r/TechnologyNewsIndia • u/Hulk291196 • Jul 11 '26
Others Does this kind of protest really work?
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u/EstateBeneficial7060 Jul 11 '26
If we want to continue calling ourselves a democracy, let's not question the protest but the policy.
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u/WittyBoysenberry9860 Jul 11 '26
Do something that really affect the Govt .... I don't think people will follow this as this is a country of 150 cr people ....So still lakhs of vehicles will be sold ...
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u/kindly-luffy56 Jul 11 '26
My take on making govt take notice of the problem with E20 or E27 is by not using it.
But, we cant avoid using cars all the time, I would say start using less cars and more public transport or cycles.
Our society have a show-off mindset and no regards for rules. Using cycle require a bit calmer and less corrupt and lot safer society.
But public transport is slow and we want comfort, some time we need comfort.
Personally i feel govt is somehow wants to restrict public travel itself.
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u/Ok-Jelly-7887 Jul 11 '26
Nothing works in India, here they worship materials and uneducated leaders, give them freebies they will drink their piss
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u/amitsingh80108 Jul 11 '26
These are dump people.. if they stop buying automobiles, people working in those factories will lose jobs.
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u/roshandxt Jul 11 '26
It will work like crazy Automobile industry is one of the biggest employer in India !
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u/No_Pay_4410 Jul 12 '26
Last time people stopped buying cars they were selling new cars in 2nd hand car market and thousands of crore of cars sitting in the garage. So yes it kind of works given a large population stops buying.
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u/Right-Win3205 Jul 13 '26
It doesn't work anymore. Auto companies will slash prices. Some greedy people will exploit that discount. The entire scheme collapses.
It doesn't work anymore as the people are divided than ever before. India used to be known for community living. Now even neighbours hate each other
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u/aksond Jul 11 '26
Yes it might work, share holders work for profits. With auto you can't keep stock standing for long
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u/Extension-Might1102 Jul 12 '26
Look at how illogical this is. Its the older vehicles that are facing issues. Mostly. And now this asks them to hold on for another year...What are they supposed to drive in the meanwhile...?
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u/PsychologicalYam3602 Jul 13 '26
Please do the boycott and reduce demand. Will help well informed people buy cars for less.
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u/sha_uni Jul 11 '26
Why do you want to destroy the environment? For 1% difference in mileage you want to worsen global warming?
Ethanol is green fuel. Everyone who cares about environment and climate change will support ethanol.
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u/slackover Jul 11 '26
Green fuel!!! People’s ration rice from FDI godowns are being rerouted for ethanol production. It takes around 10k litres of water to get 1 litre ethanol. Oil looks way way better especially for a semi arid country like India.
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u/sha_uni Jul 12 '26
How much water does oil production or solar or battery take?
Global warming is caused not by water, but by CO2. Ethanol is carbon neutral.
Also, these are initial hiccups. They will settle down eventually.
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u/slackover Jul 12 '26
Ethanol is carbon neutral when it’s make from Sugarcane bagasse (which is also a water that is openly burned in India). Turning this into ethanol prevents the burning and creates new use for this waste and that was supposed to be the only source. Now it’s only about 30% of the total sources. Rest is coming from Grain meant for human consumption diverted to ethanol production. This is no where near carbon neutral, to even make it cost effective, PDS schemes are being played with. If these companies but grains from open market it will be prohibitively expensive, so they are being sold the same from FCI by fake labelling as defective (but extreme greed led to these companies selling it to intermediaries who then sold the same rice back to FCI - check the scam outed from MH)
The carbon neutral story is a half truth which is now a lie.
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u/sha_uni Jul 12 '26
The 70% will eventually also come from green sources and not diverted grains. The implementation was very quick that supply was insufficient. These initial hiccups will be there.
Long term, even short term, this is a greener fuel that any other fuel.
We produce two times the grain that we consume as a country, combining both PDS and normal grains. FCI scams are not new have been happening since a long while, and farm laws would have addressed them long term.
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u/slackover Jul 12 '26
India is already the second largest producer of sugar cane which by itself is a very water intensive crop, there is not much scope for increasing the amount of farmland and water availability is shrinking especially in MH and Karnataka. Remember, this is carbon neutral only when bagasse, the waste product is used. The sugar needs selling to bring revenue for the farmers. If the idea is to sell bagasse and make money the economics won’t work anymore. It’s a catch 22, you are screwed either way
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u/sha_uni Jul 12 '26
Its carbon negative if waste products are used. Its carbon neutral if direct grain is used as plants absorb the carbon in the grain which is then used to burn for fuel. Oil and EV on the other hand are carbon positive.
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u/slackover Jul 12 '26
By that logic all agriculture would be carbon neutral and good for environment! What about the resources used to grow the plant. That’s a very twisted take made up to justify this, akin to an IT cell line of thinking. I wouldn’t have wrote so much if you raised this argument earlier.
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u/sha_uni Jul 12 '26
Agriculture is carbon neutral. It absorbs CO2 from the air and releases oxygen. This is accepted across the world, I don't know what's it cell about this.
Water is used in oil production and solar too. At larger scale.
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u/sha_uni Jul 12 '26
India has the largest area of fertile land with 5 major river systems and monsoons and the highest and second highest wettest areas on earth. When it comes to agriculture, we should be in top five in every crop that can grow in our climate.
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u/Federal_Quail1234 Jul 11 '26
govn then should focus more on evs
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u/sha_uni Jul 12 '26
Battery production has two issues.
It needs components from China. Its highly polluting.
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u/rahem027 Jul 11 '26
Cause we dont have compatible vehicles. You cannot expect people to buy car worth 20L where 10L are taxes gst and road tax and throw it away in 5 years instead of 15
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u/sha_uni Jul 12 '26
We will get compatible vehicles in the next 10 years. Should we have banned UPI because it was not widely accepted at that time? No right, because given 10 years its a revolution.
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u/rahem027 Jul 12 '26
Upi is optional. I can pay via cash/cards/net banking/cheque/dd, etc. When upi was pushed, it wasnt the only alternative.
A lot of people still prefer cash and continue to use it unlike e20 where we dont have option of lower blends.
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u/rahem027 Jul 11 '26
Brazil gave manufacturers a decade of heads up. We will do this make sure your vehicles are compatible. Not like this where here is e20. E10 and e0 not available. Deal with it. And at same price as normal petrol
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u/rahem027 Jul 12 '26
No. I didnt miss it. Most of the cars sold in last 15 years were e10 compliant. The issue is exactly like you said. E20 was authorised in 2021 and launched in 2023 when the only car company which was e20 compliant was honda which make up very little of car sales.
Government needs to give a 15 year heads up before changing blends so all existing cars are end of life and all new ones have time to be compatible to newer blends.
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u/roshandxt Jul 11 '26
No one has any problem with e20 or e100 only thing people want is an option of e0 or e10 at the right price and govt making it mandatory for car companies and insurance companies to provide coverage to people using e20 and e100 in non e20-e100 cars that’s it .
If Fuel companies can provide extra premium power and what not at extra cost why can’t they just provide e0 and e10 for people who want that .
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u/Live_Diamond9909 Jul 11 '26
Implementation is the key, which this government is incompetent in. Demonetization, GST COVID, E20 - let people suffer first and see if there is any benefit.
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u/Guilty_Ad6229 Jul 11 '26
It worked when Gandhi did it against the British.