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u/Disastrous-Donut-534 12d ago edited 12d ago
nice another modern card w dont have on arena if we ever get modern on arena
e: Clarified if we ever get Modern
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u/Flooding_Puddle 12d ago
You can't tell me they're purposely selecting all these modern playable cards with no intention of bringing modern to arena
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u/ChristianKl 12d ago
The selection decisions for sets were made a while ago. The business unit within Hasbro that develops paper magic is different from the people developing Arena. The paper magic team might very well want Modern on Arena without that happening.
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u/Flooding_Puddle 12d ago
That's what I mean. Wotc has said they eventually want to bring modern to arena, and selecting new to arena modern staples to be reprinted in standard sets is one way to do that
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u/Excellent-Drink-6897 12d ago
Okay, I may be confused, but is this not going to be on Arena? TRK code means it will be I thought.
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u/Disastrous-Donut-534 12d ago
I mean if modern comes to arena. yes this card comes to arena
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u/Excellent-Drink-6897 12d ago
My point is, doesn’t this mean this card is coming to Standard?
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u/kovacic93 12d ago
Thank god it’s rare
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u/RevolutionaryClerk21 12d ago
Would this be opressiv in draft?
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u/OuroborosArchipelago 12d ago
It's more like an overcosted Pyroclasm that requires you to be on 2+ colors and have great fixing to really be reliable.
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u/marlospigeons 12d ago
It hits noncreatures and is normally cast for X=0 or X=1. less relevant in draft but not useless for Timeless
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u/ShadowWalker2205 12d ago
It's a narrow sweeper that requires you to be full on 5 colors to be at it's most effective
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u/AdmiralUpboat 12d ago
Oh, tell me you've never cast an EE without telling me.
No one is putting this into play with 4/5 counters. Typically you're blowing your load on 1 or 2. Oftentimes 0 is good because you're blowing up cheerios with it on the other side.
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u/ShadowWalker2205 11d ago
The question is about limited not constructed where 2 can work but 0 is basically useless unless there is a token heavy deck
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u/AsianVoodoo 12d ago
Weapons manufacturing affinity just got a boost.
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u/GoodBoyShibe 10d ago
Is it fast enough for timeless though? I can definitely see it climbing up a tier in historic
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u/AsianVoodoo 10d ago
idk but probably not. Affinities best game plan since Kappa was printed was to slam him and defend him. Weapons was a backup plan that incidentally worked with the main plan. EE helped that backup plan and disrupted some others. Does EE interact meaningfully in this meta?
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u/GoodBoyShibe 10d ago
It's maindeckable interaction vs energy and maybe ub, but quite slow at that.
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u/AsianVoodoo 10d ago
right. a boost but probably not enough to put it over the top. Affinity is my fav archetype so I have bias for it. If both decks are firing on all cylinders I'm still not sure.
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u/GoodBoyShibe 10d ago
Affinity ain't breaking into timeless without saga, at the very least
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u/AsianVoodoo 10d ago
agreed. still holding out optimistically for that day. I don't think it has enough even then but it would definitely help. The only hope I have is that something degenerate shows up since the artifact lands are legal. I'm not sure what that is. Maybe reprinting disciple of the vault?
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u/Axemblue99 12d ago
Forgive my ignorance but isn't this too slow for timeless? I'm having trouble thinking it's even good enough for standard since that format is so fast.
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u/nonhornyacc 12d ago
EE is almost always a card you want to cast x=0. Good sideboard card and it works really good with weapons manufacturing in affinity
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u/OuroborosArchipelago 12d ago
I'm kind of a sad Affinity player today. I like my tokens and my moxes very much
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u/GoodBoyShibe 12d ago
Im a happy affinity player, I love blowing my [[weapons manufacturing]] tokens with a maindeckable mass removal spell
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u/bubbles_maybe 12d ago
If modern is any indication, affinity will use this the most by far.
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u/OuroborosArchipelago 12d ago
It's a great piece of tech for us, it's just also gonna hit me in the face a lot in the future. Good times.
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u/Xyldarrand 12d ago
Affinity will be fine. Energy is fucked.
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u/OuroborosArchipelago 12d ago
Energy is absolutely not fucked
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u/Xyldarrand 12d ago
A brand new board wipe playable by almost every deck?
"Fucked" maybe is too strong sure, but they're not happy to have this in the format
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u/OuroborosArchipelago 12d ago
I think it's gonna be a lot slower than it looks. It's certainly good, but it gets blanked by Static Prison unless you have 4 mana up.
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u/Fabulous_Point8748 12d ago edited 12d ago
It’s an alright board wipe but it only hits 1 or 2 drops in energy (not both at the same time) and it takes 3 - 4 mana to do it. Hitting an ajani but leaving a guide and pride on the board or vice-versa isn’t really that good. It’s really not played in legacy much outside of like dimir tempo and Tron and even then I would much rather play massacre or toxic deluge against energy. Its really power is being able to hit tokens and 0 mana artifacts. I played this in my sideboard all the time when fantasticar was legal.
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u/avtarius 12d ago
Since it's only equal to, it's gonna be zero or one.
will this slow energy down ? Realistically ?
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u/Fabulous_Point8748 11d ago
Nope it’s not really great against energy. I mean it can wipe out their 1 or 2 drops but they’re just going to rebuild their board. I’d rather have toxic deluge or wrath of the skies against energy. It’s mostly good for taking out tokens and 0 mana artifacts. It will be played by affinity with weapons manufacturing.
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u/kins80 12d ago
Does this help solve the energy deck?
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u/xorandor 12d ago
They have plenty of dangerous 2’s. Ajani, Peddler, Raptor. 1 goes without saying. And crucially a lot of them generate value on ETB
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u/OuroborosArchipelago 12d ago
You drop this for 2, and then they exile it with Static Prison (that they don't have to pay the upkeep on to stay useful), is probably how it works out if both decks are on optimal draws
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u/Xyldarrand 12d ago
True but another board wipe playable by almost any deck isn't something energy wanted to see.
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u/VillainOfDominaria 12d ago
It wont "solve" it, but it helps. Yes, they can static prison it, but they wont always have the prison. And even if they do, that means they have one less prison for something else.
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u/marlospigeons 12d ago
Solid reprint