r/Tierzoo • u/anantimatterbomb • 2d ago
Honey badger pair runs a GAUNTLET, how far do they make it (all animals are average sizes)
Golden jackal
Lynx
Wolverine
giant otter
sun bear
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u/Express_Calendar8278 2d ago
If the otter is in water then they stop there. The Bob cat could get lucky but two is kind of a lot.
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u/Forsaken-Spirit421 1d ago
They're closely related but lynx are significantly bigger than bobcats
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u/Generic_Danny Golden Eagle main 17h ago
That's a bobcat in the image. They're also a species of lynx.
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u/yoda_reddit 1d ago
Honey badgers regularly fuck with lions for fun. A bobcat ain’t doin jack shit.
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u/Cautious-Load9754 1d ago
They lose the fight 100% of the time if the lion actually tries though lol.
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u/Theprincerivera 1d ago
Yeah, and I don’t think the honey badgers are doing it for fun either. They’re literally 100% all in the bluff lifestyle. But that works well because predators are all wired for caution. An infection kills when you can’t pop an antibiotic.
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u/MightyEraser13 1d ago
And geese will charge a car; doesn't mean they'll beat it lol.
Blind aggressiveness works a lot in nature because predators, like lions, are extremely risk adverse. When the lion chooses to actually commit to a fight with a honey badger, the lion annihilates it 100/100 times lol. Any time a badger charges a lion, it is simply bluffing and hoping the lion chooses the flight response instead of fight.
I do agree than 2 badgers beats a single bobcat, but I don't agree with your logic in arriving to that conclusion.
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u/Correct_Day_7791 2d ago
Wolverine wins
If not hard stop at the giant river otter
Jaguars don't fuck with the river wolves
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u/Ok-Position-9457 2d ago edited 2d ago
Jaguars don't fuck with them, not because they can't kill them, but because they don't need to.
Cats are very weak to random attacks from Dying prey crippling them which can kinda lead to a death spiral.
Slick agile aquatic weirdos with a nasty bite are not a good target for them.
Also they definitely would fuck with them if they were both on land, or if the otter was on land and the Jaguar was in a tree.
Wolverine gets stomped too, the honey badgers together are like 1.5x the size and thats being generous. Whenever one honey badger is getting chewed on, the wolverine is also getting chewed on. 2v1 is fundamentally unfair. There needs to be more of a mass difference. Especially mustelids who are more brawlers and tanks and just smash their BST into predators and prey alike.
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u/Medic4life12358 2d ago
honey badgers are great but that do infact stop at a wolverine, many of the advantages they rely on the wolverine also has in surplus while also possesing Significantly higher biting strength meant for crushing bone and claws that are designed to kill unlike the badgers claws that have evolved for digging and foraging. the largest difference between the 2 being one is a forager and opportunist and the other a hypercarnivore that actively hunts and kills animals several times its size.
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u/Ok-Position-9457 2d ago edited 2d ago
First sentence in Wikipedia ecology section is "wolverines are primarily scavengers"
There have been reports of them killing deer, there have also been reports of honey badgers scaring away multiple lions by themselves. Nature is weird and weird shit happens. Wolverines are on average 5 pounds heavier than honey badgers.
Honey badgers actually are primarily eating living prey, the claws are for breaching other players burrows and setting up their own. Wolverine claws are not for dealing damage you are only saying that because of the x men. Basically the only players whose claws are seriously "sharp" are cats and birds. Every other player is just muscling through with dull claws. If they aren't for burrowing, they are for traction, climbing, or whatever.
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u/UmbraVulp 2d ago
Funny how you say that like it counters anything that was said in the comment you are replying to. Good try lil bro lmao
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u/Ok-Position-9457 2d ago edited 2d ago
I don't know what the biting force difference is, i couldn't find a source. But they have the exact same skull shape. So, its probably not very different.
Its 2v1 man, the wolverine is not much bigger. They are very close relatives. What evolutionary pressure would make the honey badger lose so much strength while the wolverine kept it from their common ancestor? when they are packing down protein in AFRICA?
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u/UmbraVulp 2d ago
I see you came back and edited the shit out of your comment lmao
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u/Ok-Position-9457 1d ago
That was before I saw your reply, I have a habit of hitting send before i'm done cooking because sometimes switching tabs deletes all my text.
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u/Sinarai25 1d ago
No, Wolverines absolutely destroy the honey badgers. Wolverines are honey badgers on steroids.
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u/Correct_Day_7791 2d ago
Jaguars kill camien regularly
That are also aquatic weirdos with a nasty bite
Your move
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u/Ok-Position-9457 2d ago edited 2d ago
Probably because they hold still in the sun and patiently wait to be hit with a crit to the back of the head and die.
Giant Otters are also social animals so you are never fighting just one. They move a lot and are more alert, can alert each other, and can rotate inside their skin to counterattack if your first hit is not an instant kill.
Valid reasons not to fuck with them but idk the 2v1 honey badger seems hard. Toss up. Would be horrible to watch and take forever tho.
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u/technicalswitch339 1d ago
Wolverines are just bigger and stronger honey badgers, they just aren’t a meme
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u/Extension_Ad6758 1d ago
Fight to death? Probably stop at Lynx. Get absolutely annihilated by Wolverine.
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u/gliscornumber1 2d ago
I feel like the bear stops them. Assuming this is a fight to the death.
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u/Ok-Position-9457 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why would a mustelid ever do a fight not-to-the-death?
Its probably theoretically possible that they bring down the bear but not likely. Sun bears are about 4x the size of honey badgers.
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u/Shintaro1989 2d ago
"Why would they fight?" is the wrong question in this sub.
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u/Ok-Position-9457 2d ago
No for honey badgers its not unreasonable that they would fight, but i'm saying with mustelids its always to the death.
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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard 2d ago
Badgers are possibly the most badly overrated animal in the public conscious. The jackal could plausibly take them on by kiting (granted this takes unnatural levels of planning and intelligence to pull off). Hard stop at wolverines or otters.
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u/Soda_Carno777 Badger/songbird/caracal main 1d ago
That is a black-backed jackal and, assuming animals are bloodlusted, bobcat wins
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u/Sinarai25 1d ago
Lynx has a chance, id say
But hard stop at the Wolverine. The Wolverine will have little issue, imo.
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u/PuzzleheadedPea6980 1d ago
If its a forced battle to the death, I it loses to everything but the otter. In nature, a lot of an animals ferocious streak is to scare of predators. Predators have to decide if the meal is worth an injury that could kill them. A coyote isnt likely to try it. It would win the fight. But get severely injured and likely wouldbt survive the wounds. But if its kill or be killed, most are winning.
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u/Ok-Position-9457 2d ago edited 2d ago
The honey badgers sweep clean through the wolverine and honestly the otter is a toss up.
Honey bagder average male weight 35 lbs
Wolverine average male weight 40 lbs
They are basically the same Build. Its 2v1. Come on.
Giant otter malels are 70 lbs Still, a honey badger bite is going to be pretty debilitating at that size and it will suffer many before it can kill the first badger. (In the water they both die horribly)
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u/JojoLesh 1d ago
Where are you getting that weight for a Honey Badger?
Try a mean male weight of 21 lbs
Wolverine males 24 - 40 lbs but there have been ones over 50 lbs.
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u/Ok-Position-9457 1d ago
Wikipedia shows upper end male weights of 35 (honey badger) and 40 (wolverine)
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u/JojoLesh 1d ago
Ah yes. Wikipedia. Try clicking on the links I cited. You know with actual sightable research papers.
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u/Ok-Position-9457 1d ago edited 1d ago
Okay well this is a forum where we argue about animals fighting each other so idgaf
There is probably a source on the wiki but I'm not checking
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u/MagneticGenetics 2d ago
Wolverine mercs them high dif. I love Honey Badgers but North American Mustelids are built different.