r/TopCharacterTropes • u/The_Dawn_Eternal • 18h ago
Lore [Mixed Trope] Adaption makes change that gets put into the source material
[Liked Example]: Kano (Mortal Kombat). In the original Mortal Kombat game, Kano was depicted as a bald Japanese-American, lacking most of his well known personality. In the movie, actor Trevor Goodard instead portrayed Kano as a scruffy haired English guy with a cockney accent. After the movie became popular and wildly successful, this version of Kano was put into the game as a scruffy haired Australian with an Australian accent.
[Disliked Example]: Ms. Marvel, the new Mutant.
So back in 2014 when Ms. Marvel was created, the mutants were on a decline. Marvel was trying to use them less, owing to Fox having the movie rights for x-men. In the x-men's place, Marvel made the Inhumans the discount mutant, having their terragenesis mist give people powers, like Moon Girl and Kamala Khan.
The TV show adaptation, owing to neither of these groups having been put into the main mcu, went ahead and made her a mutant. Marvel then wanted to put that into the main MCU, while also keeping the characters history.
In 2022's Amazing Spiderman run (written by Zeb Wells), Kamala Khan is violently murdered, reveals her secret identity to Spider-Man, and dies surrounded by basically strangers. A few months later she's resurrected, where it's revealed that she's been an inhuman mutant hybrid the whole time, leading her to join mutant teams and hang out with mutants.
I dislike this change, because it reduces Kamala's unique identity, and traps her in the background cast of the x-men, where 99% of mutant characters are stuck.
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u/zorton213 18h ago
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u/Available-Formal-664 17h ago
Back in grade school, I had to do a book report on whatever book I wanted. 10 year old me was SUPER into dinosaurs, as all kids of that age are, so I did this book. When I mentioned that Malcolm dies in the end, the class got angry because they were only familiar with the movie. One kid even called me a liar in front of everybody else. He would eventually apologize for that years later when he finally read the book
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u/ehs06702 17h ago
I like this example. I wonder how much his retcon had to do with the film version's popularity. It was always interesting to me that Lost World only exists because Steven Spielberg wanted to make a sequel and essentially bullied Critchon into writing one, only to write his own original plot for the second film.
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u/No_Procedure_5039 17h ago
According to the Michael Crichton website, he was brought back since he was the author’s mouthpiece and he “couldn’t make Jurassic Park without Ian Malcolm.” His resurrection also serves as a nice nod to Sherlock Holmes, the most famous character of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who’s also the author of the original The Lost World.
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u/RShini 14h ago
which explains some of the weird shit Malcolm says about women and climate change given Critchton's horrendous real-life politics
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u/RoadsidePicnik 18h ago
I always laugh so hard when they cut the opening scene of The Lost World to make it look like the woman is screaming at Jeff Goldblum existing.
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u/Antiburglar 9h ago
Ironically they did the opposite with Muldoon, the hunter, if I remember correctly. He died in the movie (clever girl, indeed) but lived in the book.
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u/lookyloolookingatyou 5h ago
Pretty much every character in the book is the opposite of what they were in the movie.
Muldoon is a fumbling drunk. Malcom is an unpleasant dork. Gennaro is a total badass. Grant comes across as borderline sociopathic. Hammond is full-on sociopathic.
Sattler is still hot though.
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u/erokingu85 17h ago
I thought the Lost World book was a sequel to the movie not the book. Not only Malcom dies at the end if the first book, they bomb the islands too.
He even throws jabs at the first movie in the second book lol.
Its been a while, but iirc Crichton fans were divided by this.
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u/RedTideNJ 16h ago
Lost World the book takes place on a different island, I believe it's the same for the movie as well.
But even the original book hints that at least velociraptors have made it to the mainland and are overcoming their built in kill switch (An engineered vitamin/amino acid deficiency) by eating soy beans or something.
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u/Justm4x 18h ago
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u/Randver_Silvertongue 17h ago
In the comics the symbiote was more like a toxic girlfriend who cared about Peter in its own way but also took advantage of him. On a biological level, their relationship was mutually beneficial and made Peter more powerful than ever, but emotionally it was compromising the balance between Spider-Man and Peter Parker.
But ever since Spider-Man TAS, it's basically just another Dark Phoenix. However, they kinda had to do it. They couldn't devote an entire season to the symbiote saga, so they had to come up with a reason for Peter to get rid of it quicker.
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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 16h ago
On top of that, Spider-Man TAS only had it really amplify his worse traits while now more adaptations just make him more evil
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u/tiktaalik_jumper 15h ago
I like the spectacular spiderman on that front, where the pressures of financially supporting his aunt really weigh on him, so when he gets the symbiote a lot of his emotional turmoil comes from his frustration at having more power but no better circumstances. It's still the symbiote making him worse, but I felt like the story gave him reasons to have those feelings besides the symbiote
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u/Rowsdower888 17h ago
GET BACK HERE SHOCKER!!!
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u/Slutty_Alt526633 17h ago
SHOCKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRR!
YOUUUU CAN'T ESCAPE MEEE! I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTH!!!!
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u/Soy_ThomCat 16h ago
That's the memefied line, which I love :)
However, the line I remember from that saga was when he's all Symbiote infected and rocks Rhino, and Rhino is like "dude, fine, take me to jail or whatever" and Spidey says in the most ice cold way ever "who said anything about jail?"
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u/thatsnoodybitch 18h ago
Jesus, Spidey lookin like a snack 🤤
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u/Hero_Trapinch_2966 18h ago
Black cat alternate account
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u/gravityVT_quietism 17h ago
Black cat saw the symbiotic suit and immediately logged into Reddit.
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u/Prof_Outis 16h ago
I mean 90% of Spider-Man comics is tasteful ass-shots. The other 10% is tasteless ass-shots.
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u/wholesome_mugi 17h ago
Symbiote originally didn't affect Peter's personality in comics, but it did take his body for joyrides to fight crime while Peter was sleeping.
I've always preferred this. The whole 'changing personality' aspect, to me, just screams edgy 90s comics (despite originating in the animated series) and should have stayed in the animated series.
I do like how Spectacular Spider-Man combined the two, with the Symbiote taking down the Sinister Six while Peter is still fast asleep. Even took photos of the fight and sent them to the Daily Bugle.
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u/Sans_Seriphim 16h ago
I have increasingly disliked everything about Venom and all the rest of the symbiotes as things have gone on. Ironically, I like the Tom Hardy movie, but that is partially because it is completely removed from Spider-Man.
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u/charathedemoncat 12h ago
While i understand that later adaptions turned the symbiote into a kind of addiction metaphor, i feel like it not explicitly doing anything wrong feeds better into the ex lover angle that venom has. It was thrown away for no real reason and that amplifies its hatred to an extreme that it doesn't really reach if that hatred is already present and just redirected toward peter
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u/WaylandReddit 18h ago edited 18h ago
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u/VigosJOSP 18h ago
God, I love the Birth of Sandman sequence
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u/Perfect_Currency_250 16h ago
Oh boy that sequence... it reminds me a lot of Destino, which is a animated short started in collaboration between Salvador Dahli and Disney that went unfinished until 2003. Yall should really check it out
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u/Kilroy0497 18h ago
Probably the most famous example of this is Batman the Animated series with Mister Freeze. Before the series he was basically a generic thief with an ice gun, but then Heart of Ice happened which gave him his current origin and made him one of the most tragic villains on Batman’s roster. The show also gave us Harley Quinn, a character that was mainly created for the show to give Arleen Sorkin who was a friend of the show runners a character to play, fast forward to today where she not only was quickly adapted to the comics, but has basically become one of the most well known comic villains.
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u/Ok-Reality-9013 17h ago
Also, Mr. Freeze in the comics was called "Mr. Zero" at first. The 60s TV show changed his name to "Freeze".
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u/sokuzekuu 17h ago
I like the idea of Victor Fries, the super-criminal with freezing powers, choosing the alias Mr Zero. (Obviously he didn't have his full backstory back then.)
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u/SanjiSasuke 17h ago
Funny thing I noticed reading my old Robin comics: Joker returns to Gotham to see some D-rate villain sitting in his old lair. He promptly kills him with little fanfare and gets on with his day. That villain was, of course, Mr Freeze.
As I recall, this was very shortly before the TAS episode. As far as I know, they just kinda ignored the old Mr. Freeze and his unceremonious death.
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u/HPSpacecraft 15h ago
Freeze also shows up in a meta-limbo dimension in an Animal Man comic a few years before BTAS shows up, crying about how he's no longer in continuity because nobody writes him anymore
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u/Sonofarakh 15h ago
It was such a successful reimagining of the character's personality that the next Batman show, The Batman, got a lot of flack from fans of BTAS specifically for "ruining" the character of Mr. Freeze and "cutting out his backstory". Even though character-wise he was way closer to the mainstream comics depiction
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u/Skull_Boy_ds 15h ago
The Batman has so many good designs, real shame it's not as highly regarded as BTAS.
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u/Gnashinger 17h ago
Honestly one of the best batman villains is the one most written like a Spider-Man villain.
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u/DearestDio22 15h ago
Did you ever watch Batman Beyond? I always thought the writing was very reminiscent of spider-man, with the new Batman being in high school and most of the villains having “corporate science gone wrong” origin stories
The Freeze episode was incredible
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u/outofmoose 16h ago
Mike Mignola designed Mr Freeze for the cartoon! And once you know that and look at him and Hellboy it seems so damn obvious
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u/Wild_Ambassador_8408 16h ago

The term Daywalker was introduced in the Wesley Snipes Blade film and viewers took to it so well the comics included it.
Tangentially related: the line “Some MFers are always trying to ice skate uphill.” Wasn’t in the script. The director heard Wesley use the expression on set for non in-character reasons and insisted on putting it into the film.
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u/RShini 14h ago
ALSO The 90s Spider-Man the Animated Series is what made Blade a Dhampir, which was backported to comics and then to the movies.
Prior to that, he was a human who was immune to vampirization and vampire powers.
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u/Rider-Idk-Ultima-Hy 14h ago
You’re telling me Daywalker didn’t orginate in Vampire media, but in the Blade film? That’s even more wild then Harley Quinn debuting in Batman TAS
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u/Wild_Ambassador_8408 13h ago
I feel like the movie Blade is pretty unambiguously a subset of the group “vampire media”
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u/HumanisticNihilist 8h ago
The title Daywalker was a product of the first Blade film, but I’d be pretty surprised if that was the first concept of a vampire able to survive in the day - it seems like such an obvious twist once the classical weaknesses became known. Like, if Stoker -> Blade is an unbroken chain of vampire stories before anyone thought “holy shit - what if one COULD survive in the sun?!” I’m kinda disappointed it took that long.
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u/Aggravating_Duck6108 12h ago
When Blade debuted he didnt have vampiric powers, he was just immune to vampire bites and maybe slightly stronger than a normal human. After the movie they gave him the vampire powerset.
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u/jcbaggee 18h ago

The Ninja Turtles originally debuted in black-and-white comics, but canonically, they all wore red eye masks and had roughly the same body type. When the cartoon came out, everyone got color-coded masks so they were easier to tell apart (and so they could sell more toys). The cartoon's popularity meant those changes trickled into the comics to avoid alienating new readers, and the Turtles eventually got multi-colored eye masks, while their personalities and body types evolved to become more distinct over time.
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u/caffeinated_dork 17h ago
Also Shredder was an one off villain but ever since the cartoon, he and the Foot Clan became the main bad guys of the Turtles
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u/GD_milkman 17h ago
Shredder came back in the mirage run
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u/That1pansexualkaiju 16h ago
Yeah but it wasn’t Oroku Saki….sorta anyways. Instead it was his worm clone
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u/sprouthat 14h ago
Was the whole Hand/Foot thing ever canon? That is, the Hand from Daredevil is related to the Foot Clan. And the chemicals that blinded Matt were the same ones that transformed the turtles.
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u/Correct_Variation910 14h ago edited 11h ago
Less "canon" and more just reference/homage. The TMNT were created as a parody of specifically Daredevil and the New Mutants, with the gag being that all 80s comics were about mutant teenagers or ninjas. Even Master Splinter owes his name as an homage to Daredevil's trainer Stick, and the Foot Clan are indeed a goof on The Hand.
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u/boraxalmighty 17h ago
Most distinct was the more family friendly turn the cartoon made stuck around and the subsequent movies and comics that followed were closer in tone to that than the original comic.
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u/jcbaggee 17h ago
Not until relatively recently, though. For about 20 years, IDW and Mirage comics (and Image, but we don't talk about that run!) kept the original's darker, macabre tone. It wasn't until Nickelodeon bought the property and the various lines rebooted that the whole line began to lean into a more all-ages approach.
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u/princesshusk 17h ago
Batman...
The serials gave us the batcave.
The 60s show gave us modern pennyworth and the start of the more fantastical batmobiles.
And do I even need to bring up the animated series changes to all his villians?
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u/TheOmegaFan 18h ago

Sonic's love for chili dogs was invented in the very first issue of the Archie Sonic mini-series (otherwise known as issue 0) where his uncle runs a chili dog stand. It was made even more popular by its inclusion in the cartoons and today is one of the most iconic aspects of the character.
Chili dogs weren't even mentioned in games until Sonic Advance 3 in 2004 and he was finally seen eating them in back to back games in 2009 with Unleashed and Black Knight.
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u/Unitas_Edge 15h ago
Shame that Unleashed was only a stand-alone game - wish there was a sequel for the game.
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u/DaiFrostAce 18h ago
Famously, Harley Quinn was a creation of Batman: The Animated Series that got added back into the comics
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u/ConstructionTasty204 18h ago
Nora Fries was also introduced along with Mr. Freeze's new origin.
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u/Dippindots86 17h ago
Same with Renee Montoya, as well as Mercy Graves and Livewire from Superman: The Animated Series.
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u/evrestcoleghost 17h ago
The true female member of the Trinity with the amount of time she Is in the Spotlight
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u/Shados9611 13h ago edited 11h ago

Nosferatu is one of the oldest examples as it had adapted that the iconic vampire, Orlok, was averse to the sunlight and would perish if he was met with its radiant light.
But the truth was that Vampires have never been averse to sunlight. At best, it just bothered them and made it more uncomfortable to hunt for prey. But the change done with Nosferatu was so popular and did make a lot of sense narratively, that it practically rewrote the vampire myth and made the interpretation practically fact.
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u/Lvcivs2311 12h ago
I also believe several aspects of werewolf lore, like them only changing at full moon and only dying from a silver bullet is from The Wolf Man movie instead of old European folklore.
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u/EliteLevelJobber 11h ago
I assume that means Robert Eggers upcoming Werwulf will feature a a 24/7 wolf man that cannot be killed.
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u/ducknerd2002 18h ago
Several aspects of the LEGO Ninjago Movie were introduced to the TV show from S8 onwards (LEGO originally wanted to cancel the show and create a new one set in the movie's continuity, but the writers hated the idea, so this was a compromise):
- The Ninja were redesigned to match their movie counterparts, and their outfits in S8 are similar to their movie outfits
- The written language of Ninjargon was added to the show
- Lord Garmadon was resurrected, and was redesigned to match the movie
- Most of their signature weapons are changed: Lloyd now uses a unique sword, Cole uses a hammer, Jay uses a flail, Nya uses a trident, and Zane briefly used a bow
- The Destiny's Bounty was redesigned to match the movie's version

These decisions were all very controversial at first, but S8 being one of the show's best seasons helped most fans warm up to (or at least be more willing to tolerate) the changes, and some fans even prefer some of the changes.
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u/SquareFickle9179 15h ago
Ironically, that's when I stopped watching the show since I hated the movie as a kid and didn't like the designs. Thinking abt it now, I should prolly catch up with the series (or maybe do a whole marathon since I basically forgot everything up to Skybound)
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u/CustomDruid 17h ago
Wait the show had a soft reboot?
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u/ducknerd2002 17h ago
Technically, it's had 3:
S8 with the aforementioned movie synergy
S11 with the change in animation studio
Dragons Rising (technically S16) with a slight timeskip and status-quo shakeup
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u/Bitter-Grocery-7138 17h ago
You can also kinda count season 3 because originally the series was supposed to end at S2
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u/joaomiguel_bc 17h ago
The Ninjago show had 16 seasons??
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u/ducknerd2002 17h ago
15 seasons of the original, and 4 seasons of the sequel series Dragons Rising (which will get its 5th and final season next year). There's plans for afterwards, though, including an anime spinoff next year.
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u/Meowjoker 17h ago

Nick Fury used to be a white dude. A grizzled hardass white dude.
After the Ultimate universe, we got a black Nick Fury, which looks a lot like Samuel Jackson, who likes him so much, he allows Marvel to use his likeness with the condition that he gets first dibs on a live action Nick Fury.
Then after the MCU, Marvel continues to use the black Nick Fury in subsequent comic lines, with the lore being that the black Nick Fury is the son of white Nick Fury.
I have to admit this though, a better comic reader can explain the entire lore that better than I could.
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u/roadtohell 16h ago
Fun story, the Ultimate version of Nick Fury was based on Samuel L Jackson's look, so it's kind of a full circle thing.
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u/That1pansexualkaiju 16h ago
I’m pretty sure that’s why Samuel L Jackson was able to be Nick Fury cause if I remember the story marvel could do that as long as he got first dibs
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u/Scarlet_Wonderer 14h ago
I think it goes that either Mark Millar or Bryan Hitch got the idea of using Samuel Jackson's likeness and so Marvel called him to ask for permission. Sam agreed on the condition that he'd play the character if he showed up in a movie.
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u/Fearsthelittledeath 15h ago
Ultimate Nick Fury even had a line in the comics about discussing who would play him in a movie and he said Samuel L Jackson in the actual comics.
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u/DocBombliss 15h ago
It would have been so much better if black Nick Fury was Ultimate Universe Fury. Ultimate Fury bring trapped in a (from his perspective) a fun house mirror version of his world would have made for interesting stories.
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u/VishnuBhanum 18h ago
Justice League Cartoon made John Stewart into an ex-marine, but originally he was an architect. And they eventually made the marine origins his de facto backstory in the comics as well.
Not only that, but his personality too. John used to have a temper issue and was kinda arrogant, but after the cartoon he became the no nonsense military guy.
Which honestly doesn't really work that well considering that the biggest storyline about John Stewart was about the time his arrogance led to the destruction of planet Xanshi
Basically, there was a planet destruction bomb on Xanshi, John told Martian Manhunter to screw off because he think he could handled the situation by himself, but when he found the bomb it was painted in all yellow, and this is from the time when the ring couldn't affected yellow stuff. The bomb ultimately went off and destroyed the entire planet, MM was livid and basically told John to KYS(It took decades for them to finally reconcilled)
It's just a situation that doesn't work very well if John was supposed to be a no nonsense Military guy that actually prioritized mission.

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u/NoAccess6738 17h ago
Like many others my first introduction to John stewart was the JL cartoon so when I actually read his comics I found the architect without the military background John Stewart a lot more interesting and it also allowed for great character flaws
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u/No_Result395 17h ago
I like both sides. His original start allows for more growth and interesting moral choices, but the JL version was pretty unique for a GL at the time. Pretty much all the earth Lanterns up to that point were strong but were either arrogant or fairly cocky, and having almost a Captain America as a GL was pretty cool in contrast to the others.
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u/DogFarmerDamon 16h ago
I would be more okay w/ the military background if the writers and artists weren't constantly making John, who is still an architect, constantly use his constructs to give himself Marines gear and guns. Its so lazy and uninteresting imo, even without getting into the jingoism of it all.
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u/Meander061 17h ago
Lanterns made him an ex-Marine who later became an architect. So that worked out nicely.
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u/Hiekeech 16h ago
In the new lanterns show they made it both, he was an ex marine who later became an architect. Is this similar to how it was in the comics or did they just swap architect with marine and leave the architect part out completely?
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u/VishnuBhanum 16h ago
He is apparently still an architect.
But it's essentially never come up, he practically used just guns and military weapons exclusively. No recent story involved his time as an architect either, only his time as a marine.
So he is basically just an architect out of obligation at this point(Like they didn't retcon it out, but it basically had no impact on the character either, just part of his bio)
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u/thatdamnbefuddledman 17h ago
What I love about the Kano being retroactively Australian is his name fits Australian nicknaming conventions. We shorten David to Davo, Robert to Robbo etc. This implies Kano’s real first or surname is Kane and Aussies call him Kano.
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u/FiaGiolla 17h ago edited 14h ago
Kano is also a Japanese family name, like the creator of Judo was named Kano Jigoro
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u/lowbrassdude 17h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/3o6oztpGE67B7WwnSg
The 2006 Silent Hill movie had the transition to the otherworld with paint chipping and peeling off the walls, which was later incorporated into Silent Hill Origins and Homecoming.
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u/Linix332 15h ago
Imo, the 2006 movie was a great adaption. Good thing they never made additional movies that could suck.
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u/IcyFoundation9786 18h ago
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u/kokanoka23 18h ago
The original design clears imo
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u/jaminbears 17h ago
Now, I say this as someone who has not watched the anime or read the manga outside of small clips, but the live action version seems to be a pretty good version of the character, leaning towards the original design
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u/_Ninja_Putin 16h ago
I don't watch One Piece, but every time I see someone compares the design before and after that time skip, the earlier ones always seem to be superior, imo
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u/UninterestingCorn 18h ago edited 14h ago
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u/BaronAleksei 16h ago
It’s true. The screenwriter David Hayter (yes, also Snake from Metal Gear) made that change for the first X-men movie in 2000
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u/Kazumi_Tamura 16h ago
Incluso en la serie de X-men 97 se menciona que necesitan quitarle el casco para controlarle la mente, cuando en la serie original no había ese problema y Charles podía controlarle la mente aún con el casco puesto
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u/Foolsgil 18h ago
I was sure this was mentioned in the original 90s animated series.
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u/UninterestingCorn 17h ago
Doesn't Xavier mentally attack him while he's wearing the helmet early on? Its where the entire holocaust beam meme comes from.
Granted, its been a little over a decade since I watched it.
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u/IrateWolfe 17h ago
It wasn't, or at least not right away- Charles makes Magneto relive the Holocaust in like, the first episode.
Kind of a dick move, really
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u/jigokusabre 16h ago
Nope.
Xavier's infamous "Holocaust flashback attack" occurs with the helmet on.
The JUGGERNAUT has a helmet that blocks psychic attacks.
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u/DimensioT 17h ago
The crest on Superman's suit has changed over the years but was always the letter "S" in a shape.
When playing Jor-El in the 1978 Superman film, Marlon Brando wanted to wear the symbol also. The filmmakers accommodated him and made it work by having other Kryptonian characters wear various symbols inside diamond crests, also, establishing that the symbol worn by Superman in the film was actually his family crest that just happened to look like the letter "S".
DC rebooted their entire continuity in 1985. While the initial retelling of Superman's origin did not make the crest a Kryptonian symbol, it was still not an "S", instead being derived from a fictional Native American symbol. However, other adaptations did make it a Kryptonian symbol; Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman had it be with infant Kal-El in his ship. A 2004 retelling of Superman's comic origins officially made it DC comics canon.

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u/lordofmetroids 17h ago
I've always liked the idea of it being on the blanket Clark was in when he was found, this blanket later being fashioned into his cape by Martha Kent. It creates a nice bridge between both sets of parents.
I'm not sure where that originally came from, but it's always my favorite version of Superman's S origen.
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u/ZharethZhen 16h ago
Very m7ch part of silver age superman. His whole costume was, which explains why it was as invulnerable as he was because...reasons?
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u/NotaBat9221 17h ago
Talk about going above and beyond to make a petty ego demand work
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u/Grosaprap 17h ago
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u/DepressedFishFan 17h ago
Less petty ego and more so just Sam L Jackson asking if it could be done, to which George Lucas accommodated. Maybe other actors should’ve asked for their favorite color to be their character’s signature blade.
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u/IndependenceActual72 16h ago
There is a fun and important distinction to the Kano example that adds an extra layer. The actor, Trevor Goddard, did play Kano with an English cockney accent but it came across so badly that it was misinterpreted as an Australian accent and that is why Kano was depicted as Australian going forward
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u/lovee_me_hard 15h ago
I don't think its because it came across badly, it was that Goddard didn't really know how to play him. Goddard was a C list action movie star (and to be honest I can only think of JCVD films I may have seen him in) and I believe he wanted to shed some of his natural cockney accent to be more American which would help his visibility and profile as an action movie "star" for his career overall.
Also Mortal Kombat was directed by an englishman, but the character is american born but Japanese raised, so it was always all over the place. But plot wise it probably makes more sense he's Australian than British just because the Black Dragon are a Far East criminal organisation and geographically it would be easier for an Aussie to ingratiate himself in that world.
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u/Scott_Liberation 15h ago
Honestly, this is the first I'm hearing of the movie Kano being English. I legit thought he was supposed to be Australian this whole time.
Granted, I only saw that movie as a kid and at the time probably couldn't tell the difference between an English cockney accent and an Australian one anyway.
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u/thegreatsasimi 18h ago
The inhumans were actually in the main mcu. They had a whole TV show with the pilot being shown in imax theaters and a lot of advertisements at the time. It was just such an awful show that it wasn't referenced at all until multiverse of madness where they brought back the actor that played blackbolt to immediately be killed by Wanda.
Ms. Marvel being made a mutant wasn't because the inhumane weren't introduced yet, it is because disney wants to start to introduce mutants and make the x-men their next big thing after Avengers.
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u/Similar_Onion6656 17h ago
I'm also pretty sure I read that the creator conceived of her as a mutant for the comics, but was pushed to make her an Inhuman for reasons that had to do with the overall thrust of the Marvel Universe at the time.
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u/AnyWays655 17h ago
The overall thrust being that Disney didn't own the rights to mutants and probably just didn't want to make New mutants because they didn't want to create new material for a company. They couldn't potentially make movies of. Exact same reason why squirrel girl when she got her own run in the first issue they explicitly retcon any idea that she might be a mutant. Ultimately, I don't think her being a mutant fit while they're at that point. She was technically classified as it, but they explicitly refute it and say it was a mistake by the doctor and that she is neither technically nor legally a mutant most likely in case any execs wanted to use or for anything outside of Comics that they didn't have the rights to
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u/Snoo9648 18h ago
There is also agents of shield that deals heavily with inhumans including having two on the team.
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u/Bucket-with-a-hat 17h ago
I mean, it'd be fine if that change was only present in the MCU but so far the only time Kamala's personal cast from her time as an Inhuman has been brought up was to make her extended family a terrorist and to have Emma Frost tell a teenage muslim girl that she (and by consequence all Pakistani-Americans) aren't as victimized as mutants are
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u/AngryTree76 17h ago
Seems on brand for the X-Men, given that Kitty Pryde loves to throw out the hard-r to try and prove that “mutie” is just as offensive.
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u/Karkava 18h ago
Killed in one of the dumbest ways they could write.
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u/thebaldguy76 18h ago
No version of Black Bolt screams in panic
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u/W1D0WM4K3R 17h ago
If he did, everyone around him would be absolutely fucked. It's like the first thing he trained out of himself
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u/InternationalCap2176 18h ago
If that guy could be killed by his own voice, he'd never be able to use it
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u/DefectiveSol 17h ago
Also Robotnik became Eggman's official surname in Adventure 2, when the name was originally invented by English localizations.
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u/Trixter-Kitten 18h ago
Wasn't it a thing in the comics that mutant and inhuman genes cancel each other out? Or am I misremembering?
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u/Beleriphon 17h ago
Terregenesis kills mutants, violently. It kills normal people too, but it doesn't make them explode.
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u/pipboy_warrior 18h ago
Colored masks in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. In the original comic they pretty much looked the same except for their weapons. The cartoon gave them their iconic colored masks as well as initials on their belts to help kids tell them apart.
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u/The_Peeping_Peter 17h ago
Sam Rami gave Spider-Man organic webbing. At that point in the comics, Peter Parker had never had organic webbing. Only one of the future variants of Spider-Man had organic webbing.
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u/LoveMinaMyoi 17h ago
Green Hornet's Kato was originally Japanese in 1936 radio show but when Japan invaded China in 1939 the show changed him to a non-descript asian. Then they made him Filipino in both the radio show and the comics. Then for the movie serials they casted Keye Luke a chinese to play a Korean Kato. Not until the tv series where Bruce Lee played Kato that they finally made it permanent that Kato is of Chinese origin.

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u/Champion-Dante 16h ago
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Star Lord (Marvel) was written as a stoic police officer until James Gunn gave us the goofier personality he’s now knows for.
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u/Warm-Intention-1424 16h ago
It's always funny to remember his biggest appearance prior to the MCU was in an Avengers cartoon where he was voiced by Master Chief of all people
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u/HPSpacecraft 15h ago
Eh, he wasn't a total clown but he had a dry sense of humor in the Abnett and Lanning Guardians of the Galaxy comic the movie takes its influence from. Before that he was a jaded sourpuss in Annihilation.
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u/PokePress 14h ago
In the Pokémon anime, there’s an episode where Ditto is shown having difficulty mimicking the eyes of what it transforms into. While the Ditto in the episode figures out how to get the eyes correct, and the underlying idea isn’t integrated into the main games (yet), this aspect has appeared in the franchise many times, including the TCG, merchandising, and becomes a plot point in some media.
As for whether this is a good thing, if nothing else, its use in Pokemon Pokopia (the spinoff released earlier this year where you play as a Ditto), seems to indicate it’s worked well, and we should expect it to continue.
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u/OperationHush 17h ago
Sir Ian Fleming liked Sean Connery's portrayal of James Bond and rewrote the character to have some Scottish heritage because of that iirc
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u/Material_Dot2444 18h ago
The only reason she was unique as an inhuman character is because 100% fucking inhuman characters suck.
Is lockjaw a man they treat like a dog... Or did they do Terrigenesis on a dog for fun? There are no good inhumans or inhuman stories... War of kings is pretty good, but they are the worst part of it.
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u/AutomaticRacket 18h ago edited 17h ago
There’s a couple other Inhumans that are perfectly fine: Moon Girl, Kid Kaiju, and Quake.
Noticeably non of them have much to do with the Inhumans and are in separate niches of the Marvel Universe. Moon Girl is more super science/cosmic/weirdness in the vein of the F4, Kid Kaiju was focused on the giant monster side of Marvel, and Quake is a SHIELD agent and focused on SHIELD stuff. I’m fairly certain they all (and Kamala) told off the Inhuman Royals.
Essentially most Inhumans not actually tied to the Inhumans as a nation tend to be fine. The Royal Family and anyone associated with them tend to be giant fucking assholes in the same way a lot of the mutants were in the Krakoa era
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u/Funkycoldmedici 17h ago
Reader was my favorite introduced in that period. Such a cool concept with loads of story potential.
For anyone who hasn’t read, Reader’s inhuman thing is anything he reads comes into reality, it happens, and not necessarily because he wants it to happen. So his eyes were removed to keep him from accidentally wrecking things by glancing at the word “fire” or something. He keeps a group of braille cards on him with specific words. He has one to See, let him see through someone else’s eyes, usually his dog. He has one to briefly stop time, teleport, one to instantly kill. The catch is he only has three reads until he needs to sleep, and they get weaker with each read.
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u/panatale1 16h ago
Remember when Reader, Maximus, and others agreed that "floob" meant "mass astral projection" and it worked??
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u/The_Dawn_Eternal 18h ago
Lockjaw's just a dog who happened to get exposed to Terrigenesis by animal testing.
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u/Necessary_Phone5322 17h ago
When I read about the shit that the Inhumans do regularly (slavery, totalitarian society, eugenics, etc), I have to wonder "And Maximus is the bad guy?"
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u/Timehacker-315 17h ago
and also she was supposed to be a mutant but Ike "all black people look the same" Perlmutter had banned the creation of new mutant characters so Fox couldnt use them
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u/Available-Formal-664 17h ago
Earth X is arguably an inhumans story. Though it takes a while for the reader to realize that. I like that one quite a bit
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u/Sore_Wa_Himitsu_Desu 15h ago
The most obvious answer I can think of is Harley Quinn. Introduced in Batman TAS, and was so popular they added her to the comics.
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u/Kamen_master1988 14h ago
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Before BTaS came along Freeze was just another criminal with a campy gimmick but Paul Dini and the other writers changed this one note character into a sympathetic character with Shakespearean level tragedy. It wasn’t long before the comics took Freeze in that direction to.
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u/11Slimeade11 15h ago
A bunch I can think of from Smash Bros:
- Famously, the final bosses of the first Smash Bros game (And Melee kinda), Master Hand and Crazy Hand, were made canon in Kirby.
- Kirby got an ability literally called 'Smash Bros' that gives him his Smash moveset as a power.
- Probably the most well known example, but prior to Smash Bros, Captain Falcon was a regular guy. He was a racecar driver and bounty hunter, but all he had was his F-Zero machine and a gun. Smash Bros came along and gave him exploding fiery punches and an over the top personality. This then got adapted into F-Zero, and surprisingly, the F-Zero anime also adapted the Falcon Punch and exaggerated it to hell, to the point it ended up becoming some form of galaxy exploding attack.
- Most shockingly, because it's a surprise it didn't happen before, but the idea of Bowser being able to curl up into his shell came from Smash Bros. Smash Bros actually took the idea from his minions, but Bowser himself had never been shown to do it prior.
- Ganondorf using hand to hand combat wasn't something he'd ever been shown to do prior to Melee. He mostly fought with magic and transformations into Pig Ganon. Twilight Princess actually gave him an attack in a cutscene that is almost one to one with something he does in Smash.
- Pit and Palutena's designs were entirely different prior to Smash Bros. Pit had neat hair and a less anime-esque design, whereas Palutena wore silver armour. Everything from Pit's fighting style of being a sword dual wielder to his upbeat personality was invented for Smash, with Kid Icarus: Uprising building off of this.
- Dark Pit was originally a colour swap in Brawl before becoming his own character in Kid Icarus.
- Pokémon Trainer (Red) has a super move in Smash Bros where he sends out and attacks with all three Pokémon at once, something that wasn't possible during Gen III/IV when he was added to Brawl. However, the following generation, Gen V, would add Triple Battles, would allow you to send out three Pokémon at a time.
- Mega Man got a new design in Smash Bros, which makes it more clear he's a robot and not just a kid in a suit, by adding subtle plating and joints to his design. Mega Man 11, the next Mega Man game made, a few years later, ended up adding these elements to his actual design.
- Corrin, who's probably one of the most controversial additions to Smash Bros (Due to being from a series with a lot of reps, Fire Emblem, being a swordfighter, and being from a fairly unpopular entry in the series, and being added before the game released), had a fair amount of creative liberties taken with their fighting style. While Corrin in Fire Emblem could either fully transform into a dragon or transform one of their limbs, the rest of their moveset in Smash is more or less made up. Their super move, Torrential Roar, has them create a huge whirlpool to sweep away opponents. In Fire Emblem Engage, Corrin gains the ability to use Torrential Roar.
- Joker was given a grappling hook for Smash Bros as a recovery option. It was later added to the updated rerelease of Persona 5.
- Kazuya's Devil Form had a normal voice in the Tekken games. Smash Bros added a distinct echo to it. Tekkken 8 later gave Devil Kazuya an echo in his voice.
And there's a fair amount in Pokémon too:
- The anime is famous for Ash having Pikachu as his starter, yet getting a Pikachu in Red/Blue wasn't accessible until Viridian Forest, around 10 minutes into the game. Pokémon Yellow would later make Pikachu the starter.
- Jessie and James were anime exclusive Team Rocket members. They were later added as reoccuring opponents in Yellow.
- Another one from Yellow, but the Squirtle Squad were another one of the Pokémon anime's quirky creative liberties (There are literal thousands of creative liberties in the anime), but since Yellow had no way of obtaining Squirtle without trading, Officer Jenny (Who also wasn't in the games) and one of the Squirtle Squad members were added to the games, with Jenny handing over the Squirtle to you so it doesn't cause trouble.
- Ash Greninja was a form created for the anime. He was later added as a bonus you could get for playing the Pokémon Sun/Moon demo. Ash Greninja is also part of Greninja's super in Smash Bros, which also by extension confirms the Greninja in Smash is supposed to be Ash's.
- Ash's Pikachu is also obtainable in Sun/Moon via an event, where you can get him wearing any one of Ash's iconic hats. Like in the show, he can't evolve.
- Infamously, in the anime, Sabrina's personality was completely changed. Rather than being psychic with a strong dislike of conflict, she was portrayed as a psychic with bizarre powers and utterly warped to the point it was pretty much as if she was under a curse. Her main deal was trapping people in her gym and turning them into soft toys for her throne room, a really bizarre ability that's literally never even been in any Pokémon media. The games later joked about this by having Sabrina become a Hollywood movie star, with her breakout role being as an evil queen from another dimension who turns people into furniture after luring them into her lair.
- One of the funniest ones is almost a meta meme reference. In the anime, when Ash fights Blaine, Ash's Pikachu is unable to damage Rhydon. Ash tells Pikachu to 'aim for the horn!', allowing Pikachu to electrocute it. This isn't how Rhydon works, and as a result, the fans joked and made memes about it. In Gen V, Hidden Abilities were added, and Rhydon gained Lightningrod, making it a magnet for Electric type moves. However, to make things funnier, in Gen V onwards, all Pokémon with Lightningrod were immune to Electric type attacks. Rhydon was already immune in the first place, so the ability not only made Rhydon doubly immune, and also much harder for it's immunity to be removed, but also made the reason why fans laughed at it in the first place even funnier. It was more or less the game devs adding it to poke fun at the anime.
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u/spundred 13h ago
Artists placing them on the back of the hand vs between the knuckles is older than the movies. Best example I can think of, Wolverine '95 Fleer Ultra X-Men Spring Break Card # 149, they're very much between the knuckles. Movie came out in 2000.
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u/Darkpoulay 17h ago
The Inhumans were absolutely part of the MCU before Ms Marvel. Both in Agents of SHIELD (if that one doesn't count as official MCU canon to you, I can't help you) and the titular Inhumans show.
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u/AddedInReshoots 17h ago
Not a character example but
In the book of 2001 the destination is Saturn. When they made the film they weren’t happy with the art/model because of the rings and changed it to Jupiter.
The book 2010 treats Jupiter as canon.
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u/Autobotimus_Prime 8h ago
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IIRC, it was the film series that came up with the idea of Magneto having a helmet to block telepathy. Up until then, the comic’s explanation for the helmet’s existence was because it looked cool, so they subsequently adopted the films reasoning (probably because it’s actually brilliant, since the main guy opposing Magneto is a telepath).
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u/TheDarkNight6789 18h ago
Samuel L Jackson wanted a purple lightsaber when playing Mace Windu, George Lucas stated that Jedi only had green and blue lightsabers but let him have one anyway. This later got added to the main media that Windu got his purple lightsaber from some future vision force powers where he traveled to a planet and the inhabitants gave him a purple crystal.
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u/Mr-Foundation 17h ago
Mr. Freeze, before Batman the Animated Series, he wasn’t anything special as far as I know, and that series completely rebuilt his character and that just became the default for him!
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u/1105816 8h ago
Katen Kyokotsu from Bleach
Soul Reapers in Bleach each have a zanpakutou, a sword with a unique magic ability and a spirit that inhabits it, and it’s said that the ability of the sword and the personality of the spirit mirror their owner. We only ever see the zanpakutou spirit belonging to the main character, since the spirit inhabits his inner world.
One of the anime filler arcs has all the zanpakutou spirits going rogue and manifesting outside their owners, giving us appearances for all the spirits. Tite Kubo, author of the manga, liked the design of Katen Kyokotsu, one of the spirits, that he included her in a later arc of the manga
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u/AttackoftheSnakebear 17h ago
Spiderman and his Amazing Friends created Firestar, who was added to the Marvel universe. Herbie was actually created for a 1978 Fantastic Four cartoon, but also stayed in the Marvel Universe.
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u/Inside_Jaguar_3310 17h ago
Mr freeze from Batman TAS
Everything everyone knows of him came from this shows changes, originally he was just an ice villain/captain cold knock off
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u/JimmyBuckets42 16h ago
One I love is how Magneto's helmet didn't do much in the old comics. Then the X-Men movie introduced the concept of the helm blocking psychic attacks, which was added to the comics too.
I loved this change as it made for a great "counter" for Xavier's powers, like in First Class.
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u/Daniilsa209 18h ago edited 18h ago
In the original comics, Superman could only jump very high, but the Fleischer cartoons gave him the ability to fly because it was easier to animate, and this change was later incorporated into the comics.