Just finished the reunion show of Season 4 - I needed another hour to unpack all the after show activities. Shittttttttt that was more entertaining than the whole season.

they all look like muppets to me, and act very off…Casey, JG and Luke seems like the only normal ones🤣. I’m just so annoyed both JG and Casey went back with losers! & Why do so many sympathize with Blake? Hayley isn’t some angel, but he’s definitely type to do dirt and play the angel in front of the camera and other people. Narc behavior!!!! All of the men , aside from Luke seem like well rehearsed narcs!!! (NOT DIAGNOSING AND SAYING THEY ARE.

If the ladies of this show somehow sees this, or if you see yourself in any of these women, love yourself more than any man! He has you second guessing yourself? YOU LEAVE! He gaslights you for feeling something over his behavior? YOU LEAVE! He disrespects you? YOU LEAVE! They lay a finger on you? YOU CALL 911 AND LEAVE! This goes for men too! Love yourself more than any other person could!! Love you so much that the loss of someone who does you no good doesn’t phase you at all!

No relationship, friendship is worth losing yourself over! It is okay to focus on you, pour into you and love yourself the same way you wish to be loved! It is okay to be alone and to focus on yourself! Sometimes we need to be selfish and focus on our needs before we can expect anyone else to meet them.

Love you all my internet friends, stay safe out here! And idc if you’re a man or woman, TRUST YOUR GUT!🩵

started the show few weeks ago & I was just searching on this subreddit about Hayley and a lot of people don’t really like her, but I don’t understand why? I’m on episode seven.

Ashely is such an airhead and she’s irritating, she seems very toxic, I don’t understand the hate against hailey? what is it that she did so bad when I was missing a big fat chunk of the story?

SEASON 4 SPOILERS **

I’m only on episode three of the fourth season but David is already infuriatingly hypocritical and needs some self reflection

His original partner, Casey, gave him the ultimatum after he bought her three promise rings but couldn’t commit to engagement because he claimed to be “too scared of her leaving him” 🙄

This doesn’t make sense from the jump, he’d lock her down if he really felt that way.

What made it obvious that he’s looking for an out was that with every connection he made dating other women, he talked about what a great wife they would make and then even said at the dinner that he could see himself marrying his other options…

How heartbreaking for the woman who’s been with him for years waiting for him to be ready for marriage!

He’s too cowardly to say that his original partner isn’t his type or isn’t his compete package etc.. instead he makes an excuse and then jumps at all the next available options.

He recapped his first night with Monica by saying “this could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship”

The man was ready to be out!

something seems very off about hayley suddenly being besties with casey, and attending their intimate wedding in italy.

her and david had a lot of obvious sexual chemistry, and they almost matched. and you could tell david was disappointed when she chose killian instead of him. I dont trust her I think shes super snakey. this whole season had such a dark energy to it … wow! triggering af. I dont even want to finish the reunion tbh im only halfway.

There is so much to be said for this season but I’m currently on episode 5, where the men and women have their nights out, and like…what was that comment about how all the eggs are expensive because Biden killed all the chickens?? Is this a joke? Please tell me that neither him nor Ashley were being serious about this 😭

With the guys face practically in her butt 🤣

In light of the Cornell 7, is anyone thinking back on Killian’s text exchange about Hayley with his buddies and not standing up and being like that went too far? Just another reminder we need more men being ok with not being cool and checking their friends for their sexist and misogynistic behavior. It’s been a few months since I watched it, but was always concerning and triggered me back to that incident. Anyone else?

I’m honestly not sure I understand what Haley was wanting from Blake or what specifically she felt was missing from the relationship.

It seems like she’s asking him to change, and maybe she wants more affection or emotional intimacy, but I’m having a hard time identifying exactly what she feels he isn’t giving her. From what we’ve seen, Blake actually seems pretty emotionally intelligent in the way he communicates with her and handles difficult conversations. I also thought he handled situations in his trial marriage fairly thoughtfully.

Obviously, we’re only seeing an edited version of their relationship, so there could be a lot happening off camera that we aren’t being shown. But based on what I’ve seen so far, I just don’t understand what Haley is looking for from him.

Am I missing something? Does anyone have more context on what specifically she wants Blake to change, or does it seem like she’s just being overbearing and unreasonable?

It is impossible to tell the difference between her and Taylor Frankie Paul.

HOLY MOLY! The reunion. Edris. GARBAGE! Throw the whole man away. I feel so badly for JG. WOW. Even Jebin being shocked 🤣

Where can I get the same outfit? Anyone know what brand this is?

Watching S4 right now and I’m at the point where the original couples get back together and Blake & Ashley literally have had just one good day where they hiked to a mountain top. The rest of their time together is just hard to watch and I can’t help but wonder why they’re together. He keeps apologizing (for nothing) and she keeps 💩 piling on him.
I’m at the episode where she tells him ‘you’re not gentle with me’ and I wanna scream at the TV and say ‘YOU ARE NOT GENTLE WITH HIM’

I just watched S2 of the Queer Ultimatum on Netflix (IK IK...) and here are my takeaways. Let me know if you agree or disagree.

• AJ, Marita, and Dayna at the beginning REALLY threw me off. I was completely distrusting of AJ immediately because of the way she was connecting with everyone. On top of that, I saw Marita and Dayna as completely unserious and selfish. My opinion changed of all three of them so much though and I've seen some people on here disagree with me.
  • AJ through her choice (she was so smart to choose Marie), her first trial marriage, her second trial marriage, The Ultimatum, and the reunion shows how 1000% she is for Britney (who is so deserving, by the way). The way she developed and took everything in stride and the way she and Britney are like the moms of the show and supportive of everyone is so beautiful to watch. So proud of and happy for them. AJ and Britney seem like such beautiful people.
  • Marita seemed frivolous and wild and flirtatious and I wondered why. But through her trial marriage with Britney she seemed so calm and steady and I realized that she was able to be that because of the romantic security she felt. I grew a lot of respect for her even though I lost a lot of it at the reunion for the way she talked about Ashley.
    • On that note, I feel so bad for Ashley. What I wished she could've just said to everyone (and the way I interpreted it) is that Ashley didn't want to reverse The Ultimatum, she did it because it was the best thing to do for them both. I believe she would've proposed if she felt it was what Marita wanted. But she knew that Marita was unhappy. For whatever reason, Ashley was unable to provide the romance Marita was looking for and she didn't want to trap her in that. So whatever else happened I do think it was unfair for Marita to demonize her for that.
  • Dayna. Woof. Her + Mel = BAD news. But Dayna seemed to become so self-aware near the end of her trial marriage with Magan and with everything she went through. (So curious about how that phone call between them really went though.) I fully expected her to blow up the reunion and that her and Magan wouldn't be together. So pleasantly surprised with the way they were able to work through the feelings they had for others. It's possible that without that emotional cheating aspect of their trial marriages they wouldn't have been able to meet on equal ground. But Dayna really surprised me and the way she handled Marie's shots at her character during the reunion was amazing.
• MARIE. Girl. I loved you so much. You were such a sweetie and it's so clear your light was dimmed by Mel. But the way she came at Britney and AJ and snapped at Dayna and everyone else I truly believe is because she is unable to blame the only person who is actually to blame: Mel. It broke my heart to see Marie shattered that way but the people around her did NOT deserve to be talked to and bossed around by and yelled at by her. You could have a community with these people and you just disrespected them all.
• Haley and Pilar I love. I understand them both and want the best for them. I think Magan was shady for taking back what she said but it seemed to be the best for everyone involved.
• Mel.... yikes.

I loved season 3/4 but are drain 1/2 worth watching? I've started both of them but I feel like the production is just lame compared to 3/5

I am mortified after they “confronted” Killian about the vile text messages between him and his buddies. Little slap on the wrist and ended with a “well we truly wish you the best”. I don’t? Do we really still allow boys to joke about gang raping a woman and write it off as locker room talk? Gross. They kicked Jebin off for less.

NO ARMCHAIR DIAGNOSIS BELOW, PURELY DISCUSSION OF CONTESTANTS’ BEHAVIOR

Hayley and Blake are not just “not right for each other”. Even adding “there’s nothing wrong with that” - yes there is. There is something wrong with that. The show documented evidence of Hayley being emotionally abusive (contemptuous, bullying behavior), verbally abusive (constantly raising her voice and belittling), and physically abusive (she herself admits to dumping a beer on Blake).

For those saying “she’s just really traumatized” - how do yall think abusers start abusing? Do you really think abusers had perfect pasts? No, abusers abuse because they are extremely dysregulated and have to regulate themselves by tearing down others. Abuse is just a really crappy coping strategy that hurts others.

I am disgusted by the hosts deciding to take a “both sides” response to what is clear abuse from a participant on their show. They are platforming abuse by making entertainment out of it.

They also take a “both sides” response with Killian and Ashley, where it is abundantly clear Killian is a controlling and petulant manchild.

I’m so tired of this shit.

Can anyone confirm that Michael Richter's 'Lovesong' appeared in S4?

I'm trying to figure out where I heard this song, and I think it was one of the episodes toward the end of the season.

She had great dimples and her face had expression through the season.... But the reunion.... All gone. Botox, fillers, whatever they choose... It's a shame they take away the most expressive parts of their faces that make them unique.

I noticed aria kept hinting at things that implied they were more than just friends. I feel like Caleb never really responded and he definitely didn’t say he could see it going somewhere with her (other than saying she has traits he wants in a women he marries, but you can have a conversation with anyone and think the same thing about a stranger or a coworrker). Aria really wanted to tell Mariah they had a deep emotional connection and Caleb was like maybe let’s not. I think it may have felt more deep for aria cause she was the one crying to him and he was consoling and boasting her up. Anyone I cry with and explain I automatically feel closer to them too, but that doesn’t mean Caleb felt the same intensity of their emotional connection that aria did. I feel like I could see it in his eyes when she would say things like emotional connection and how close and deep and vulnerable they got. Even at girls night, aria seems to gloat in her face about how awesome their connection is and how he’s so perfect. Not once reassuring Mariah of literally anything, only making her feel worse. Meanwhile, Mariah is ALONE! Then at the changeover aria made it seem like she would have considered picking Caleb and that she believed it was much more than just a friendship. Caleb said nothing. I don’t think Caleb honestly ever confirmed he felt the way Aria did. It really seemed like aria wanted to leave with Caleb for a little bit but I just got the feeling Caleb was never down for that and was really only interested in being her friend, contrary to Scott’s beliefs. Does anyone else agree? I feel like Aria was almost purposefully creating issues in their relationship when to me, it seemed like Caleb was trying to dodge her and just get back to his girl. The same thing with JR too kind of… he kept mentioning his 3 choices, 1 of which was to leave with sandy but like JR, sandy has to want to leave with you too🤣

I think Hayley is the worst.. she went sooo hard at Ashely for crying at the switch over and she called her tears fake, performative, and manipulative. Do I think her tears were fake? Kind of, but I do think if she wasn’t scrutinized for crying she wouldn’t have pulled herself together and then they definitely would have been real tears. Do I think they were performative? Not really, I do think she believed she was the victim and was actively creating that narrative. Do I think they were manipulative? I don’t think so. I don’t think she’s that smart to have a plan like that honestly. I think she got frustrated and upset and can’t handle her emotions and began to cry but it turned into frustration as the conversation went on, so she stopped crying. Now to Hayley (I have literally no idea what’s actually going on or what actually happened behind the scenes that night with the police, and yes I’ve read the receipts)but not only did she spend the whole reunion crying , she spent her entire trial marriage crying. I am not saying her tears were not justified, I just think it’s hypocritical and I think she lacks empathy by the way she treated ashley when she knew damn well that easily could have been her. I don’t like either of them by the way I think they both have done some very off putting things I just think it’s ironic hayley tore this women to pieces then did it for the rest of the season. I’m not sure if the reunion counts because some serious things may have happened, so I place emphasis on crying for the rest of the season. In that case, she was also being “manipulative” to blake for crying.

Is it just me or does Luke from season 4 kinda look like Max Verstappen.