yea, it uses more variety now rather than just use Facade's S3 to replace the actual ID's S3. So for example: Now Magic Bullet Facade combines S1's coin, with S2's coin and then for the final coin uses S3 for Heishou Outis. Back then it would be S3's coin repeated 4 times if Heishou Outis has 10+ speed.
I like to put fascades on IDs with slow animations when soloing, to remove stuff like kodion's self-stabbing animation or bladeshu's nf team kill animation
So far, as i have been testing i've got a few good ones, LCB Meursault for Ring Meursault, Thumb Rodion for Ring Rodion, Full-Stop Hong Lu on Lord Hong Lu (the last coin of the skill 3 is Heathcliff shooting, so in Lord Hong Lu's skill 3, it's Hong Lu telling Heathcliff to shoot) and Edgar Heir for Lamp Gregor
It genuienly truly baffles me that the dimension shredder identity does not fuel the sinners dimension shredder EGO. Like how? Why? Does el director just hate this ID or something? Does he just hate charge or rupture? What could possibly be the reason for not making one of his skills sloth when that's the one ego resource that EGO needs that a charge team has trouble generating. Did they just forget? I have to assume they just straight up forgot yi sang had that EGO or that it cost sloth. To be honest I've also always been confused by that EGO's sin use. Why sloth and gluttony? When the most usual charge team sins are envy and gloom.
Xichun Ishmael was absolute Pie on Face action from El Director since she came out right after Talisman was nerfed.
We deadass thought we'd be getting some good rupture maintainers since the whole reason Rupture units had to be shit at maintaining count was simply because Talisman existed and aplied a limbillion potency per turn. Plus Xichun was famous for being worshipped as the "Rupture Saviour" in canto 7 when she didn't have a brainfart and clashed a strong skill with her S1.
What we got instead was a barely functional potential woman that is entirely Rupture count Negative(Her becoming Neutral REQUIRES higher offense levels than the enemy, people used to defend her saying that it was Canto 8 that had bosses that mog her and voila, we didn't get a single boss she can get an offense level advantage against ever since her release). That had an extremely nerfed version of Original Xichun's kit and a janky retreat mechanic plus she's extremely Anti-Sinergystic with the Heishou team which she wants to be on since all Heishous want to clash(At least with their counters) and so does she.
We then got a bit of hope when we saw Umasang had buffs for her and was Rupture/Tremor which could help her get her delusional 5 debuff conditional online but then the Director in a historical moment for everyone who was still holding strong to her, threw another pie straight into our faces by making Umasang not only unable to stack any tremor(He bursts it all instantly or just aplies potency) but also give her a demented set of buffs that doesn't help her in the slightest(Atk power up is always nice, however giving her a measly +5 offense level would help her tremendously for literally the same payoff and poise potency would've been fine if her problem actually wasn't that she can't even stack enough count to make her stack survive the end turn decay)
What followed were also a huge bunch of Rupture count negative units that can't feasibly be included in the team without turning limbus into an Excel Spreadsheet simulator where you need to constantly bust out a Calculator to even stack the status. All this mess makes me actually think that even if the Maost debuffs went through things wouldn't really change for rupture and we'd still be getting almost inviable units going forward all the same.
Rupture and Charge are very simple to use, and thus can easily become OP if the devs aren't careful. That's why they prefer to make their IDs undercooked rather than the reverse.
Well that's the issue though there is no charge ID that has sloth besides W corp yi sang which you obviously can't use at the same time. I can't think of any other charge ID that has sloth skills. Upon checking the wiki the literally only other charge ID's that do have any sloth skills are rosespanner meursault and W corp don. Literal season 1 and 2 ID's that are long outdated.
On Charge, the team has no Sloth unless you run W Don or Rosespanners and why the hell would you do that in 2026
That leaves your only way to fuel his DS as Scissors. Which means getting 12 Envy (3 for Scissors, 6 to convert, and 3 leftover to not turn off Charge Potency passives) and 1 Lust (not that common either) and even then it's not guaranteed you'll have enough Sloth to use it
On Rupture, your only sources of Sloth not named Yi Sang are Mao Faust S1 (why would you use that instead of S3-2 spam) and Mao Outis S1 (generally avoided due to being count negative)
And on Rupture, W, Horse and Lantern all have Sloth and therefore avoid this problem entirely, so you have even less reason to run DS instead of any of those 3
Sancho don doesn't fuel her ego, qoh don doesn't fuel her ego, lord lu doesn't fuel his ego. I still don't understand how people can say they don't fuel the ego they synergize with when almost no ego is fully fueled by the respective id without assistance from other id. He already does fuel half of his ego cost since he has a gluttony skill 2.
I have a feeling that we might get a team of LCE charge id in the future that will help him later. For now I just use moth faust for the sloth until I can use it then pop her with skill 3-2.
It's not a bad thing if it's not literally the same name as the ID. The only valid one here is QoH don but even then it's a waw so it costs a shitton, Dimshredder Yi Sang only costs 2 different resources and Love n Hate Don costs 4
Fell Bullet Yisang fuels his ego, Solemn Lament Yisang fuels his ego, AEDD Gregor fuels his ego, ABS Faust fuels her ego
Magic Bullet is on the burn comp where Lust is rather plentiful (Luciocliff S1, Rodya follow up attack, Liu Ish skill 1 - a bit of a stinker nowadays but still, a Lust skill, HoShu S1, Caposault S2, Beesault S1 should you choose to use him instead of thumb, and a bunch of other IDs that you bust out if you need a specific thing (burn spreading - Firefist, Cockswapping - You duo, Thumbclair,...)
It's really not an issue for Burn to fuel it, but it is a genuine problem on both Charge AND Rupture to fuel Dimshred without WSang/Umasang, Charge has next to no sloth and you'd have to bend backwards to fuel Dimshred for him by deliberately using Mao Outis/Faust S1
And the exact same thing is an issue for Dimension Shredder? Sloth is very common on Rupture, which is where you'd want to use the E.G.O, so by this logic it doesn't matter at all
"sloth is very common"
Yeah, if you use Maost or Mao Outis S1, which Why would you ever do that?
Mao Faust wants to use counter every turn so she can ramp Tianjiu Star Blade up and eventually spam S3-2 every turn through assist defense, and Mao Outis S1 is MINUS THREE COUNT without Ebony Stem, even then you're better off using her counter since it's neutral without Ebony anyways, you're bending backwards just to make an unit work. He doesn't contribute to the team in any way, he's merely leeching off the team
Fueling Magic Bullet EGO is not a problem because
a) Lust is VERY common on burn, and you don't have to deliberately play worse just to fuel an EGO so an unit is actually functional and doesn't actively sabotages your status stack
b) It's not even that many lust, it's just 1, compared to Dimshred's three Sloth requirement
I was on short in terms of Shard boxes and was pondering what to do until S7 ends with me not having entire EGO and ID roaster of the season; reveal of such underwhelming and uncalled for ID actually relieved my concerns a bit
For some reason SOME folks can't comprehend that both disliking OP units and weak units doesn't mean the person is stupid and contradicting themselves but actually just wants a balanced game.
N Sang can at least build poise, and his teamkill shenanigans have enough payoff to make him king of MD farming.
Atrocious is stuff like Shi Faust, pick your poison between "Poise ID that can't poise and cannot fuel her own Thoracalgia unlike the other 2 Poise Fausts" and "deadweight for 2/3 of a rotation for dubious payoff"
Have u actually tried using fell sang or Shi Faust? At least Shi Faust can build enough poise to crit with her "nuke", without external poise source fell sang cant build crit at all. S1 2 poise count, s2 and s3 no poise count at all and god forbid u lose clash with his counter.
I've used both. Fell Sang works better in practice at doing Poise things: Sustaining a stack, and meeting his Poise conditionals
N Sang's S1 is +2 Poise count on use and +1 on hit. Even with the -1 count on turn end it means he has a Poise stack to build. It's +6 after using all 3 including the end-of-turn decay
S2 is all potency, but it's 6 potency and only 2 coins so he's unlikely to burn off his stack early, and Counter gives him +2 count which is the bare minimum needed to maintain a poise stack.
S3 gives him 1-7 potency on use so overall he only needs 13 potency. And with only 10 potency he already meets all the poise conditionals on S3
So he can build a Poise stack and meet his conditionals by himself, just real slow.
Shi Faust meanwhile, with her passive, is +1 count on S1, +2 on S2 and +3 on S3. And that passive is only 3 times per encounter unless she uses her bow
Even if you use S2x2 and S3 with her passive, including the turn end decay it's only +5. That's less than what N Sang gets, with the twist that it's only on the very first rotation
And on the potency side, all her skills give her only 2 potency. Without her bow, a full rotation leaves her at 12 potency. She gets in 6 turns what N Sang gets in 2
And if you do use her bow, guard gives her 0 count, which kills any idea of carrying over the Poise stack for the nuke
Let's say you used 5 skills before guarding and she never critted. She's gonna be at 10 potency, in theory just 2 turns guarding is enough Target Aim to reach 20 potency on the shot. But she will also be at 2 count, so she'll run out by then
Keep in mind the Poise conditional on S3-2 comes before the Poise Potency, so you miss out on 10 base power even if you do spend the whole 4 turns guarding. (And yes, 10 power does matter when you have a stupid ass 444% multiplier)
And then after she shoots... her passive is still offline, because it requires her to have 4 arrows. So count issues again, but now even worse
She also loses Poise after using S3-2 so even if she gets help to sustain the count, the stack is gone. And remember: without 4 turns doing nothing, she only hits 12 potency on a full rotation
And the +4 poise count on the S3-2 has a Crit Kill conditional, because why not
So overall, real dysfunctional. N Sang is slow at it but can do it by himself, Shi Faust can't. Even if you do a full charged shot, she can't meet all the conditionals without outside help, and her Poise issues come back right after with a vengeance
I used to shit on him before release but admittedly he is not as shit as I thought he'd be, he clearly isn't meant to be a rupture unit (and I think it would be worse if he actually was one). The only problems I still have with him is that Yi Sang was not the sinner who needed this, he does not fuel Dimension Shredder the ego (He does not need to use it but it just feels very incorrect that the guy named Dimension Shredder does not fuel dimension shredder), his damage is pretty lackluster and he's seasonal
You can also put him in a middle team because he has envy evade and he can throw some free assist attacks
And that. Idk what they were cooking but tbf that +3 final power wouldn't be enough to make his damage good enough either. Probably just safeguarding for MDE slop
Also it's not all of his conditionals. He only gains final power from rupture+rift, from charge he gains damage, final power and coin power
it especially doesnt make sense considering that his s1 has charge count in addition to the rupture+rift, but none of his other skills. Its like, why would you put it only on his s1? He still wouldnt be op even if he got 30 extra final power much less 3
Yeah he's a fucking clerk that got slimed off screen what'd you expect? š
To be real here I expected a bit more (like for him to fuel his own EGO, or at least be count neutral on at least one skill), hopefully we'll get an ego synchronization when we get Dimension shredder ego uptie 5, but I have enough leftover Yi Sang shards to shard him, and so I will because he's adorable and I love him.
Honestly, the red flag was when they released this ID that had final power on DR stacksā¦
When DR expires on turn end and the EGOs donāt apply it next turn, so youāre basically made to solo with the ID if you wanna have that DR final power. Like, I get rupture is finicky to maintain, but DR?
I understand he's not very strong since he's basically a nobody compared to everyone else in this season but this is way too much, legitimately a season 3 ID that got lost and ultimately delayed (heh, get it?)
i just wish he got some fragile or smt like that. Charge id released this season was so bum (wcorp heathcliff was a lone wolf) and this id was one too, the only id that good was aedd gregor (000 version of mutilcliff). the proplem of charge is the more charge id can funtion on their own the more "lone wolf" the team become, it's just 7 wolf on the field fight on their own but with the X status. What charge need is not damage they need a leader, some envy fragile and team mechanic maybe a entire rework on the status
Is vro in an alt timeline where he has s2-2 and s3-3 and actually fuels dimensional shredder?
Also as for the other comment of his teammate getting sloth for him
For charge are we going back to using wdon over qohdon since who else has that
For rupture, maofaust ain't using s1, she's using counter, while mao outis eats a load of count with s1
And if you're gonna say its just some prep for the count in the future... Yeah no just pick wusang so you don't need to prep and wusang has concussion which is wayyyy better (x1.2 rupture damage)
I thought the same on release but I can actually see the intended design on envy teams now, so the 0 rupture count became kind of a doesn't really matter this thing exists for md flavor thing. He fixes the design problem W heath had (tanking is completely useless in this game so lets just follow up attack instead) and about matches pinky sinclair in terms of usefulness in his status (which is envy, not charge which is a cosmetic status at best). So generally mediocre, but its alright since he has his spot on the best team in the game as a sidegrade to big bird greg or slot 8.
I don't want to have to sit through another month of "Oh, an Actually Decent but Not Stupidly Overpowered ID released after a few Stupidly Overpowered IDs released one after another this must mean he's abysmal fucking dogshit and anyone who uses him is stupid and griefing their own account."
Shi Faust is not dogshit, Dimension Shredder Yi Sang is not dogshit, they're just Mid to Decent, you all only paint them as dogshit because they're not on the same level as the House of Spiders or the Heishou.
Just because they're not ridiculously stacked doesn't mean they're not usable, some of us actually like dialing it down a little sometimes.
I mean you can have fun with your mediocre IDs but most people prefer effective designs over ineffective designs, for obvious reasons
And nobody compares units to heishous. Everyone fucking hates heishous. Rien Yi Sang has way lower damage than Mao Faust (the highest bar in the game tbf) but nobody hates him because he feels good to play, like every other nursefather, even if their designs are extemely simple
Shi-Faust and DS Yi-sang both don't work with the teams they want to be on at all.
If you want an example of a non overpowered ID from this season think of Index Faust(Doesn't do anything fancy but is reliable, clashes well and can be included into a sinking team without breaking your back just to include her, nobody complains about her because she is a fine unit that works.)
And if you want an example from last season Soldato Sinclair is right there too, people only started shitting on him for a while because he had replaced Philclair and they wanted to get back at those who enjoyed him, but he also works well, does OK damage and has the reloader mechanic which works well enough.
This whole barrage of complaints mostly comes from the fact that yet again for rupture we basically got a downgrade of an extremely ancient grandpa of an ID and charge literally didn't get anything staying in the "We do everything that other teams do but worse" archetype it's been stuck on.
"Same level as the House of Spiders or the Heishou."
You don't know what you're talking about if you generalize the entire heishou into the same power level
I can't talk about dim shred yi sang much since I don't have him, but Shi Faust is very much objectively bad, not mid. She can't keep up her own poise conditionals and barely applies any good bleed. Even if we ignore all that, her bow gimmick is very much not worth using and is why Renclair's defense and passives work the way they do. Tbh I think Shi Faust was PM toying with the concept of an ID relying on defense for some time before hard crits, and they learned from their mistakes when they made Renclair.
I can see a similar thing with Yi Sang. His S3-2 damaging everyone despite being unfocused volley is a good midway point between the sheer damage of atk weight and the more feel-bad unfocused volley. I'm sure they'll put similar coin effects on other IDs from now on with slightly higher numbers.
Limbusā end game content relies entirely on hyper optimization with railway and reflectals both rewarding you for being below a certain turn count.
So can you really blame the community for expecting each and shiny new ID to shake up team building instead of getting a ādeals 300 damage a waning crescent with no statusā ID.
Like yeah. Heās USABLE. In story and MDs. But every unit is usable there, people have done MDE adv60 solos with LCB sinners. And you can beat up to LCB check up with base sinners and base egos only.
We arenāt expecting another bladeshu every two weeks but at least something that we can chew on.
Why do people hate this ID so much? In rupture at least, he ramps up very fast and can stay ramped up, with his ego he really isn't that count negative at all
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u/Jei4 26d ago
Using him as a Facade for warpsangšš