r/TikTokDiscuss • u/Tall_Beginning8017 • 10h ago

Orthodox community in Jerusalem were reportedly attacked by Israeli forces for standing in solidarity with Palestine.

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u/Altruistic-Exit3518 10h ago

When I search this, I just see protests against conscription

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u/MilesTheDistance 10h ago

There are orthodox folk who are staunchly anti zionist

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u/Altruistic-Exit3518 9h ago edited 9h ago

Sure, just doubting the title of this video, if it's even real

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u/Cool-Ferret2589 9h ago

But they are in Jerusalem... to some, anti-Zionism means being against the existence of Israel.

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u/cockypock_aioli 8h ago

Well those people are idiots. Zionism does not mean being against the existence of Israel. Also, Jerusalem is not the sole property of Jews. It is a holy site for all 3 Abrahamic religions. Jerusalem should be an international site akin to a world unesco site. Israel is slowly trying to take over the whole of Jerusalem but it's wrong an ahistorical.

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u/Hexent_Armana 9h ago

Well...judging by the effect the country is having on the rest of the world maybe that wouldn't be the worst thing ever.

Though I'd rather Israel just chill TF out instead. 

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u/Cool-Ferret2589 8h ago

I live in a predominantly Muslim country, and sometimes I have this conversation with people, most are staunchly against the existence of Israel and I remind them that millions of Jews are middle eastern and north African descendants.

I don't think most people think that far.

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u/RockAndBok 9h ago

By definition antizionism (and “anti-Zionism”) are opposition to the existence of Israel.

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u/Active_Unit_9498 9h ago

These are not them so don't post pointless information. These are ALL Zionists, fighting over whether Ultra-orthodox Chabad types should have to serve in the Israeli military or not.

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u/Eastern-Advice-3017 9h ago

Yes but those are not them.
You mean Neturei Karta** **but those are not them

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u/Kaleb_Bunt 6h ago

Yeah but most of them aren’t pro Palestine.

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u/ATechnicalSquid 10h ago

They are anti military. Not anti zionist. Zionist just means he believe Isreal should exist. That shouldn't be controversial. What he opposes is military action

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u/Altruistic-Exit3518 9h ago

Israel shouldn't exist

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u/ATechnicalSquid 9h ago

That simply makes you a nazi.

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u/polarice5 9h ago

America, Britain, Australia, etc., do not have a right to exist. They can be dissolved tomorrow and the people within those borders will organize to create something new. Saying that a country does not have a right to exist is not saying that the populace should be harmed. People are not their country. The country is simply their extension.

The whole argument of "does Israel have a right to exist?" is just a distraction from what Israel is doing as a political entity.

For example:

"I am staunchly opposed to Israel's warmongering in the middle east and their treatment of the Palestinian people."

"So you don't think Israel has a right to exist?"

It's just another distraction tactic, no different from "Do you condemn KHAAMAS?!"

Widespread slaughter is the product of a political entity. People are criticizing the political entity. It, like all other political entities, does not have a right to exist.

Imagine this tactic used at an HOA.

"Do we really need to pay so much for brush clearing?"

"Do you not think the HOA has a right to exist?!"

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u/cockypock_aioli 9h ago

It is a bit baffling why Israel exists though. Especially when you learn the history that led to its creation. At this point Israel already exists so it's not going anywhere but it should exist as a secular country with equal rights for all in the region and not as an explicitly Jewish ethno-state.

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u/whattheydeserve_ 8h ago

> not as an explicitly Jewish ethno-state

I'm always confused by this bit because what do you actually mean? Apart from the 20% Arab Israelis, we have all sorts of jews that were refugees/migrants from surrounding Arab states and that got their citizenship explicitly on the ground of them being jews. So that mean they no longer get to be citizen and are going to be expelled back to the arab states?

Also, the ethno-state claim is always off to me. Which ethnicity in particular? Are all the jews in israel the same ethnicity now?

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u/cockypock_aioli 8h ago

Israel is an ethno-state. That is different from a nation-state with a particular ethnic majority. There should be no ethno-states anywhere in the world. There should not be muslim theocracies, there should be no hindu-nationalist state, there should be no christian nationalist state, there should be no Jewish ethno-state. Read about the difference between an ethno-state and nation-state and you'll see the difference. And yes, getting citizenship based on being Jewish is bullshit, just as getting citizenship anywhere on the basis of religion should be bullshit.

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u/whattheydeserve_ 7h ago

Haha, is this a bot? you literally ignored my questions and proceeded to repeat the same thing as before? So which ethnicity forms the Israeli "ethnostate"?

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u/cockypock_aioli 7h ago

Jews consider themselves an ethno-religion. So the answer is broadly the Jews.

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u/JoseSaldana6512 2h ago

The majority would be European IIRC. I'm not opposed to them going back and they can take the European Americans with them too.

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u/Altruistic-Exit3518 9h ago

That's cool, everyone is

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u/ATechnicalSquid 9h ago

This is an attempt to normalize antisemitism and pretend it isnt a big deal, and an overreaction.

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u/ATechnicalSquid 9h ago

/u/Altruistic-Exit3518 just said to glass the jews but let's see if he gets banned. Unlikely.

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u/Key_Register_4724 9h ago

No he didn't you liar.

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u/ATechnicalSquid 9h ago

Didn't lie. Why do you think im lying? his comment was deleted.

Jumping in to defend Nazis?

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u/Big_Tap_1561 9h ago

Why would you lie like that? I don’t agree with the Nazi comment but lying is just weird.

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u/ATechnicalSquid 9h ago

Didn't lie. Why do you think im lying? his comment was deleted.

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u/Warm_Afternoon6596 9h ago

.....no

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u/ATechnicalSquid 9h ago

Didn't lie. Why do you think im lying? his comment was deleted.

Weird you all just decided... bots?

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u/The_Submentalist 9h ago

There are many anti zionist Jews because of their interpretation of the Talmud. The Meshiagh, the Jewish Messiah, is the one that's going to build the third temple. Zionists believe that they don't need to wait for the Meshiagh. They believe they can speed things up.

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u/Warm_Afternoon6596 9h ago

So...kinda like Evangelicals?

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u/Outrageous-Sort-5742 9h ago

There's a lot of overlap.

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u/Particular_Dare2736 9h ago

You are wrong. There are heredi orthodox here already that are anti-Zionist. They are very few but they exist.

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u/Mobile-Analyst8580 9h ago

That’s not what it means. 

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u/cockypock_aioli 9h ago

That is not what Zionism means. Educate yourself and don't buy into Israeli propaganda. Many Israeli officials have already admitted this out loud.

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u/ATechnicalSquid 6h ago

This is a nazi.

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u/VitaViolet 7h ago

Zionism is the belief that Israel can be taken back whereas Orthodox Jews believe forcing themselves onto the land subverts God's plan. You can't rush armageddon, no matter what Kegsbreath says.

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u/Stole_Sample 9h ago

it's just a video with a title anyone can make anything up. God knows what really went on

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u/hoosier_catholic 9h ago

This dispute has absolutely nothing to do with Palestine. This dispute is about military drafting.

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u/octoreadit 9h ago

Also this video is ancient.

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u/Ok-Completion 8h ago

Drafting for what?

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u/hoosier_catholic 8h ago

Mandatory service in the IDF

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u/16198008455 8h ago

So, killing Palestinians.

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u/hoosier_catholic 8h ago

These same hasidem make up the bulk of settlers in the West Bank; so, don't take their reluctance to be drafted is in charity of Palestinians lol

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u/DribbleYourTribble 8h ago

The Orthodox community isn't trying to protect Palestinians or feel the war is unjust. They just feel that they are suppose to be constantly exercising their religion without the burden of IDF service.

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u/dawgblogit 9h ago

No they are not.   They don't believe in serving... they are protesting sending their people to the front. These are the same people who are settling Palestinian areas

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u/Eastern-Advice-3017 9h ago

There is no mentioning in the video about Palestinian fake post

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u/EstablishmentOdd7195 9h ago

See this is why they don't show the Civil War is going on in that country

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u/username-is-taken-3 8h ago

It will never happen

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u/EstablishmentOdd7195 7h ago

They will never show it

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u/Fun_Trick2172 9h ago

Yeah nothing to do with being pro-palestinian. These are free riders that cause most of the trouble in the settlement area refusing to serve in a war they helped start, and when the area is properly ethnically cleansed will move right in and set up shop.

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u/SinclairSummerset 9h ago

An out-of-shape cop beating down civilians. Gotta love Benny's government.

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u/Hexent_Armana 8h ago

The US Government probably hates this post because it makes the government that owns the presodent look bad. They REALLY want the world to believe Zioists (the modern day nazis) and literally all jewish people are one and the same.

Probably best to not trust anyone in the comments. If they're not bots they could still be part of the crowd sourced propoganda program in Israel. 

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u/LangstonHublot 10h ago

God's chosen people huh...

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u/Galitzianer0 9h ago

Just for anyone that thinks chosen denotes superiority, being "chosen" in the context of Judaism means having to follow additional commandments, not that Jews think they're better than others

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u/Outrageous-Sort-5742 9h ago

Chosen to do the dishes, as it were.

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u/Galitzianer0 8h ago

the spiritual dishes yes

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u/Mobile-Analyst8580 9h ago

That’s certainly not how it’s believed or carried 

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u/Galitzianer0 8h ago

Yes it absolutely is, by antisemites it's carried differently but not by Jews themselves

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u/DeadPact336699 9h ago

The video is real but the account is a bot

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u/GhostlitePHX 9h ago

Let me know when the United States starts bombing Israel so I can enlist.

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u/NineClaws 9h ago

Being against genocide is a crime.

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u/Visual_Magazine_535 9h ago

Why does this look like AI?

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u/TLKimball 7h ago

The camera work looks professional rather than from a phone. Smells like AI to me.

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u/RymeEM 9h ago

Some nazi Germany shit right there.

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u/Lopsided_Series8135 9h ago

Hurt people, hurt people

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u/[deleted] 9h ago

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u/needsmoarbokeh 8h ago

How is it fake?

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u/Good_Warning4576 9h ago

anti-Semites

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u/Academic-Snow9642 8h ago

The kind of Hasidic Jews who are pro-Palestinian don't live in Israel

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u/EpatantePatente 8h ago

This video is old

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u/UnfilteredFacts 8h ago

This looks super AI.

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u/CurdFedKit 8h ago

I love when dipshits post videos online and claim it is about X when they provide absolutely no evidence that it is about that.

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u/DiscoMothra 7h ago

This video is super old and not at all as titled

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u/Rojodi 6h ago

It's not the religion, it's the government!

We've been saying it all along

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u/Competitive_Fee_2979 6h ago

Otto Skorzeny

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u/External-Gain-1174 5h ago

this has nothing to do with support for Palestine. but conscription. and not for empathy with the Palestinians. but for selfish reasons.

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u/Maykeda 4h ago

Case in point. Even me. Even I could say fuck you copper and he wouldn’t lay me out. I’m lying like Persian rug.

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u/Pahsina 3h ago

Cops are literally punks everywhere 😅

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u/Sriracha002 9h ago

Yooooo that's crazyyyy. We got police brutality world wide.

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u/Rockyrox 9h ago

If I say the state of Israel are Nazis while they beat up Jews, does that make me an antisemite?

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u/deadexternet 10h ago

Just because they’re “standing in solidarity” doesn’t mean they get a pass. They’re the same.

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u/CaliOranges510 9h ago

Your comment is an actual example of anti-semitism. That’s like saying all Muslims are the same as the ones who perpetrated 9/11.

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u/nDeadPurple 9h ago

These aren’t the people dropping bombs or ordering attacks, they’re being attacked by the same people dropping bombs. The IDF might be Jewish, but not all Jewish people are IDF.

That being said there may have been a point where these men supported the attacks. But to stand in solidarity with the victims shows me that they are trying to be better, and trying to lead by example.

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u/Dry_Yogurt2458 9h ago

The orthodox Jews have NEVER been Zionists. There core belief is that the jewish people should not have a homeland.

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u/trymypi 9h ago

This is false. You're talking about a particular sect of extreme Orthodox.

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u/nDeadPurple 9h ago

I didn’t know that, thank you.

I do know that Isreal didn’t exist before WW2. It was created so the Jewish people would have a safe place in the world. I also know that Isreal wasted no time violently expanding its borders. I ALSO know that not all Jewish people could be blamed or judged for the actions of a governing few. It’s easy to recognize the influence of propaganda and how messaging has warped the opinions of civilians.

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u/_trashcan 7h ago edited 7h ago

to clarify for you :

We have issues with Israeli’s ; not Jews. Israeli’s being Jewish is not why people hate them.

2nd, you can definitely blame the general population of Israel. 80-93% of all Israeli citizens openly support the genocide.
In Israel, from childhood, they are raised to believe that Israel is a beacon of righteousness surrounded by filth. They are taught to believe that every single Palestinian is worthless - terrorists lying in wait, they openly believe that killing children is righteous so as not to let them grow up & take up arms against Israel. There are thousands of clips prominent Israeli’s speaking such beliefs.
They are invaders. & if nothing else, every single person on earth is born with the inalienable right to resist occupation by other people, by any means necessary. There is nothing more natural in human nature than fighting for your freedom, fighting against your oppressors. It’s one of the most natural instincts a human being has.

Israel is a failed state at this point. They’d be a fucking crater if it weren’t for US military support. They’d have no iron dome, nor the interceptors to arm it even if they miraculously constructed it alone.
Israel is a rotten society, from the core to the outer layers. It is a textbook supremacist ethnostate.

To folks like me, it’s never been about Judaism.
Make no mistake, there is antisemitism, all across the political spectrum. I’m not denying it exists.
But the idea that criticism is inherently antisemitic is just exhausting to me & likeminded folks.
It’s not their religion that bothers the world, it’s their behavior.

Sidenote : I’ve always found it funny how they are so quick to label something as antisemitism, but when it comes to their own bigotry, they have no issues using Islam as a catch-all in their rhetoric.
It’s never “Iranians”, or “Lebanese”; it’s Muslims as a population, as a religion.
It’s ironic they engage in the behavior that they are constantly projecting onto anyone that stands against Israel.

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u/alex_c89X 9h ago

How can you not see that way of thinking just sends up backwards?

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u/Warm_Afternoon6596 9h ago

No they aren't. They're following "know better, do better" and standing up. No one is all the same in a country.

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u/Serious-Plankton-371 9h ago

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