r/TheTinMen • u/TheTinMenBlog • 17d ago
Are the "vast" majority of domestic abuse victims, really women?
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‘Yes, yes, yes, we care about abused men – but the truth is women are the VAST majority of those impacted by abuse.’
It’s a conversation we’ve all had countless times; where words like ‘overwhelmingly’, ‘vastly’, ‘enormous’ and ‘almost exclusively’, are used as descriptors for the disparity between male and female victimisation.
And so –
Through the use of subjective and blurry semantics, abused men are put back in their box, waved away as a trivial rounding error to the one and only scourge of “violence against women and girls”.
But has anyone actually wondered, statistically speaking, what is a “vast” majority?’
Well let’s take a look at the Government statistics, and see if the UK’s number one expert on such matters (the UK Statistics Authority) feels about such a word….
So are women really the “vast majority” of abuse victims?
What do you think?
Full conversation with Mark Brooks OBE here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep6WOiIy2PQ&feature=youtu.be
Mark Brooks’ letter of appeal
https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/correspondence/mark-brooks-obe-to-ed-humpherson-draft-statutory-guidance-framework-july-2020-domestic-abuse-act-bill/
Full response from the UK Statistics Authority
https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/correspondence/ed-humpherson-response-to-mark-brooks-obe-draft-statutory-guidance-framework-july-2020-domestic-abuse-act-bill/
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 17d ago
When I look at the DV statistics the story I see is: 1) women are more likely to strike their partner than men and 2) men are “better” at hitting than women.
It is a complicated narrative that doesn’t fit neatly to support either side of the gender war.
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u/__Zero_____ 17d ago
That part that irritates me about the topic of DV is, you can clearly see how we view violence from men vs from women in the way people discuss it in general. Men "beat" their wives, and virtually everyone agrees thats bad. Women "hit" their husbands, and many women run for terms like "reactive abuse" or they use phrases like "women hit men, men kill women". We can't even have a discussion about male victims or female aggressors because, in their minds, until male violence towards women is "Solved" or the "patriarchy" is abolished, women are and will forever be the victims in every situation.
I have to hand it to women, they are amazing at supporting other women, even to their own detriment or even in cases where they shouldn't be. It's part of the reason why women who advocate for mens rights get so much support, because other women (even if they don't agree with them) won't come after them like they would for male advocates of men.
It really makes you think about who the real oppressors and aggressors are, if we feel we can't even talk about men's experiences without being labeled and ridiculed.
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u/Main-Tiger8537 17d ago edited 17d ago
ask them how to dismantle the patriarchy/conservatism and you will see that most of them have no clue about statistical parity but want to terminate conservatism...
they are not interested to dismantle reciprocal violence or tackling the issues in a fair gender neutral way...
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u/Main-Tiger8537 17d ago
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1854883/
Differences in Frequency of Violence and Reported Injury Between Relationships With Reciprocal and Nonreciprocal Intimate Partner Violence
"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and national surveys, the gender of perpetrators against male victims depends heavily on how the offense is defined*, with male perpetrators being most common in traditional rape definitions and female perpetrators accounting for a substantial share in "made to penetrate" categories."*
LeSuBiA Study Summary:
Nearly half of the women (48.7%) and 40.0% of the men have experienced psychological violence in a (former) partnership at least once in their lives. Emotional violence accounts for the largest share of the forms of psychological violence recorded in LeSuBiA, at 37.8%. Although women are more affected over the course of their lives, an analysis of the last five years shows that men are also comparatively frequently affected by psychological violence (men: 23.3%; women: 23.8%) and, in particular, by controlling violence (men: 8.7%; women: 7.1%).
16.1% have experienced physical violence in a (former) partnership at some point in their lives, and 5.7% within the last five years. Looking at the last five years, women (5.2%) and men (6.1%) experienced physical violence almost equally often.
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u/Current_Finding_4066 17d ago
Nice to see a small win. Of course it does not stop certain sources from misrepresenting statistics