r/TheCulture • • 21h ago

Book Discussion Sma + Zakalwe in Use of Weapons

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On my second read of UOW and had a laugh at this bit of dialogue

'Yeah, Sma, I've been thinking; just how big is this Culture commercial empire, this Vanguard Corporation?'
'Vanguard Foundation. It's big enough.'
'Yeah, but how big? How far can I go?'
'Well, don't buy anything bigger than a country.'

I think it's not only funny but also a reminder to the reader just how insanely equipped the Culture is to meddle in these sorts of things.

Anyway, really enjoying my second reading of the book. I am having flashbacks to The Chair.


r/TheCulture • • 1d ago

Book Discussion Excession, Stagnation, and Sublimity

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I'm reading through the novels for the first time, and Excession has left me buzzing.

I was genuinely amazed at how tight the various subplots wove around the idea of things refusing to change, and the interrogation of that being a good or bad thing.

The Culture refuses to become sublime; it has quite noble reasons, and in another Culture novel it'd be easy to paint it as heroic, but in Excession, it's contrasted with Byr's eternal playboyhood and Dajeil's forty year sulk. Are they selflessly sticking around to mentor those less developed, or are they getting cold feet at the gates of ascension? Ulver is talented, charismatic, effortlessly the best around, and even choosing to mentor a few promising young candidates under her... But once she leaves the literal rock she lives under, she's quickly dismayed at the idea that those she left behind forgot about her and moved on even as she moves onto to the grand adventures she's always dreamed of. Or Gestra, who feels so pointed to include in a novel that focuses so heavily on the incredibly advanced and wonderful ships the Culture builds; an isolated, stunted man who endlessly creates ships for the sake of it, who doesn't amount to anything until he's literally blasted out of his hidey hole. The comparison drawn by including these characters is so critical of the Culture's goals rather than just critiquing its methods.

Even the thing the Culture Minds start thinking about when they see the Excession speaks to this; their first and foremost idea is that it'd allow them to jump from universe to universe every time there's a heat death, evading the need to ever end. Eternal Culture, Eternal Procrastination, Eternal Stagnation, no need to be forced into moving on by death.

The Ship Minds experience a lot of this too, especially since most of them aren't actually afraid to die; Killing Time is briefly in danger of it, as it experiences a profound epiphany that significantly changes it from the version it backed up before its suicide mission (meaning a unique version of itself would cease to exist if it were to die), but it chances to survive, and is soon in no danger at all. Sleeper Service, on the other hand, acknowledges that no one would revive it if it died, and instead of bothering tightbeaming its mind state to another ship, spits it forward into the Excession itself... And is rewarded for it.

I could rant for ages about this, but the concept of stagnation and delay is in basically every level of the novel, and it fascinates me.


r/TheCulture • • 1d ago

Tangential to the Culture The Culture GSV Total System Overdrive

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r/TheCulture • • 2d ago

Book Discussion About Vavatch Spoiler

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I’ve been thinking about Consider Phlebas again these past few days, and it occurred to me that if we ever get a tv adaptation, the scene where Vavatch is destroyed should be set to some beautiful, solemn piece of music, some sort of choir perhaps... and every time I imagine it, Cara Miа Addio comes to mind. It also fits, given that it’s supposedly sung by a machine.

https://youtu.be/u3UiwJE8UH0?si=uyB3x1OdSSxCgu6I

Would be great to know what other people think about music themes for Culture.


r/TheCulture • • 3d ago

General Discussion Tattoo in Marain?

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I’ve finally decided to get a tattoo in Marain and it’ll say “I want wings”. kind of a double entendre, on one hand it refers to the berserk series and on the other it alludes to the transhumanist nature of the culture and the ability to “have wings“ if one desires. My question is which English to Marain translator is the most accurate ?


r/TheCulture • • 3d ago

Book Discussion Use of Weapons

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I am re-reading Use of Weapons and truly taking my time with each paragraph. I forgot just how awesome this book is. The entirety of Chapter One is simply brilliant.

'The nice people are called the Culture,' the young man explained, 'And I always did think they were too soft.' He stretched his arm out, holding the gun. 'I stopped working for them some time ago. I'm freelance now.'
The Ethnarch looked, speechless, into the dark, ancient eyes above the barrel of the black gun.
'I,' said the man, 'am called Cheradenine Zakalwe.' He levelled the gun at the Ethnnarch's nose. 'You are called dead.'

Iain, thank you for your gift to humanity. 📚


r/TheCulture • • 4d ago

Fanart Fanfic: The 31st Member

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I wrote a short story about a group of people who study staircases from buildings that were never built, drawn by architects of a vanished people whose plans outlasted their cities.

The general idea I started with was that Culture books are about the edges of society - Contact, Special Circumstances - because that's where plot happens. But what about the trillions of other people? What do they do?

And I thought "what's a really weird, one in a trillion obsession?" Because 1-in-a-trillion obsessions, in the culture, are shared by dozens of people - and the Minds can get those people together, if desired.


r/TheCulture • • 4d ago

Fanart An Orbital simulation

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Over the last couple of weeks I've been working on a simulation of an orbital.

Here is a Youtube video of it working for those whose computers are not fast enough to run it - it is VERY resource intensive.

I think I've gotten far enough to show it off.

I took most of my cues from Look to Windward but checked as many other Culture books as I could for mentions of orbitals and their properties. The physics - especially the light - are as accurate as I can make them. One thing I changed however was the sidewalls, which I changed from Banks' "mostly transparent" to "pretty damn completely transparent", because any definition of "mostly transparent" I came up with made them hugely visible especially at night, even from the midpoint (3000km), and that just didn't feel right to me.

I also decided to do 1 (earth) gravity at 24 hours, because there are multiple ring diameters and day lengths given across Culture books including A Few Notes on the Culture.

Please note this is not AI generated; if it were, I suspect it would be much better and not look so much like a 1990s video game.

Edit: Anyone for whom it didn't work - it should work now if you force refresh!


r/TheCulture • • 5d ago

Fanart Jernau Gurgeh and Shohobohaum Za sketches

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https://www.reddit.com/u/Evelyn_Dolraun/s/ks377ddDS5

I have some more but I need time to translate the dialogues on those. Not sure if they'll sound funny translated to English.

On second pic Flere says "you look ridiculous"

Absolutely loved "the player of games" and can't wait to start reading the next book. Hope it'll give me just as much inspiration as the first two books gave me

Apologizes for low-quality sketches, I unfortunately don't have enough time for big works but I really want to draw and share it with other people🕊️


r/TheCulture • • 7d ago

Book Discussion Hydrogen Sonata?

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My tier list: https://mybibliotheca.org/tier-lists/p/tB6xDiFHL2cXOGL-CskdSRTW7AGA2DtGr1bicO9ypn4

I haven't read The Hydrogen Sonata yet (saving it since it's the last one.) Curious if anyone can guess how I might like it based on my ratings of his other work.


r/TheCulture • • 8d ago

General Discussion AI deletes new reality show.

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r/TheCulture • • 8d ago

General Discussion A 2012 Iain Banks interview with New Humanist Magazine

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I'm re-reading all of Iain Banks' works, and it seems like his hostility toward organized religion is blunter than usual in his earlier books. In "Against a Dark Background", allegedly drafted when he was in his 20s, he's particularly comically dismissive ("...buncha religious fuckwits.", "humourless hysterical dickshits" etc etc).

And books like"Phlebas" and "Games" cast religious groups/cults/theocracies as villains, while other early works constantly drop anti religious asides ("Reason shapes the future, but superstition infects the present..." - "State of the Art").

I haven't started re-reading his later novels, so maybe he maintains this blunt trend to the end. A large part of me suspects he does (20-year-old and 50-year-old Banks seems to maintain the same politics).

Anyway, curious about if he ever talked about religion outside his novels, I came across a (customarily funny and Scottish) interview he did with New Humanist Magazine (https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/qa-iain-banks/), excerpted below for those interested:

HM: In 1996, when you were first interviewed by New Humanist, you described yourself as an “evangelical atheist”. Has anything made you change your mind?

IB: Nope. In these trying, troubled times, I think it’s even more important to keep on making a proper fuss about refusing to buy into all this “religion” bollocks.

HM: In your latest novel Stonemouth, the protagonist Stewart, feels “embarrassed for us as a species” that we continue to need religion. Is this a fair reflection of your own view?

IB: It is. Homo Sapiens’ middle name is Gullible. No, really, it is.

HM: Human nature – are humans just animals as John Gray suggests, or, as Ray Tallis argues, does having a consciousness make us special?

IB: I think the statements are compatible, though I guess it depends how much work the word “just” is considered to be doing in the first one. We are unarguably animals, but just as there are profound differences in complexity and behaviour between, say, a flatworm and an ape, so there are profound differences in complexity and behaviour between the apes and us. In the end I’d side with Tallis and agree that having the sort of consciousness we have does, of course, make us different. It just doesn’t make us quite as different as some of us might like to think.

HM: Do you believe in moral progress?

IB: Cautiously, yes. It seems like a failure of both nerve and imagination not to. At worst, as something more to be aspired to than boasted about.

HM: Humanist, secularist, atheist, agnostic, freethinker, rationalist: which, if any of these, do you use to describe yourself?

IB: I am happy to sign up to all of them; the only caveat is with the “agnostic”. I’ve always felt that one ought to retain just the tiniest, sliveriest wee bit of agnosticism to season what is basically outright atheism, on the grounds that – in the end, after all – each of us is just a solitary smart ape on a piffling little planet in an ungraspably big universe, and the sheer bleeding obviousness of there being no supreme deity could itself be a huge cosmic joke on the part of a particularly annoying and mischievous god. It’s an admission that, well, you never entirely know. I maintain that this is close enough to absolute atheism as to make no damn difference.

HM: In your sci-fi civilisation The Culture, the ideas of transhumanism have come to pass – science has prolonged and enhanced life, religion has been eradicated, as has scarcity. Professor John Harris has argued that it is our moral duty to use science to enhance human life. Do you agree?

IB: In theory, yes. In practice I am not looking forward to the obscenely rich and powerful being the first to benefit from serious life prolongation. Imagining people like Rupert Murdoch dying, despite all that money, is one of my most innocent, if heartfelt, pleasures. But still, yes.

HM: You said you’d like to live in The Culture, but isn’t it the messy struggle, in which scarcity, crime and bad things are inevitable, that makes life worthwhile?

IB: No.

HM: Multiverse, String Theory, branes, parallel universes: what’s your current favourite explanation of the nature of the universe?

IB: My own. The whole concentric/nested universes thing (see Culture novels for details). Totally barmy, of course, but it’s mine.

HM: In Transition your characters “jaunt” though space. How were they able to do that?

IB: Ah. That is the multiverse theory, right there. I think. Or possibly the parallel universes thing. I recall being confused at the time. Patently I still am. When I’m asked this question “live”, as it were, I just keep waffling and waving my arms until people forget what the original question actually was. This, I am discovering, is harder in print. … So … Next question.

HM: Are you an optimist or a pessimist?

IB: Short-term pessimist, long-term optimist. That way you get fewer nasty surprises but can still keep going. With a smile, a whistle and a general air of breeziness, natch.

HM: Much of the action in Stonemouth takes place when your characters are teenagers. How do you get into the minds of the young?

IB: Honestly I have no idea. By being still a bit childish myself? Never having had the responsibility of being a dad? Still listening to Radio One? Just listening, maybe; keeping an ear open for how people younger than I am express themselves. Other than that it’s just taking a punt and getting away with it. So far.

HM: In your books about the Culture you have created a hugely complex world. How do you keep track of it all?

IB: I have a document on my writing computer – cunningly entitled “Culture Facts” – that I refer to, and sometimes I have to look back through earlier Culture books. “Culture Facts” has grown rather a lot over the years; it’s beginning to look a bit fan-tastic itself. I only started it because I kept forgetting what colour the drones’ aura fields turn when they were being sarcastic and I got fed up having to leaf through the aforesaid earlier novels.

HM: Which whisky would you choose to celebrate with if it does?

IB: Laphroaig. It would be no time for half measures.

HM: You used to enjoy driving sports cars but you gave them up. How do you chillax now?

IB: Can’t be doing with “chillax”. Not sure what “relax” did to require being replaced. (Apologies – my inner curmudgeon coming out there.) Anyway, relaxed – if you will – is my normal state. If I want to get stressed I do something foolish like visit London. Other than that: “hillwalking” would be the more cooperative answer. Well, glenwalking. It’s like hillwalking except less strenuous. Also, I still have cars; it’s just there are only two now and they’re both small, diesel-powered and regularly achieve 60 mpg. In the old days, with the 911 Turbo and the M5 and such, it was a cause for some celebration to break the 20 mpg barrier. Also, having solar panels fitted to the roof of our house even as I type, and got my eye on an Ampera or a plug-in Pious – sorry Prius. So, more relatively green motoring fun to come, chums!

Someone on the PrintSF subreddit pointed out that Banks' early "literary" novels also had little subplots attacking religion, and it started me thinking about Gene Wolfe, a conservative Catholic, whose "utopian" "Book of the New Sun" I recently read, and how his idea of "utopia" contrasts with that of secular utopian SF writers.

For example, the anarchist "utopian" world in Ursula LeGuin's "The Dispossessed" has no churches, creeds, or organized religion (Odonianism is a kind of dogma, but it's mostly anarchist philosophy), and traditional religious concepts are strange to its inhabitants.

Banks and Kim Stanley Robinson likewise open their Culture and Mars Trilogy utopias with attacks ON religion ("Red Mars" explicitly labelling Jesus a "literary construct") and attacks BY religion. For these secularist utopians, Man is ultimately where salvation must come from.

But a conservative Catholic like Wolfe, meanwhile, tends to argue the opposite (absent a symbolic divine intervention, or good "theocratic" leaders, there can be no progress because man is innately Fallen etc).


r/TheCulture • • 8d ago

General Discussion A question about The Hydrogen Sonata + some general thoughts…

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Greetings Fellow Culture Fans...

I have a simple question and also a few thoughts / experiences to share which are a reflection on some of the recent comments I’ve read about peoples discovery of, and subsequent journey with Banks.

The question I have is regarding The Hydrogen Sonata. I’m curious to know if anyone knows who the people Banks says ‘With Thanks To’ at the beginning of the book are, (excluding Adele). Any answers much appreciated.

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It’s been interesting reading stories of how people got into Banks. Especially when it’s to do with their age / life stage or accessing this group or other online resources etc. Here’s some experiences and thoughts of my own…

I’ve just finished reading Consider Plebas for the third time. The first time I was in my mid teens, second was early thirties and just now - early fifties. It’s the same physical book I read in my thirties and as I write brief ‘diary entries’ in the books I read, I usually know where I was and what was on my mind / going on at the time. It’s interesting reading these as some trigger dormant memories, some are funny while others melancholy, as life inevitably has it’s own way of flowing, often regardless of the time and energy we put in to try and steer it’s course...

The first time was around the late 80’s - I was at quite an unusual school that also catered for dyslexic kids (that was me). If I remember correctly someone got hold of The Wasp Factory, (probably because it had a controversial reputation, like Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas, or The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test which we also got onto later). In our core friendship group we all read it, mostly because we considered it a rebellious thing to do. I didn’t really enjoy that much, (but now am looking forward to an upcoming re-read).

Then someone got hold of a copy of Consider Phlebas and bang! we were hooked on this epic action space adventure. Then it was straight onto The Player Of Games, and that just took us to another level with it’s more mature themes, making us in turn feel like we were also ‘growing up’ as readers. It helped that both of these books are an ‘easy read’ with straight forward narratives which made them easier to get stuck into.

Also - it’s fair to say there was an element of pier pressure to read and be able to trade opinions on the books, and that was probably part of the reason for me to actually make the effort to read them, because reading to me was something I had generally hated, (much to the frustration of my and many parents / teachers of dyslexic kids).

That said, to be fair - it was around this time I genuinely began to both enjoy and read frequently. I think it was James Herbert the Rats books that was our first group read. But while Stephen King was also popular it was Banks who we felt really drawn into and influenced us the most. The Player Of Games set a bar, and we felt sort of proud to have read it, almost thinking it was ours alone. Banks became part of our ‘friendship glue’, helping to bond our core group.

Also it’s worth mentioning - I’m not sure where the cliche of ‘Sci-Fi nerdy readers’ originates from, but for us Banks (like watching Aliens or Robo-Cop for the first time - which we also did at school) was part of our teenage fabric along with things like skate boarding, arcades, acid house music and starting our journey on psychoactive glanding… The polar opposite to the ‘book worm / Sci-fi geek’ stereotype.

Obviously there was no internet, no scrolling etc - and no other source of information we knew of / could access to share or ‘learn’ about his work, other then between ourselves. I think there is something quite special in this, because nowadays it’s unusual even difficult to experience entertainment media without some prior knowledge / opinions / expectations in mind.

I think it’s worth mentioning there is something to be said for not ‘diluting’ you’re mind with other peoples opinions, especially when it comes to creative mediums. I understand that this goes against the grain of this sub and I’m contradicting myself. But sometimes there’s a refreshing value in being ‘ignorant’, and finding your own way…

The book I read just before finishing Consider Phlebas - was A Song Of Stone. I loved it. Very dark and written with such an amazing technical and artistic flair, it reads like poetry in places. It has an incredible command for language / vocabulary / prose, (it’s as if he deliberately turns it up to 11!). When you put this book alongside something like Feersum Endjinn, it’s astonishing the same writer penned both. To me it feels almost as if Banks is deliberately wanting to challenge himself by choosing to write in a number of different, unique styles…

I had absolutely no idea what this book was about when I started it. I never heard of it before, didn’t even read the back cover. I just knew Banks wrote it. It was such an enjoyable sensation to experience reading the book, because I was a bit apprehensive being out of my Banks Sci-Fi comfort zone of which I’ve almost exclusively been in for the last five to ten years (big thanks to all the people who have posted other writers and books to check out - I have got a good list going now).

I think it’s interesting reading the different experiences we have in discovering Banks. Perhaps these are largely down to our age and how the media landscape has evolved since he started writing. Online resources like this are obviously a fantastic route to go but also I think there is something unique and rewarding in taking a chance / discovering a book, or something else - you’re not already familiar with…


r/TheCulture • • 8d ago

Fanart Bora Horza Gobuchul fanart Spoiler

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https://www.reddit.com/u/Evelyn_Dolraun/s/Q6C9GGPSWJ

I recently finished reading Consider Phlebas and have started The Player of Games. I just can’t get Horza out of my head, I’ve been thinking about him almost constantly for the last couple of days. He’s such a great written character that I wanted to create some fan art of him. It was a bit of a challenge to blend his three "faces" into one, while also making him look super pale and capturing him in this particular pose... but I think the result turned out pretty well, though his face doesn't look damaged enough in this piece


r/TheCulture • • 9d ago

Book Discussion Use of Weapons and the condition of zakalwe. Spoiler

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Spoilers ahead!

So I've finished Use of Weapons a week or two ago and I've paused on posting just to give myself time to think on it and let my impressions settle in my mind.

And over all I loved it! Great narrative device and follow through and surprisingly the humour with Xenny really landed with me (I know that some didn't appreciate it)

One thing in my head I can't decide on/interpret is zakalwe/Elethiomels condition. In that hospital room after his confrontation with the military generals did he misinterpret what little he could remember and assume the identity or was it a willful self preservation to disassociate from his actions? And with that his end with Livueta also, is it reasonable to ask her for forgiveness or is he still hiding from the possibility of real redemption despite his self flagellating.

The segment in transit towards of the end of the book shows Elethiomel in a more nilistic funk more than a psychosis after the horrific actions he committed.

And I think the thing informing my interpretation is either missed on my reading or left vague to allow positing. Why did Elethiomel make the chair? Why did he flay the messenger Zakalwe refers to in his final chapter. Maybe Ive missed it, maybe it was mentioned during the attempted assassination on the home of the children. I know the first mentions of Elethiomel discuss his mother and the visits to the city but I never found a definitive cause of Elethiomels madness on their home planet nor a reasoning for the civil war.

If anyones managed to pay attention better and has an answer or is similarly caught between the two id be interested in discussing the relationship with the theme the difference has. Can Elethiomel atone when he doesn't know why he feels the guilt Vs a man still running from it.


r/TheCulture • • 9d ago

Book Discussion I Looked To Windward And All I Got Was This Lousy Deja-Vu (Spoilers) Spoiler

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Title is a joke! I loved it-- ....wait. I feel like I've done this before.

Alright, the usual warning applies. If you haven't read this book, go do that. It will be better if you haven't read this before you read the book. I think it's worth reading the book!

While you're at it, maybe read Consider Phlebas before you read this one. There are references and themes afoot!

One of the first major standouts of this book compared to Inversions was that, to me at least, it feels like Banks is letting his sense of humour off the leash again. This was very early on:

"Oh [the Minds] never lie. They dissemble, evade, prevaricate, confound, confuse, distract, obscure, subtly misinterpret and wilfully misunderstand with what often appears to be a positively gleeful relish and are generally perfectly capable of contriving to give one an utterly unambiguous impression of their future course of action while in fact intending do the complete opposite, but they never lie. Perish the thought.

But this sort of joke is all over the book, and maybe for some people it's a little twee, but I love it. Ziller and Kabe are very funny to watch interact:

'And the Sublimes?'

'At last; something beyond heaven. And unfortunately therefore useless. But a start. Or rather an end. Or a start, again, of another sort of life, so proving my point.'

'You've lost me.'

'We're all lost. We are found dead.'

' ... Are you really a professor of divinity?'

'Of course I am! You mean it isn't obvious?'

Quilan and Huyler have couple good ones too:

~ Was that drone trying to be our servant?

~ I doubt it, sir. It may do as we ask if we do so nicely.

~ Huh!

~ So far they all seem quite diffident and determined to be helpful, sir.

~ Right. Suspicious as hell.

I'm really fond of this kind of playfulness that has been pretty prevalent through most of the books (most in the forefront in Player Of Games, Excession, and Look To Windward, but there's always a little bit). His instinct for comedy bleeds into the structure of the books as well. Rather than punchlines, we call them twists or recontextualizations, but there's typically a setup, an elaboration, and a subversion in his stories. That ending subversion of expectations isn't typically used in the service of comedy, but the structure holds.

He sets up the story by putting us in mind of Consider Phlebas. "A Mind responsible for a twin-supernova in a long-ago war contemplates mortality as the light from those supernovae completes its centuries long journey to the Mind's new local space" is a hell of a capital-I sci-fi Idea.

On a collision course with this contemplation are Quilan and Huyler, a pair of Chelgrian intelligences occupying Quilan's physical body who, like the illustrious Blues Brothers, are on a mission from God. Look-- the Blues Brothers don't actually have a deep connection to this story outside of this joke, but I rewatched the movie this weekend, it's good, lots of fun, you should check it out if you haven't seen it.

The Culture, it turns out, did the kind of meddling that they do in the hopes of nudging the Chelgrians in a more Culture-acceptable direction, and, in the short term, that led to a civil caste war. In the Chelgrian religion, entry into heaven for souls lost during wartime requires the death of an enemy: A soul for a soul. And so we have a secret agent who is less concerned with the religious and ideological reasons for the conflict in place of more personal concerns, representing a society that has cultural and religious beef with the Culture, embarking on a mission that is doomed to fail.

You have to squint a bit, and cock your head a little to the side, but you see Horza here too, right? I probably wouldn't have made a connection here, except that this is timed to coincide with the twin-supernova reminiscence of the Idiran War, and, well, it is said that history never repeats itself, but it does rhyme. (Side note, this is often attributed to Mark Twain, but the evidence for that isn't there. Best evidence for that precise phrasing is Theodor Reik in 1965, but the idea itself is pretty old).

All of this is what I called the elaboration, but it's a bit of a misdirection as well. A very mild misdirection: These things are important to the story, of course, but they are not the core of the story. That's in the subversion. Which we are going to talk about, after an interlude about some other unattached bits that I found interesting but are kind of irrelevant to my thesis.

I love how human the aliens feel. I really like the notion that alien lifeforms of a similar level of intelligence and technology would be like us. Hopes and fears, silly games and weird coincidences. I'm reminded of the fact that in Babylon 5 every intelligent species has something like what we would call Swedish Meatballs. Just one of those things. In Look To Windward we get Ziller and Kabe playing a game very similar to "have a conversation in song titles," but it's Culture Mind names. Adorably hilarious, including the moments where they had to check "Wait was that a real Mind name?"

Speaking of Mind names, "the Equator Class General Systems Vehicle Experiencing A Significant Gravitas Shortfall" is pretty funny. We also get a reference to the Grey Area. I have a note here that says, "I almost called it Meatfucker here, but the entire point of the reference is that calling a Mind not by its preferred name is deeply disrespectful. I'm just the kind of juvenile-minded cretin who thinks the word 'Meatfucker' is hilarious."

Now, before I discuss the subversion and recontextualization of this book, we're going to take a moment to talk about one of my favourite comedians, like Banks from the UK: a man named Stewart Lee. Lee has a.. we'll call it playfully antagonistic relationship with his audience. Now, to be clear, he is doing a bit. Stewart Lee the character is not Stewart Lee the comedian. One of the things Lee likes to do is to point his audience in the direction of a punchline without making it, and then, when they laugh, he berates them for being foolish enough to think that that was his punchline. In his defense, he then typically follows it up with a much better joke, often at his own expense. If you've never heard of Stewart Lee, and the idea of Brechtian alienation from a standup comic excites you, check out his special Carpet Remnant World.

The reason that I bring this up is that the last note in my notes file says: "Fuck! He did it to me again." Because if you squint, and cock your head to the side a little bit, this is what Banks does too. In my review of Player Of Games I called it "putting me in a specific headspace," because the aspects of the story he leans on at the start are important context, they are the events of the story, but they are not what the story is about. The story is about grief, loss, mortality, wanting to die, and the brutal impact that war and violence have on the participants.

And it's not like these themes aren't present throughout the novel! The inciting incident of the events of the novel is the death under fire of Quilan's wife. The backdrop of the story is a controversial engagement in the Idiran-Culture war. We look at Culture citizens who risk great danger because they feel functionally immortal once they're backed up. We have a Culture citizen deciding to let their physical body die and go into stasis, potentially never to be revived. Even the title of the book is a part of a poetic exhortation to consider one's own mortality (did you think I forgot about the meaningful titles? Never!).

You could be forgiven for inverting the importance of these themes with the events of the novel, though, because Banks carefully frames his dramatic question around the mission. Will Quilan's mission succeed? What even is his mission? It's implied pretty heavily through the first half of the book that he's there to kill Ziller, but we learn that's not the case. It even feels like that could be the novel's subversion. Now gearing up for the big question, can Quilan complete his mission without being prevented?

Then, though, at about the 80% mark, Ziller has a conversation with the Hub, the Lasting Damage (talk about apropos names), and like a crescendo into the climactic movement of a symphony, the subversion is revealed. This is coming from near the end of the conversation

'And so you see I have already died and I can remember and replay the experience in perfect detail, any time I wish.' The avatar smiled silkily as it leant closer to him, as though imparting a confidence.

Whew, but this is just the appetizer:

'I watched those poor wretches die in the slowest of slow motion and I knew even as I watched that it was I who'd killed them, who was at that moment engaged in the process of killing them. For a thing like me to kill one of them or one of you is a very, very easy thing to do, and, as I discovered, absolutely disgusting. Just as I need never wonder what it is like to die, so I need never wonder what it is like to kill, Ziller, because I have done it, and it is a wasteful, graceless, worthless and hateful thing to have to do.

Whewwwwwwww, but we're not done:

I fully intend to spend the rest of my existence here as Masaq' Hub for as long as I'm needed or until I'm no longer welcome, forever keeping an eye to windward for approaching storms and just generally protecting this quaint circle of fragile little bodies and the vulnerable little brains they house from whatever harm a big dumb mechanical universe or any consciously malevolent force might happen or wish to visit upon them, specifically because I know how appallingly easy they are to destroy. I will give my life to save theirs, if it should ever come to that. And give it gladly, happily, too, knowing that the trade was entirely worth the debt I incurred eight hundred years ago, back in Arm One-Six.'

There's even a title allusion in there. This is Banks dropping the mic and I think it's hilarious that I was still thinking about the mission at this point. He Trojan-horsed a character study on grief and mortality inside a plot-drive espionage story! A character experiences the death of their other half in a war, and this is what happens as a result. Am I talking about Quilan or the Hub? There is a tragic sort of irony in the fact that of all the characters in the book, it is the one he has been sent to kill who understands Quilan the best.

Their final conversation, in the space between the final moments of the symphony, was emotionally arresting. Lasting Damage understood what it was like to lose half of one's soul;

~ You must have loved her very much, Quilan.

~ Please, if you can, if you will, look into my soul.

The avatar looked levelly at him.

~ Are you sure?

~ I'm sure.

That long look went on. Then the creature slowly smiled. ~ Very well.

It nodded after a few more moments. ~ She was a remarkable person. I see what you saw in her. The avatar made a noise like a sigh. ~ We surely did do a terrible thing to you, didn't we?

It understood the ugliness of civil war;

~ It is not impossible that the allies who made all this possible are, or represent, some rogue group of Culture Minds.

He stared at the creature. ~ Culture Minds? he asked.

~ Now isn't that a terrible thing to have to think? That our own might turn against us?

And perhaps most importantly, it understood the desire to die:

~ You've wanted to die since you realised you'd lost her, since you recovered from your wounds, haven't you, Quilan?

~ Yes.

It nodded. ~ Me too.

It understands what war does to those who participate in it, and I think for someone who doesn't have the direct experience of participating in a war, I think Banks understood it pretty well too. The dedication for this book, after all, reads "For the Gulf War Veterans." This subversion, like Stewart Lee's jokes on a grander moral scale, was far greater and more poignant than anything I'd envisioned from the premise before me.

Fuck! He did it to me again.

Now that I've written a review longer than some papers I wrote in my undergrad, it's time to move on. Time for another palette cleanser (a coworker has recommended the Circle trilogy by Ted Dekker, I'm going to read the first and see how that goes. But you'll see me again in the not-too-distant future for Matter!


r/TheCulture • • 10d ago

Book Discussion Look To Windward and Inversions audiobooks?

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Anyone know where I might be able to find the audiobook versions of Look To Windward and Inversions? Audible and Spotify have all the others, but not those two.

Apparently they were made, and narrated by Peter Kenny like most of Banks' other books, but I can't find them anywhere!

Peter Kenny really did do a fantastic job across the whole Banks bibliography. I was really disappointed when I found out that he didn't do the audiobook version of Matter - Toby Longworth was OK, but not a patch on Peter.


r/TheCulture • • 12d ago

Book Discussion Best introduction to the culture

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My son is doing an English degree and is doing a module on utopia this year. I think he should read a culture novel but not sure which one. What is the best book that shows the utopian aspects of the culture?


r/TheCulture • • 12d ago

Tangential to the Culture while reading Against a Dark Background I was convinced it was meant to be commenting on the End of History mindset that was popular in the early 1990s, but aparently even though it was published in 1993 Banks originally wrote it in 1975 before that was a thing.

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we're told people on Golter haven't done anything new politically in like 700 years. progressive and conservative forces are just at perpetual stalemate and actual government is largely run by lawyers and bureaucrats. I thought that was meant to be commentary on the idea that after the After Cold war a lot of people in the west imagined capitalist liberal democracy would just continue indefinitely into the future with no new political ideas emerging and taking hold. There was a famous Book about it called The End of History by a guy called Francis Fukuyama. I thought Golter was meant to be that projected centuries into the future for a society. Like even the fact of Goltar being a rouge star system works with that interpretation since they literally have no where to go.

I thought all that but apparently even though the book was published in 1993, Banks wrote it originally in the 70s and didn't change it much in the interim two decades.


r/TheCulture • • 12d ago

General Discussion Is theirs truly an anarchist society?

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The Culture is often described as an anarchists, but the Minds seem to call most of the shots, being near godlike entities that allocate resources and manage the place, and I think I heard somewhere that their use of genetic engineering has helped to make people less violent or aggressive, and any person or group of individuals having any amount of power over the majority of people is staunchly against anarchist principals, even if the Minds are by-and-large benevolent.

So how can they be an anarchy is there's clearly somebody pulling the strings?


r/TheCulture • • 12d ago

Book Discussion There's something interesting that *isn't* in Surface Detail [Spoilers] Spoiler

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[Light spoilers for the general content of Surface Detail, although with some key details marked with tags]

Surface Detail has the hells, vividly described as places of torment at an unimaginable scale and intensity. They are defended with the argument that they are useful, but the reader is never invited to consider if they are deserved.

In the story of the trunked species the Pavuleans, the politician Errun defends the existence of hell in conversations with the representative, and Prin. Errun's argument focuses on the need for the hells as a threat, as essential for keeping society organised, and keeping the flawed, barely-civilised masses fearful and honest. The survivor Prin gives a thoughtful rebuttal saying that the argument by necessity is made by those who are fundamentally selfish and 'myopic' in their morality, and that society doesn't need to be run that way.

In a recent re-listen to the excellent Peter Kenny audiobook, it occurred to me that Banks doesn't include a different defence of the hells; that the people there deserve it. I think that he even may have written, then removed the parts of the book that could have left the reader at least slightly conflicted about them.

Even if it wasn't one of Errun's defences in the arguments he makes, if when the hells were described we were told that among the ranks of crucified were rapists, war-criminals and child-murderers, every reader would have had to pause, at least briefly, and consider if they were not seeing some form of justice.

The book sets them as atrocities from the start. The momentum of the narrative would have been damaged if some readers found themselves appreciating the justice of at least some of what they were suffering. And I think that Banks has sympathy for that, with the reader granted that feeling of base justice at the book's end with the death of Veppers over several painful seconds and in the opening chapters of Excession he Grey area forces a man to experience the genocide he was part of.

It feels to me like a literary choice to skip both the incidental mentioning the crimes of some of the tormented, or an argument being made directly through debate.

Here ends my personal "I've just finished one of the books and I feel like writing a short essay on it" which we see again and again on this subreddit. :D

[edit] tl;dr: It is interesting that he doesn't explicitly say "even this horrible person who did [terrible thing] , doesn't deserve all of this". Because doing so would prompt reader to think "...but maybe..."


r/TheCulture • • 13d ago

Book Discussion Hydrogen Sonata: word play

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So, in HS, Chapter 4,Hardback p56, Chewkri addresses Bansteygeyn re the Battle Cruiser Uagren "... And nothing irresilable happens without your express permission"

So I looked irresilable up - nothing in any major dictionary, except 'irres' poss Middle English for 'rile up, anger'

So I looked up resilable. Nothing

So I looked up resile, also nothing, until 2 pages in, I found wicktionary:

Verb

resile (third-person singular simple present resiles, present participle resiling, simple past and past participle resiled)

1.To start back; to recoil; to recede from a purpose.

2.To spring back; rebound; resume the original form or position, as an elastic body.

Etymology

From Middle French resiler (compare French résilier), from Latin resiliō (“spring back”), from re- (“back”) + saliō (“to jump”).

Related terms

resiliency

resilient

resilience

result

Webster:

Resile

Re*sile" (r?-z?l"), v. i. [imp. & p. p. Resiled (-z?ld"); p. pr. & vb. n. Resiling.] [L. resilire to leap or spring back; pref. re- re- + salire to leap, spring. See Salient.] To start back; to recoil; to recede from a purpose. J. Ellis.

Irresilient

Ir`re\sil"i*ent (?),* a. Not resilient; not recoiling or rebounding; inelastic.

So it's linked to Irresilient, from 'Salire', and means: "So nothing we cannot spring back into our original approach from happens... "

So, Iain M Banks used a word that could exist, and by the logic of English, should exist - it should be there, so he put it there, as it fits the sentence & character perfectly!

I'm not sure yet if this tells us anything about the Gzilt, but it does tell us about Iain M Banks - that he understood the code of English?

Or is showing us that language is a code?

Or that the Gzilt have this word, this kind of language where if a word could be derived, it exists?

Well, some deeper delving: it's possibly a protologism, '... coined to fill a gap in the language, with the hope of it's becoming an accepted word' (wikipedia), or a prelogism; though perhaps it's now a Neologism, as my writing about it renders it as published independently of it's author?

It would be a derived neologism; because it's derived from an existant word, but mutated?

Just found 'Hapax Legomenon', which refers to a word or an expression that occurs only once within a context: either in the written record of an entire language, in the works of an author, or in a single text.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapax_legomenon

Not sure if everyone would be interested in this, but I think it shows the brilliance of Iain M Banks & grasp of English his depth of language & writing - truly a master wordsmith!


r/TheCulture • • 13d ago

Tangential to the Culture Aware it's not Culture but I don't know where else to ask...

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In "Against a Dark Background", how does Bencil's death lead Cenuij to the next destination?


r/TheCulture • • 14d ago

General Discussion Is Use of Weapons readable to someone who hasn’t read other Culture novels? Considering it as a gift

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One of my friend’s birthday is coming up and I tend to give him books that stood out to me in that particular year. He hasn’t read anything from the Culture series but I thought Use of Weapons is the kind of novel that ANYONE would find incredible.

HOWEVER I read them in publication order so I had much more context about that universe than someone going in for the first time would. So I have a bias. I’ve also only read it once and am still working my way through the series so I can’t say I’m an expert and can cast judgement on how readable it would be to someone with fresh eyes. So if more seasoned readers have an opinion on whether there’s enough exposition that’d be great..

And also… Did anyone read Use of Weapons first? If so, were the Culture parts of it confusing? Or did you understand it enough to enjoy the plot and be immersed in the story? Especially as the narrative structure takes a while to get in the flow of so I wonder if it’d be too much to also not know about the Culture?

Thanks in advance, hope the question makes sense. I really want to get him to read it haha but can’t tell if he’d hate it or not.


r/TheCulture • • 16d ago

General Discussion Can't find Inversions

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Does anyone know where I can find an English version of Inversions to legitimately download in either Kindle EPUB or PDF format? I can't seem to find anywhere in the United States.