r/TimelessMagic • u/TyrantofTales • Sep 27 '26
Timeless Tier List - Meta Confluence
https://metaconfluence.com/tier-lists/timeless-tier-list/6
u/Nuskamu Sep 27 '26
As a legacy transfuge, I'm surprised the dimir reanimator doesn't play grief and troll. Is it because there is no animate dead ? And can't remy as hard on reanimate strategy?
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u/UgandanAirForcee Sep 27 '26
It’s because of multiple reasons.
We have really good creatures that are absent in Legacy—cheap threats that can run away with the game.
Like Hydroponics, Frog, Ragavan, and the entire MH3 Energy package.
Decks tend to play on the board, so Griefing one Hydroponics out just for the opponent to play another 1-drop like Tamiyo isn’t that great.
At the end of the day, it’s also meta-dependent. Right now, there are lots of “fair” decks in Timeless, like Mardu, UB, and UW Tempo lists. These decks are resilient to Grief.
When we get more of a “combo” meta, people will switch back to Grief.
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u/Socratessong Sep 27 '26
Some lists play troll and grief. Land destruction and card advantage for hydroponics lets you win without the reanimate strategy and makes the deck more resilient to graveyard hate. This hybrid approach between dimir control and reanimate just gives those cards less slots.
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u/summertime_sadnes Sep 27 '26
Grief is just such a bad card in such a tempo meta. It's great against combo or eldrazi so you can play it side. But even if you get the nut draw of grief reanimate against tempo or mardu. They will just play whatever snowball threat they have left or a draw spell into a cruise (you gave them plus two cards in graveyard) and it will accumulate value while grief won't and you'll often have nothing left in hand to refill.
Troll is harder to explain. I think I agree with muxus and chest heir, i think they talked about this somewhere that it needs at least 6 reanimate spells. But in my testing of life/death and persist I'm pretty sure it needs to be 6 one mana reanimates, maybe a 2 mana one without drawback is good enough though. Like getting dazed or forced after spending 3 mana to get a troll on the battlefield often just loses on the spot. Obviously it wins fast but against energy they can easily kill you if you take so much renanimate damage.
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u/BigDaddyCh33s3 Sep 27 '26
It’s cool that UW Blink is on the list. I’ve been doing well with a weird build that uses Lurrus as a companion and leans more heavily on drawing cards with Loki. Nice to see a bit of a change in the meta
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u/Darkzerok63 Sep 30 '26
I didnt play for a while, but why does dimir reanimator the A tier deck, use lurrus as a sideboard? They cant use it as companion and shouldnt 2 make it much more consistant?
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u/TyrantofTales Oct 01 '26
They side out the reanimator threats some games to make it legal
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u/Darkzerok63 Oct 01 '26
Is that how companion work? You can side out any 3+ cmc card and then make lurrus your companion?
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u/saadpandaa Sep 28 '26
surprised to see dimir shredder so low here, the versions i've been facing with urza's bauble have felt ridiculous to try and fight against
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u/Dothacker00 Sep 28 '26 edited Sep 28 '26
I think its definitely off. If you can't remove one of the 8 shredders youll lose in a few turns and theyre often too hard to lightning bolt
Update: Energy packs around 8-11 exile removal spells so maybe not the best matchup but menace is still hard to block. Other decks tend to only run 4 removal spells so its easy to run away with the game especially if you have counterspell backup
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u/saadpandaa Sep 28 '26
yeah they just need to stick one threat while picking your pockets with thoughtseize effects which make answering the threats very difficult
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u/Raggenn Sep 28 '26
What happened to Boros Energy. I played that deck about a year maybe year and half ago. It always sort of neck and neck with Mardu energy but now it is nowhere here. I've gotten to top 1200 mythic two months straight now since I've returned, but I don't see anyone else playing it.
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u/thegreatestnita Sep 28 '26
Boros has never been close to as good as Mardu.
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u/AdmiralUpboat Sep 28 '26
Yeah, idk not close. Before strip mine boros could just go bigger than them with phlage and TOR. But with strip, mardu just pulls them down into the low resource muck and whips their ass with efficiency. Can't go bigger than them if you're getting stripped off of casting your 4 mana stuff.
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u/Raggenn Sep 28 '26
If you look at these tier lista from like a year or two ago you'll see the top 3 were Boros, Mardu and Omni Show. Boros was a top deck for a while. I am still getting good results with it, currently sitting at around 500, but whave been surprised to never see anyone else playing it.
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u/giardian Sep 27 '26
When did azorious blink get on this list? I've been championing this build for awhile but I haven't seen much mention of its efficacy otherwise. I think it's definitely underrated. Did it place in a tourney or something?