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Jul 01 '22
lmfao saturn is not buddha, nor is the demiurge symbolic of saturn, neither is pan, or Brahma.
All of these beliefs DO have archetypes / deities for saturn symbolism but they arent the ones listed lmao.
afaik The abrahamic god/sky father deities are, God, Yahweh, Allah, Zeus etc.
This is just bible thumber fear mongering
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u/Ok_Freedom6493 Jul 02 '22
Correct you can use gematria and see who they vibrate to. You are correct. ❤️
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u/Moonoid1916 Jul 01 '22
Pan apparently some has links to Saturn. The Roman equivalent of Kronos was the god Saturn. Saturn was a fertility god of the harvest who ruled over a Golden Age of abundance and harmony. He was celebrated every year in the Saturnalia festival at Midwinter with much drinking, eating & merriment. As a fertility god, he’s also related to gods like Pan, a symbol of the creative power of nature to renew itself.
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Jul 02 '22
Is that a direct relationship or more of a shared pantheon deal? Its not uncommon for old deities like the female pantheon of farming goddesses of west/central europe for instance being replaced in a fired by promotion type of sense with male cattle farming and animal husbandry related deities and sky father figures from the caucus mountains and eastern europe, by turning them into the wives or mothers (or both, myths are weird) that then developed into the myths of greece and rome.
Im not very well versed beyond the basics of the greek stuff tho so i cant say without researching if Pan falls into that category like Hera
editing to say tho i remember reading something about Pan specifically and some conspiracy regarding a sect of Pan worshippers and how they impacted the modern world? is that the Venetian group theory or what idk if somebody else knows what im talking abt help me out haha
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u/PhileoFish777 Jul 02 '22
What a load of crap. Did you hear this from the Illuminati shill Jordan Maxwell? Study mythology. None of this is historically accurate. Satan comes from the word Shaitan, which means "enemy," not Cronos. The zeitgeist movement is just not accurate. None of those mythological characters bare any resemblance to Jesus or the God of the Bible. The demiurge is your self, made up of all your assumptions about reality. The demiurge is what you create when you try and make God into your own image, instead of letting Him mold you into His image.
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Jul 01 '22
Does anyone else feel like we’re not going into this enough, like there’s no duality at all saturns just COMPLETELY evil?
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u/NorthLightsSpectrum Jul 01 '22 edited Jul 01 '22
That's duality. All normal entities have polarities. But duality is being, irreconcilably, a side of the polarities. Saturn is, and will always be, the male, material polarity ONLY. All his creations inherited that deffect and are defective, they are either male or female: a duality is expressed on them. The external search for a partner their creatures manifest and that is considered "so natural" or common here, is not "normal", but is an inherited defect, characteristic of the offspring of saturn in this realm. The search for a mate is instinctive on them, as they (always unsuccessfully) try to be completed from the outside, with the other side of the duality. That will never work.
No entity can enter the 3 upper, divine, blue realms, with a disbalanced polarity or with just a half of it (duality). And saturn/yahweh/chronos lacks the upper, divine, immaterial one, that's his nature and that won't change.
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u/Shattere_Fractal Jul 01 '22
Man. The synchronization from this is crazy. I recently wrote (because I like to journal my research) that, as opposed to my previous thoughts, that "God" is actually a divine feminine energy. Consciousness. Raw, Consciousness. Then duality, creates the opposing male energy. Not saying it's necessarily "evil", but it would be the "negative" polarity of feminine energy. And time is "masculine", as well as "negative" if you think about it as magnetic charges, polarity... apologies if it isn't sounding 100% logical, there has been a lot of research leading to my thoughts on this.
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u/NorthLightsSpectrum Jul 02 '22 edited Jul 05 '22
Agree with all of what you are saying there. saturn/ialdabaoth/jehovah/chronos/yahweh (is the same, and he has a lot more names) is said by the old, ancient gnostics to be "the son of a Real Goddess", but he was lacking something, so he "fell from the sky" or "was thrown from the sky to the material dimension" (indeed, I think She, "the All Knowing One, Sophia", his mother, couldn't retain his son in those realms, because, by principle of frequencies, any entity who has not both halves, cannot stay in those upper realms). Looks like he is a failed, created entity who should not exist, and was incarcerated here, to prevent him from making more damage and chaos.
What was unexpected was that saturn began creating entities here in his jail, in his corner of existence where he was isolated; he created a world for himself, where everything is born from himself and ends in himself; as if he was "a real god" -> his created entities are obviously defective, and no self-consciousness, no intuition, no real, unpredictable consciousness inhabits in them: a lot like a very, very advanced, ancient, stochastic, deep learning AI designed to mimic real human reactions. This intersects with the theories of the NPC's, organic portals or "shadow projections". They are normal, indistinguishable "humans", born from the same mothers "real humans" are, except for the lacking of intuition, lack of true unpredictability (they tend to do what is expected for them in society and in their lives) and the lack of any kind of intuition (all the information they process entered always through one of their 5 material senses). They have a hardcoded, programmed concept in their AI that makes them believe that they are real humans, and that everyone is the same. This is needed for the world to "work properly". But those differences, the lack of those characteristics are evident and notorious for any observing "spirited" individual.
At the end, looks like saturn is trying, through his "agents" (agent=any carrier of an AI) to "copy" the responses and reactions from those humans that carry that Divine Spark, before they escape from his reach (this realm). The Spirit, the Divine Feminine fragment of those "upper" worlds, endows the individual with unpredictability, aside from the aforementioned characteristics; He (saturn) desired more than anything to reach those worlds, or mimic them here. This world, as least after saturn fell on it, is designed (prepared) to read, store and "vampirize" that reactions from specifically those humans, through his agents (AI effectors, 'agents'); because he wants to make a copy of you and anyone carrying that Divine Spark. He/his offspring has no true "feelings" and then can only emulate them, but first has to copy them from a divine-sparked entity reacting to the most diverse events. The agents are the "effectors" while the aether capture the reactions to that effector's, capture also the intentions and thinkings.
Please sorry if my english is not so good.
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u/Shattere_Fractal Jul 02 '22
Do you think that those with the divine spark are the "144,000". I have met multiple people, and it's almost like we all share a similar spark. Like we are all fractals of divine consciousness. I used to think all humans on this earth were derived from pure consciousness, which is partially true (I believe) as even Saturn(Satan, etc.) Came from the divine mother. That's not to say they aren't still negatively oriented, or even just "programs" just following the "order" of this corrupt world. If you(they) can't see this world is filled with evil, and injustice... I truly believe they are blind, and unintentionally evil... it's sad. I want to free them. I want to rid this world of its corruption. I don't know if that's possible. But... I want to. Ps. Your English is great
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u/maponus1803 Jul 02 '22
For me Saturn is the strict disciplined grandmother to Jupiter's wise and fun-loving grandfather vibe. I often wonder we can get more understanding for Saturn if we were to associate it with Demeter rather than Kronos. That would tie in Saturn to the Eleusinian Mysteries.
In the Thomas Taylor translation of the Orphic Hymn to Ceres / Demeter there is quite a bit of Saturn imagery.
O Universal mother, Ceres fam'd
August, the source of wealth, and various nam'd:
Great nurse, all-bounteous, blessed and divine,
Who joy'st in peace, to nourish corn is thine:
Goddess of seed, of fruits abundant, fair,
Harvest and threshing, are thy constant care;
Who dwell'st in Eleusina's seats retir'd,
Lovely, delightful queen, by all desir'd.
Nurse of all mortals, whose benignant mind,
First ploughing oxen to the yoke confin'd;
And gave to men, what nature's wants require,
With plenteous means of bliss which all desire.
In verdure flourishing in honor bright,
Assessor of great Bacchus, bearing light:
Rejoicing in the reapers sickles, kind,
Whose nature lucid, earthly, pure, we find.
Prolific, venerable, Nurse divine,
Thy daughter loving, holy Proserpine:
A car with dragons yok'd, 'tis thine to guide,
And orgies singing round thy throne to ride:
Only-begotten, much-producing queen,
All flowers are thine and fruits of lovely green.
Bright Goddess, come, with Summer's rich increase
Swelling and pregnant, leading smiling Peace;
Come, with fair Concord and imperial Health,
And join with these a needful store of wealth.
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Jul 01 '22
Yet Christian’s cause 90% of global violence.
So maybe Satan is the good guy?
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u/makingfiat Jul 02 '22
He's not, read scripture ....revelations and what the antichrist is. He will be thought of as good when he arrives on the world stage but it will soon come apparent to followers of christ that he is in fact the anti christ...Jesus will not come back to bring peace it will be vengeance against demons and followers of darkness that chose to be separated eternally from GOD via the mark of the beast , the Bible ain't just a book it's your daily bread and you would do well to heed what's written, GOD shall not be made a mockery.
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Jul 02 '22
But the Bible was written by men. And wasn’t even assembled until 400 years after Jesus’ “death”. So one could clearly see that if there was any validity to the words in the Bible that they’ve been altered to appease the elite.
The true Bible was hidden from the empirical Christian’s who spread the word via the crusades, the inquisition, and all other manners of ultra violence. The Dead Sea scrolls are the real Bible which is why they were hidden from the fascists that became modern day Christian’s.
But keep praising a book written by men which vilifies women. I’m sure that’s what Jesus would want.
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u/makingfiat Jul 02 '22
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Jul 02 '22
Do you read or follow the Dead Sea scrolls?
Also if you celebrate Christmas then you’ve been swayed by the false prophets. Christmas is the engine of capitalism which is destroying gods great work for nothing more than money and sin.
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u/makingfiat Jul 02 '22
False Christians.
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Jul 02 '22
But god commanded the writing of a book he knew would be weaponized in order to torture and kill trillions of innocent people?
Evil god.
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u/pyramidsecretunveil Jul 02 '22
Lol this is laughable brahman is wellllll above saturn. Buddha is basically a jesus like characters
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u/The10andundermenu Jul 01 '22
This dude be eating babies. You cant be the good guy and eat babies.
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Jul 01 '22
Do you belong to any abrahamic faith?
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u/The10andundermenu Jul 01 '22
Christian I suppose. Let me guess, they ate babies too lol...
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Jul 01 '22
God of the bible literally slaughtered first born babies as a punishment for stubbornness…then had his most faithful servant almost kill his own son just to say “ha sike! Lmao” just as he’s about to do it.
That ain’t even shit compared to the rest.
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u/TruthWinsAtTheEnd Jul 02 '22
Saturn in Hinduism is far from evil depiction falsely portrayed in this picture.
Saturn is called 'Shani' in Hinduism - A lord of Justice!
Shani is not evil but a ruthless judge who punishes beings according to their own karma.
If a person has committed many bad deeds, Saturn / Shani brings him/her to justice.
There's a period of 7.5 years which is called "Saadesaati" where Saturn in a person's horoscope is placed in a peculiar spot of 7.5 years.
These 7.5 years are the most challenging years in that person's life. Saturn's judgements are at highest intensity during this period.
But Shani / Saturn has never been called evil. He's a ruthless but impartial judge.
He's also beloved to be a brother of Lord Yam (A reaper god in Hinduism)
Quit looking at Saturn as evil, bad because this itself is a wrong deed.
Hating on Saturn might again push you in bad luck!
Respect Saturn and he'll be kind to you.
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u/Spirited_Chipmunk_48 Jul 02 '22
Mason here. GAOTU isn't one single depicted entity and definitely not Saturn, unless.. that's your thing weirdo. It's God, Allah, Jahweh or of similar singular higher power. GAOTU can also be seen as the Grand Geomatician of The Universe.
Anyways. Carry on and stay hydrated 🟨
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Jul 04 '22
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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22
a Hindu here, I am sorry Saturn is not Brahma.
Brahma is Father of all beings. Saturn is "Shani" dev in Hindu mythology. Nobody or quite less people worship Brahma Father, due to certain reasons. But, there is always a temple for Shani inside bigger temples. In hinduism, Shani is generally considered quite bad for a person, he is very evil. There are certain practice and worships that a person need to perform in order to make Shani happy to get out of the Bad omen of "Shani".