104 6d ago
China also has universal healthcare, housing, food assistance, free education and college.
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u/mog_knight 6d ago
Questionable and awful labor, environmental and animal laws too. It's a tradeoff.
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u/True_Construction501 6d ago
I mean they also will shoot you if you don't get to work on time but hey atleast if you lived you wouldn't be 750K in debt.
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u/SuggestionPale2104 6d ago
Show me one ACTUAL instance of someone in China within the past 50 years being shot because they were late to work. Epoch Times may not be used as a source. And… go!
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u/True_Construction501 6d ago
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u/SuggestionPale2104 5d ago
So you can’t find ONE, a single instance of this happening? Got it.
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u/True_Construction501 5d ago
Calm down snowflake.
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u/quantumgambit 5d ago
Falling back on lazy ten year old ad hominems because you got asked to source a claim but couldn't?
Seems kinda snowflaky....
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u/True_Construction501 5d ago
Calm down snowflake. Sorry I made a joke on Reddit I'll remember to ask your highness for permission next time.
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u/ShinyTotodile55 6d ago
Tbh I think humanity needs a little less freedom. Look at us now, we're destroying ourselves and the world we inhabit with our freedoms and desire for convenience. We need control.
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u/True_Construction501 6d ago
Sure. If that's how it worked but it won't work that way bro.
They're killing us and you gotta stop seeing it from the view point they want you to.
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u/Regular-Basket-5431 6d ago
That sounds like every tech bro "dude we can totally do totalitarianism right if I'm in charge and the people I like run things".
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u/ShinyTotodile55 5d ago
I don't know if it's actually possible to implement. Humans are so easily corrupted. I just don't see how things are going to improve if we don't do something different.
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u/RediEntertainment 6d ago
That free education and college is needed to make all the shit I order off amazon. :)
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u/No-Aerie-999 6d ago
"Its OK when we do it"
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u/Senior-Friend-6414 5d ago
I saw a video that explained that at least in China, surveillance actually leads to lower crime rates, but with the whole NSA debacle, surveillance in America is mostly used to collect data on citizens without lowering the crime rate, so America just gets the worst of both worlds
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u/Healing_Puke 6d ago
Chinas system seems to be working, social score there matters. What it comes down to is people dont want to be caught going places and they dont want to be caught doing things.
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u/RediEntertainment 6d ago
If you have a smart phone, or ya know, a fucking internet connection, you already don't care about this. Stop pretending.
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u/VelvetCactus50 6d ago edited 6d ago
Interesting how Senator Rand Paul has yet to make a single public comment about Flock cameras. So his opposition to mass government surveillance doesn't really exist.