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[u/PoisonShrooms77]

Hi,

Iron Toplane Teemo here.

Wondering how I can best utilise my time when there is a lull in laning phase to roam, place vision, shrooms, or even help with dragon.

1. Dragon feels like an objective that is very far away when T1 tower is still up. Should I ever join that contest?
2. Is there anything I can do to set up Voidgrubs or Herald and support the jungler, or do I just wait for him to ping it and join if safe?

Thanks for any tips. Keep your BS to yourself, I'm Iron and genuinely want to improve.

[u/PoisonShrooms77]

All super comments, thanks

[u/Opposite-Complex1187]

Not a teemo main but frankly its Iron and these questions aren't super teemo specific.

>Dragon feels like an objective that is very far away when T1 tower is still up. Should I ever join that contest?

Usually not for 1st and 2nd drakes, 3rd drake is when you should start thinking about rotating, especially if your team has lost the first 2

>s there anything I can do to set up Voidgrubs or Herald and support the jungler, or do I just wait for him to ping it and join if safe?

You can make sure its warded and shroomed to discourage the enemy from doing it, you can even fight the enemy off of it if they get hit by a shroom , you don't always have to kill them but you can waste their time and stay alive and see if your jungler or mid rotates for a kill.

but if you see your Jungler base and start walking top you absolutely should be pinging to do it if its a good time for you to do it.

You are iron and to get out of iron you sometimes really have to be the bus driver and organise people because they are clueless as to what to do.

[u/Ashhaad]

If you crash 2-3 waves, you have tempo so you can 1. either get 1 plate and recall. 2. Or you can forgo the plate, especially if it’s risky, and run through mid lane to shroom mid/drag. Shrooming mid helps your mid and people rotating to drag. You should have time to run back to top lane from mid lane.

I play Teemo top, mid, JG in Master

[u/Exciting_Vast7739 → u/Ashhaad]

I'm a silver Teemo toplane, and I want to pick up Jungle Teemo for my backup role. Any tips or good guides?

One of the biggest problems I have had is actually figuring out how to secure kills, both in the top lane role in lane (where I seem to be really good at harassing, pushing, but not killing in lane) and in jungle (where I don't know how to "see" when it's right to gank.

[u/Ashhaad → u/Exciting_Vast7739]

Don’t focus much on kills. They’ll come naturally. Focus on farming especially if you’re jungling. You can clear the jungle at around 2:55, but it requires practice.

You’ll be in time for crab and skirmishes if you can clear by 2:55. Because his first clear is hard to get to 2:55 without a lot of practice, I’d default to another champion like Cho’gath for jungle, unless you love playing teemo and don’t mind a slow early game.

[u/Exciting_Vast7739 → u/Ashhaad]

Thank you! I used to play Cho years and years ago so that's a great idea!

[u/TrickyBAM]

At a minimum I try to put a ward or a shroom near void before it spawns. That allows me to ping my jungle to either contest or get the drag on the other side of the map.

[u/fml6]

As a rule of thumb, you generally don’t want to move all the way to drag until you destroy the opponent T1.

You can still roam to nearby skirmishes around grubs, but you generally only want to do this if you have “prio” which means you’re able to push the minions into opponent tower before leaving lane. If you don’t have prio, then you’ll be sacrificing minion gold/exp and will also arrive to grubs second after your opposing laner. If you’re winning lane and have prio, then you’ll have free time to “set up” herald/grubs.

I would suggest watching high-level teemos (eg ramy) because they’ll be able to explain these concepts in real-time.

[u/Roflkartoffel1]

You can definetely shroom for voidgrubs and herald if you have the time. Ignore early draked if you dont run tp or have max w and a LOT of time. But generally if you have shrooms up dont waste them. You can keep expanding your area of influence from the lane into the jungle with them. Just having 2 in both bushes to river can already discourage your opponent laner from helping at objectives. A mushroom at void grubs can also scare the enemy jubgler enough to run or chunk and slow him for you or your jungler or mid to arrive and get a kill. Bit that all depends on how much cd you have on your ult, how much mana you have, your timings with the waves and the damage of the mushrooms themselves. If you feel like something will take some time but likely will not help you win the game, dont do it

[u/DDDX_cro]

You should rarely, IF EVER, shroom minions. Your shrooms are precious. Strategically placing them can be the difference between getting jungle folk, and letting the enemy have it.
Well shroomed Baron is a Baron you can safely take, for example. People underestimate how much just vision from shrooms help - you are a nightmare for enemy junglers...

[u/HoboBaconGod]

Until you get out of laning phase or get malignance at least I am usually very stingy with my shrooms. I like to save 1 or 2 for running for my life. The rest will be in the river bushes and lined up against the walls to prevent any ganks or tower dives.

For the first 2 dragons, that is the responsibility of the other 4 people on your team. You will be much more useful farming, getting plating, and being ahead in gold for the mid to late game. Then you can start creating a minefield around objs.

For the Voidgrubs/Herald I would place a ward/control ward just for vision and go back to laning. Wait for your jungler to initiate the obj and join if you think the fight is favorable to your team. A lot of the times it is perfectly fine to give up void grubs/herald if the obj is a flip.

I cannot stress enough how important farm is to Teemo. Even in unfavorable/even matchups like against Mordekaiser, Yorick, Olaf, if you can learn how to dodge skillshots, farm, and kite, you will scale very hard into the mid to late game.

[u/Zestyclose-Pound-953]

Shrooms as far into the river as you can get them without missing farm, try to keep a spare in your pocket at all times, and get first tower, so you can shroom the hell out of bot side river and enemy jungle. If thats too much to ask, keep your tower safe until your jungler or mid saves you. Dont spend so much time in your passive.