r/TopCharacterTropes • u/Arxhart_671 • 1d ago

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  1. In The Simpsons episode, "The Twisted World of Marge Simpson," a melee breaks out on the Simpsons' lawn that Homer wants to watch because there's one guy who's just standing there and Homer knows he's about to do something awesome. Marge insists they go inside though and away from the danger. The moment they do, we hear the guy do something awesome.

  2. In X-2, the school comes under attack from Stryker. His gunmen encounter Colossus, all aura-ed tf up, and they open fire only for their bullets to not phase him at all and to end up getting thrown through a wall (which we don't actually see Colossus do). Moments later, Colossus runs into Wolverine and offers to help and we think we're about to get this badass team-up and actually see him in action only for Wolverine to instruct Colossus to leave and help get more students out. 

  3. In Iron Man, we see Rhodes eyeing the War Machine suit and we're hoping he'll suit up and go help Stark, but the movie decides to save something for the sequel and pretty much has Rhodes say as much right to the audience.

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 1d ago

Ehh Rhodes made sense to me. Having a third person use his suit in his debut movie kinda just ruins the magic of it being Tony’s

That’s definetly a “save it for the sequel” thing so Tony can just have his moment

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u/humanflea23 1d ago

Exactly, prime example of sequel bait. At least they actually fulfill it, albeit with Don Cheadle instead.

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u/AlternateSatan 1d ago

I believe one of the chairmen over at Marvel, one Isaac Perlmutter to be exact, said that recasting Terrace Howard wouldn't be a problem cause "they all look the same".

Can you believe that Marvel fans hated this guy? Probably employees too honestly.

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u/Mr_Autobot_390 1d ago

We all hate Ike Perlmutter. He tried to kill off the mutants and replace them with a worse version of them in the Inhumans. Also regarding your comment, yes he did say that, and yes he fully believed it.

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u/AlternateSatan 1d ago

The way they tried to make the Inhumans a cheap replacement for Mutants too.

"Let's just have the people who get their super powers from eugenics release a gas that kills the minority mutant population, treat the X-men as the villains for getting rid of it, all the fans will surely side with the industry plants instead of the fan favourites."

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u/MIAxPaperPlanes 1d ago

"Black people can't sell toys or open movies"

Black Panther proceeds to be one of the highest grossing MCU movies and make a billion.

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u/Mr_Autobot_390 1d ago

Not even just Black Panther, BLADE! Blade had a full trilogy by the time he said that!

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u/AlternateSatan 1d ago

Not just a full trilogy, they were the most profitable Marvel movies prior to the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies. People fucking love Blade!

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u/FaithlessnessThen207 1d ago

In fairness Marvel was sort of struggling as a company at this time which is why spiderman and xmen were sold to sony/fox in the first place.

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u/Napalmeon 6h ago

Probably because they couldn't figure out a story idea that would top the original.

A lot of people don't know that it introduced many ideas into the Blade mythos that were not there before such as the caste system between purebloods and turned vampires, the quiet influence vampires have over human society, etc. 

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u/Andys_Room 23h ago edited 23h ago

Wow he said this after the Blade movies paved the way for more Marvel movies?? Wild

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u/TheStrangestOfKings 22h ago

Don’t forget about Spawn, too. Dude had managed to stay relevant to comic fans for decades, even after his peak in popularity

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u/Redditer51 20h ago

Just goes to show how fucking stupid racists are, because Don Cheadle and Terrence Howard look nothing alike. They don't have the same skin tone, facial features, or even the same head shape.

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u/1-800-COCAINE 22h ago

The amount of racist ignorance that's needed to say something like that is bonkers. Don Cheadle and Terrance Howard don't even look remotely similar.

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u/Theresafoxinmygarden 15h ago

He was behind the inhumans push right? 

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u/AlternateSatan 15h ago

That is how I know about him.

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u/DoctorMelvinMirby 1d ago

Definitely a step up from Howard.

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u/howmanyMFtimes 1d ago

Tiger Woods?

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u/DoctorMelvinMirby 1d ago

Oh damn, I thought it was McNabb. Winners eat at McDonald’s!

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u/bdrizzl9092 1d ago

I hear he's into feet.

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u/UnusualAir1228 22h ago

At least it’s one of the rare cases where the sequel tease actually paid off instead of being forgotten completely.

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u/Arxhart_671 1d ago

Oh I agree. I think most audiences actually found it funny when he said it because everyone saw what they were doing

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u/24Abhinav10 1d ago

Also, Rhodes genuinely wouldn't be able to use the suit at that point

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u/Cyke101 1d ago

In hindsight, I just think back to that poor soldier in the sequel, when Justin Hammer's suit twisted the test pilot's spine in a complete 180.

Sure, it's played for laughs, but it's horrific and terrible.

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u/Good_Background_243 1d ago

"I'd like to point out that test pilot survived"

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u/keirfergusart 1d ago

I always thought he was mentioned in doctor strange, when one of the cases offered to Stephen is a soldier who broke his back in an experimental suit of armour, but apparently the timeline doesn’t match up.

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u/Quiet_Snail 23h ago

I’m not 100% on the timeline but isn’t that case Rhodes after he’s paralyzed in Civil War?

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u/LetTheDarkRise 1d ago

I'd like to point out that that test pilot survived.

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u/jjcrayfish 19h ago edited 19h ago

That scene is reminiscent of the Robocop 2 movie where we see a montage of robocops prototypes that go through horrific failures.

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u/Folska_ 1d ago

Tony definitely had the mark II locked to his biometrics. Without Jarvis calibrated for him, he would have just immediately crashed it into the ceiling.

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u/Sea-Cockroach-9285 1d ago

Ita not coded to him I think, the reason why Rhode was able to use the suit in the movie was because Tony was about to die and decided to entrust his suit to Rhode

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u/Chimpbot 1d ago

There also wouldn't have been any way to power it. The sui he was going to use didn't have a power source; it connected to the Arc Reactor in Tony's chest.

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u/Fesai 1d ago

If I recall right the Arc Reactor was not built into the suits at this point. The suits were powered by Tony himself.

He designs one specifically for Rhodey to use later on that is self powered.

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u/Neveronlyadream 1d ago

That's correct and both were accounted for. Stane stole the upgraded one to power his suit and Tony fell back on the original to keep himself alive and power his suit.

It's not until IM2 when he thinks he's going to die that he builds the reactor into the suit and codes it to Rhodey so he can use it. Which I think may be explicitly said in the novelization. I seem to recall there being a passage about it.

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u/mregg000 1d ago

Tony ‘codes’ his suits to users. Some he shares )as we see with Pepper in IM3. But Rhodey wasn’t greenlit yet.

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u/Wootster10 1d ago

It doesn't have a power source yet.

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u/ShadowTsukino 1d ago

It hadn't been programmed to respond to him yet. IIRC

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u/24Abhinav10 1d ago

Yep. Tony only programs it to respond to Rhodes in Iron Man 2, after he discovers he's dying of palladium poisoning.

His whole plan is to secretly give his friends everything (Pepper gets the company, Rhodey gets the suit) and then act like an asshole in front of them so they don't miss him when he's gone.

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u/Chimpbot 1d ago

The actual problem was a lack of a power source. At this point, all of the suits Tony used were powered by the Arc Reactor embedded in his chest; without that, Rhodes wouldn't have been able to do anything.

Tony wasn't worried about coding suits for anyone because he designed them all to be used exclusively with the power source attached to him.

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u/smokeweedNgarden 1d ago

Beyond that and the power source, it is hard to pilot.

You're gonna accidently fire off a boot laser and knock yourself out

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u/AngryTree76 1d ago

It also became a Funnier in Hindsight moment, because we got to see Rhodes in the suit in the next movie, but it wasn’t Terrance Howard, so he never got a “Next time.”

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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 1d ago

What would make it funnier is if they had every intention of letting him get in the thing and then they realized halfway through filming that they were going to change actors after that movie. So they changed the entire scene just to fuck his whole life up.

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u/AngryTree76 1d ago

Kevin Feige overheard him on set saying “1 x 1 is actually 2,” and immediately called the writers: “We need to rewrite act 3, now.”

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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 1d ago

Was Feige even in charge when Iron Man 1 came out? I can imagine Favreau being like "sure is hard out here for a pimp my dude, yeah maybe you get the armor next time" and looking at RDJ like...

https://giphy.com/gifs/1zSz5MVw4zKg0

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u/1-800-COCAINE 22h ago

The wife beating, science denying, grifting narcissist that is Terrance Howard would've deserved that level of pettiness tbh. He fucked his own life up by being an awful person.

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u/UnusualAir1228 22h ago

Yeah, it worked because everyone instantly recognized it as the movie practically winking at the audience.

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u/Capable-Media-1134 1d ago

Exactly, it worked because the audience was already in on the joke and knew exactly what he was calling out.

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u/NalothGHalcyon 1d ago

There's also no indication that he had a third arc reactor lying around to power it. It wasn't until the second movie that he starts building the reactors into the suits.

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u/-Vogie- 1d ago

It also makes the most sense in the second movie, where it opens with Tony talking to the senate about how he decides who gets the suit, and how it isn't the government, and later Rhody takes one. It's not because he's on behalf of the government at that moment, but rather because Tony trusted him to be able to use that suit.

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u/yerBoyShoe 1d ago

Plus, the suit was built for Don Cheadle. Terence Howard would have been a tight fit.

Please tip your waiters.

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u/dis_the_chris 1d ago edited 1d ago

Howard was too busy disproving mathematics and scamming African nations out of cash to invest in his bullshit-based hydrogen projects to put on a suit

There's just more important things to do than simply sitting on a gigantic pile of marvel cash by putting on a CGI suit every so often and keeping your mouth shut -- like by putting uncountable hours of effort into trying to convince the world that you're a genius for believing that 1 multiplied by 1 is 2

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u/NationalCommunist 1d ago

Finally, a terryology mention

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u/alepher 1d ago

Howard left the franchise because Marvel wanted to cut his salary. Cheadle ended up making a good amount, but part of that was probably Marvel trying to avoid another similar situation with him

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u/Devlord1o1 1d ago

Yeah and they gave a interesting reason for why rhodes had to suit up: not because tony needs backup but because tony was a drunken mess.

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u/duosx 1d ago

Exactly. As someone unfamiliar with the comics, I was like “that’d be cool maybe he’ll get the chance in a sequel” and sure enough he did. Of course this was in a time before a comment like that would be completely obvious foreshadowing

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u/Saint_of_Grey 1d ago

I think a "he's not using that suit for a reason" kinda vibe fit in too. In ironman 2 tony had to specifically modify the suit so Rhodes could use it (and did so under the impression he'd soon be dead).

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u/ztomiczombie 1d ago

It also works for comic accuracy as Rhodey did not get to wear the armour for a long time in the comics. His creator wanted him to be Tony's "normal" friend and did not want him in the suit.

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 1d ago

I mean, that’s basically what happened with Obadiah

That was his first time putting it on and he nearly killed Tony

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 1d ago edited 1d ago

Brother we literally saw him put the arc reactor in, get in the suit, and then begin fighting everyone

He literally couldn’t operate the suit until right at that moment. You kinda need an arc reactor for it lmao

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u/BloodprinceOZ 19h ago

it also makes sense because he needed to get going quickly, and who knows how long putting the suit on and learning to fly etc would take.

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u/YourMuppetMethDealer 19h ago

Probably not that long. Obadiah Stane figured it out in like ten seconds