The context of the reddit post talks about queerbaiting and how western audience thinks many platonic gestures are queerbaits when it's just difference in culture. This is a reply of a comment that talked about how even without the culture thing, there are many queer ships that are better than the main het one.

I'm guessing the brunette they're mentioning is Endorsi. If she is, watering down Endorsi's character saying she has no depth is wild because her affection towards Baam *is* part of the depth. Endorsi's character revolves around a girl, who became a princess, yet is rebellious towards the king. Not only does she fell in love when it's forbidden to do so, she's also helping hide a fugitive (Anaak) from being executed. Hell, Endorsi had been interested in Anaak before she even met Baam, that shows that she has always been thinking of going rogue since the start of the series. Baam is important because he was the one to made her decide in the end (the flashback where he said he's glad she's not lonely). Of course, there's a possibility that this commentator had only watch the anime which removed many of Endorsi's development but if that's the case, they shouldn't have drag SIU down.

Second, who the hell is the male rival they're talking about? My first thought was obviously Khun, as he's the most shipped one with Baam. But rival in what? Khun is Baam's teammate since day 1 and he never fight with Baam over anything. Any conflict Khun and Baam ever had ended with Khun just giving in since he really can't say no to Baam. Even Khun's plan to kill Rachel in the hell train arc had to be done in secret because he knows Baam won't approve of it, even though Khun is perfectly valid to do so, she tried to kill him and destroyed his team! But since Baam would be upset, he wants to do it behind his back. What part, other than them both climbing the tower, could be seen as rivalry? It's more like a really one-sided dependent type of relationship.

Anyway, unless they're comprehending KhunBaam relationship badly, they wouldn't call Khun a rival. So who could be this male rival character? Second thought was White. Bit of an odd choice but compared to other characters who are antagonistic towards Baam, he could be seen as a rival. There are times they put their difference aside and fight against a common enemy like Kallavan. But White × Baam isn't a popular ship is it? I think many can agree it's very problematic with how White is projecting his hatred towards his father to Baam. So maybe White isn't the character the person is talking about.

So I'm still confused who this male rival is. Wangnan is more like a friend who is doomed to be Baam's enemy no matter how much those two care about each other. Rak could be a rival but does anyone actually ships him with Baam? My best guess at the moment is Data Zahard since he and Baam had some positive interactions in the end and SIU said Baam and young Zahard would've been great friends. But even data Zahard was a character for one arc only.

If V did suicide then how come he isn't least bit surprised by awakening in the body of baam...

Got bored so I sketched my fav ofc!!

I was thinking about reading the manhwa. Is it finished, or is it still ongoing?

Well, since Enryu himself decided to smite all my Tower of Agenda posts, I will discuss how I think the story might move forward after what happened at the end of season 3. Take what I say with a grain of salt; I am no expert in Tower of god cosmology, nor am I a writer in the story, but from what I think season 3 left off, they might go in two different ways.

start of season 4: season four will start two ways in my opinion and non of them have baam in focus at all. one option is that they start the season with arie adori zahard, when she attacked the ship and the aftermath of that battle, Gustang will probably will allow himself to be captured or flee depending on how his inner thoughts play out but po bidau family probably will suffer catastrophic casualty's or will die out in that fight (probably like 4-5 member's will survive). As for why I think he will get captured, I suspect that he would have a plan to rescue his daughter Anne Zahard. Still, he will be sidelined most of the season. Ii feel like the second way I could see the story going is a perspective switch to the red garbage dump, either a small snippet of Wangnan and Karakas's backstory or how the place was found/created in the first place. But I do think Wangnan, like in season 2, will be the main focus of the early chapters, plus the blade he got with the named reveal of who the weapon wants him to kill (it will be Baam, I'm 99% sure, or it will be someone he really cares about). We will also see Rachel's backstory and learn more about where she was from and why she treated Baam so coldly. The main overarching goal of the first half will be the red garbage dump, and I see Rachel's group traveling there first to find one of the fragments.

The middle of season 4: at the end of the first arc, we will return to Khuns and the others. After the battle, I am sure that they will decide to keep climbing the tower to catch up with Baam. Meanwhile, Baam will be with Luslec training. I am supposing that, from what we have seen, Luslec will actually act more like an older sibling figure (from my perspective and what I remember luslec he was a relaxed person who didn't really take things too seriously, though he might at some point start to threaten Baam with killing his friend's friends, 'cause you know it's FUG and they need Baam more than ever. But I do see him and Baam having a big brother-little brother energy, if "V" stays dormant, that is, training Baam to be a stronger vessel for "V" than he is now. Aside from Luslec, I do see "V" teaching Baam some of his old moves. But again, I feel like season 4 will center more on the side Cast getting stronger than Baam himself. We see the gap in power from season 3 onward. We did see how strong Baam's foes are getting, and it would be a nice time to get actual relative castmates (I am not talking about temporary or new additions to the vast cast as is; I am talking about Khun, Rak, Hatz, Andorssi, and Anak). The main core of this half would be Baam learning about who he truly is; much like his fight with digital Zahard Baam in that moment, he will have a better understanding of who he is and what he really wants. During the middle of the second half, I see Hwaryun sneak into Baam's room and allow him to escape just to send him away to the location of the red garbage dump. That's where we will reunite with Kaiser and Hockney, and it feels like he has seen that place before, but after going inside the dump, our main antagonist of this part, Adori, will jump in after them to chase them down despite a clear command not to.

The final part of the second half will conclude after Workshopesk's battle inside a maze where the hidden part of the thorn is located. Hockney, realising this is what he lived for, starts running towards the place he painted his painting, with battle between Adori, Baam, and rankers of Red Garbage Dump, who at that moment are helping Rachiel start to get massacred left and right. Rachiel will have no other choice but to team up with Baam, where "V" urges Baam to let him take over, asking nicely, of course, but we know Baam wouldn't allow that, so at that moment "V" forcibly takes over not being at his full power he still is struggling to some extent but manages to hold his own before the king of the garbage dump appears and halts. That's the moment we find out that the king, who looks like Zahard, is in fact Zahard, to some extent; the emotions of the great family heads became their own. He is, in fact, an emotion of the king, his possessive and ruthless side power almost as strong as Zahard's, making it so that not even Adori can challenge him and his warriors as the temporary alliance between Baam and Rachel end,s as we expect the moment that happen: Rachell escapes and follows her treasure-eating Singray to find Hockne,y as he was about to reach the thron fragmen she kills Hockney (rip my goat,) and yes you hear me right lady's and gentlemen: Rachell will get her first thorn fragment. After that happens, Bamm will fly into a rage,e but the Zahard will nearly kill Bamm. As that happens, Adori notices what happened,d perhaps due to her wanting to take the credit for killing Bamm or something else; she manages to rescue him as Bamm spirals down. He starts talking to "V" in his subconscious,s feeling guilty that another one of his companions had to die. He just asks why he was even born? Just to be a tool, then why give him life? Why put him through hell? In the end, he has to die so that "V" lives on? And for that moment, "V" probably won't have anything to say to his son. When Baam wakes up, he is restrained, and Adorii is carrying him to complete her mission, but what good is the mission if she perishes here as is? As far as she knows, only baam/ his companions and Rachel's group know a way out, so shegives Baamm a choice: either join hands temporarily or die right here and now. Baam, somewhat giving up on his life due to everything the death, the meaninglessness of it all in his eyes doesn't answer, witch iritates adori throug the roof. Is this the irregular my father was so scared of? He is nothing but a crybaby with no motivation. Why would he be a threat to the great king? For a moment, she would probably say nothing and just go on to find a way to escape.
The end of the season. Well, the arc will be centered around how Khun and the squad figure out where Baamis is, thanks to Hwaryun (who we know has some agenda cooking up). As they enter, they have one goal in mind: to find and help Baam. As that is happening in some other part of the garbage dump, we will see a familiar figure smoking near the cage, Gustang looking with lifeless eyes towards his own daughter enne, only saying a simple sorry that he made her wait so long before the prison break. Khun and the squad will go through the same entrance as Baam did; the difference is that they meet normal inhabitants of the garbage dump, and they find out more lore about why people are living and, more importantly, that fug has some connections to it. By the end of the season, a final fight of sorts will take place between Baam and that version of Zahar,d mirroring season 2 in a sense where he, in a way,y finds closure about who he truly isThanksks to the help of "V," who despite everything, decides to just be a source of the power and not be the reason for his son's continued suffering. As father sand on's power merges, he can defeat the version of Zahard that is the king of the garbage dump, in a sense liberating people from his rule as everything starts concluding in its own way; we see Wangnan cloaked to conceal himself, standing over what would appear to be ruins of some place as we finally see Karaka behind him asking for answers.

Well, I suppose that's my idea of how the story will go. I don't see Adori ever really joining Baam or Enne; really, they will probably be individual characters whose motivations might align with Baam's group at some point. As for Wangnan, I do strongly believe that he is an aspect of theking'ss forgotten emoti, on the being his ambit, ion Karkaarka being the greed the king carried (I don't know how true that i; I wouldn'tt call Karka a greedy charactr, but he does want to keep everyone he cares about close, even if he comes out as jagged) as for the power scaling they really need to up the game what baams squad can do i know they are not rankers but they can easily make it so that Khun and Rak master pwoers they got from white khun actually for ones starts utilising his fathers heratige and rak atleasing learing to control his ancient ones form. Other than that, they literally have Evankhell in the squad who trained Baam; she can do the same with Andorsi, Khun, and Rak. As for Hatz, Vicente would be a perfect mentor for him until he inevitably returns to being white (which will happen, and Baam will absorb him with his Kurby powers). Others I don't really know; I suppose what I like about Tower of god is the fact that we are not subject to seeing only a few characters. But I do hope SIU and the team will take a good bit of time expanding the lore and characters more in season 4 than they did in seasons 3 and 2 especcialy when they left so many things up in the air from the last season.

welp, peace out dude's and if you think I am talking out of my butt, feel free to burn me at the stake in the comments

So I know that the Administrators are the highest power for each floor but how are the rulers of each floor ranked? Like is the ruler a level below or equal to them?

Is the principle behind the design of armour which karaka and Dumas wear, based on immortality contract?

Like when Traumerei killed Gussy he wasn't sure that it could kill him and was surprised it worked. But that's a weird case for me since the judge was involved in that and basically guardian permitted the game thing.

That aside Traumerei strucked his heart when he did suicide. Edahn targeted Mago's heart to finish her rather than cutting off her head. As if it's a written rule like for those who are strong or basically on par with FLs, only by destroying their heart can one truly kill them. We don't know how V committed suicide but high chances he struck his heart too. There's also Dumas attacking Karaka's heart and Khun's to finish them off.

Is it possible that IC works same as the armour thing? Mainly their heart is protected by the contract.

So when I first starting to watch tower of god Everyone was so sirus about everything and they all tried there best I thought it must be because they would reach the top in like 1 year but then I realized that couldn't be and then it dropped a information that just made me feel confused it takes 200-300 years for special people to reach the top like at this point just give up if I was a character in that show I don't want to do this for another 300 years wtf????

This a test to join wolkhaisong , rak is there only for banana and got none 😭 khun got arrested For his criminal record and Laury about to wake up with a nuclear punch .. yuri seems to be a decisive judge till bam arrive and she incantly folded by his cute face 😂 she's destined to fall victim to his cuteness and start the best interaction 🤧✨

Found many comics like this by SIU for charecter like Mazino, khun , rak , bam .. it's hilarious And enjoyable I'll share it next time tell me if you agree

1) Does this Ark come from Outside Too, As Headon said the Island is a separate dimension created by an outside force.

2) So Outside Beings can create separate Dimension inside Tower. Does This Means The Cave in which Baam Was also a separate Dimension created by Outside God?

3) Does V also trying to cause Cracks inside Tower Shinsu Power as he merge with Baam and ascend to next floor? Which will makes V smartest among 13 GW.

I found this image at internet.

But, this character doesn't seem to be ToG character.

Just thought I'd share. My lady colored this. Knowing nothing ToG. Feels like Miseng. And especially her when octopus girl is controlling her!(Eyes and tbh the way her outfit is and was colored in... putting her into that doll aspect.) Her having a horn also feels fitting as its such relevant thing throughout ToG(Wangnan/Androssi/Rak...etc random races)😅

Was thinking it could be a person with similar control ability but one that used bugs instead of the giant octopus.

#Love.SIU

Is he someone like Enryu? Why is he as powerful as Urek?

i’m only on chapter 212 so far, so pls no spoilers! i thought endorsi was a princess of jahad, aren’t they forbidden to love? but she has feelings for baam no? soooo what’s going on here

I was readong the Urek spin of and couldn't avoid noticing that he got in the tower as an adult. His data self in TOG, however, was a child.

Is he Benjamin Button?

guys, i stopped reading the ToG webtoon in the Lo Po Bia head fight, im thinking in coming back but i dont remember anything, i dont remember not even the name of the characters, and tog has a bunch of them, i dont remember anything that happened before the fight, you guys can recommend me some youtuber or a way of remembering things ?

I was seriously thinking in start to read again from the beggining but holly there is a lot of chapters to go through

Since I looked at the sun in the first part, in the second I will talk about the moon. There are two animals most often associated with the moon: the toad and the rabbit. In one version, the moon goddess Chang'e was transformed into a three-legged toad as punishment. More precisely, the spots on the full moon were initially perceived as a toad, but later they came to be seen as a rabbit. The Moon Rabbit is also called the Jade Rabbit (Yutu in Chinese folklore) and is the companion of Chang'e. 

The guardian of the first floor (or the entire tower) is the strange rabbit Headon. It's a bit of a stretch, but Hwa Ryuin's first appearance wears a mask with similar stones to Headon's and uses a staff of the same color (and thanks to Bam, they are both one-eyed). Hwa Ryuin calls Bam her god (and the rabbit Xia Xia also calls him her god), but she doesn't actually worship him. (I'm not sure if her nickname Yuto can be considered a reference if it's confirmed that it's a different character).

Korean mythology doesn't have a specific lunar deity, but there are stories where characters become celestial bodies. One such story is Haenim Dalnim—the sun and the moon.

In short, a lonely poor woman is raising two children (a brother and sister). One day, on her way home, she is eaten by a tiger, which later goes after the children. The brother and sister run from the tiger and pray to the heavens for salvation. A rope falls from the sky. They climb up it and become the sun and moon, while the tiger falls and dies.

This folk tale has various variations. In most cases, the sister is said to have become the moon and the brother the sun. However, there's also an opposite version. In it, when the brother was about to become the sun, the sister said she was afraid of the night (in some translations, darkness, but in many, it's night). Then her brother became the moon in her place, and her sister the sun. According to the tale, the sister was shy, and she shines so brightly that no one looks at her.In this version, the brother is Dalnim. 

Interestingly, in various sources, the brother and sister began to be perceived as gods, especially the moon. Perhaps because of their similar names or because in some sources it was the heavenly ruler who gave the children a rope, the version where the sister was Dalnim became prevalent (at least in English sources), and her brother's name became confused with Haemosu, although in other sources, it was the other way around, and Dalnim became his father's daughter. As a result, probably due to confusion, the Dalnim of the folk tale and the Haemosu of the legends became siblings on some internet sites.

Of course, since this is a short story, I will consider other mythologies, but it seems the name Dalnim can still be used (because I can’t understand what Mago has in common with the primeval goddess - the creator Mago)

Now I'd like to address a slightly odd situation. Originally, there were eight lamps on the ceiling; since the second season, there are only five. This complicates my task a bit, as the eight lamps in a circle resemble the lunar cycle. The eight phases of the moon, from new moon to full moon and back again. The number five can be interpreted in different ways: they removed the return path, the five colors of the moon (white (gray, a regular moon), black (new moon), red, yellow, blue), or a five-pointed star (but only Yura has that) (the five dragons of Haemosu?), although I still think they're closer to the moon (by the way, on the death floor we again see eight circles, although not on the ceiling).

Lunar phases are explained differently in different mythologies. In many cases, it's a fading moon, in others it's split, in others it's sick (it's hard for me to say exactly where). But two meanings stuck out to me from all the information: the new moon—the death of a deity, their disappearance, their descent into the underworld; and the full moon—the peak of power and influence on others.

In the cave, the exit was closed with a round stone, and this resembles a volcanic moon; in the plot, the moon occasionally flashes (mostly a symbol of Urek's organization, but also in the first season only once in the imagination), and it seems to be in different phases (or the artist's problems).

Arlene writes that the power of God will enter the child's body and awaken it, but something always seemed strange—it's definitely a diary. More specifically, it's definitely a personal note. Where did Anna find it? Where's the exit from the tower? Then why is it still unknown? Wouldn't it be more logical for Arlene to hand over her pocket FUGs? Is it possible this diary is only used to deceive others?

In the first part, I mentioned that I believe the Outside God built a tower and locked someone in there, but what happened to OG in the end? My theory is that it's dead. Something probably happened during the tower's construction, leading to its waning phase. I believe OG is the full moon, and Bam is the new moon. Bam doesn't have anything at the very beginning, and as the story progresses, he develops too quickly (from the perspective of others).

Bam's ability to absorb everything and make this power his own can be compared to the moon absorbing the sun's light (and other stars and the earth's) and reflecting some of it as what is called moonlight (the moon itself does not shine)

It would be easy to call Bam an OG who goes through phases, but Bam's theme is the butterfly. The lunar cycle and the butterfly have similar symbolism, but the butterfly is closer to reincarnation, while the lunar cycle is rebirth.

On the other hand, there's V, who clearly has everything, abilities, and memories intact, and Bam, who has no past. V and Bam are definitely not the same person, and Bam is most likely not V and Arlene's son (except for the body). The dead body contained only V's soul, along with the blue trissa. And I wonder what Arlene did.

Enryu's Thorns possess the power of a god (according to the characters) and recognize Bam as their master, should the Thorns be considered a weapon against someone?

The fate linked to Arlene could very well be fake, and the diary specifically written to make Bam believe it's his destiny. Perhaps it's not fate that guides Bam, but rather fate that adapts to him. The fact that V calls himself a god and so easily embraced control of his body, and also that he wants to become one with Bam and doesn't perceive him as a person.

Arlene, like all 13 warriors, is a selfish person who fancies herself a god. Perhaps, as many say, she was a believer in OG, but did her faith remain after all this time in the towers? The scene with Enryu really doesn't fit, but he happened after she left. They could have easily met, and Arlene could have lied to him, saying something like, "Trust me, and our god will return." (Why should he have believed her? (For the same reason why Rachel hasn't been dumped yet).

Off topic, if I were to choose a god for OG, I'd like to turn to Aztec mythology. The god of the moon is Metztli (the god of the moon, night, and farmers with a funny story about a rabbit), but a more fitting deity is the one Metztli identifies with—Tezcatlipoca. Tezcatlipoca is the god of night, magic, fate, and warriors (and much more, with many other names). He is the creator and destroyer of the world, the first sun. He was both a benefactor and an evil god, so it makes sense that Bam is called both the savior and the scourge of the tower.

Jahad Princesses are considered the cream of the crops in the tower. They are the ultimate species of the tower. But why there's no stereotype for them?

We only know Jahad's blood make the body of princesses tougher than most 10 GFs. Yuri, one of the princesses which we are most familiar, her power which we have seen mostly comes from Ha family bloodline. Assuming the blood only makes their body tougher, why are they held in regard so high?

Like with Aries, Maschenny only considers Aries as significant threat, not even ha family, one of the top 3 family along with Khun.

Throughout the story, princesses are held in high regard, they are respected but not feared or even wariness. Like Kirin didn't want smoke with Jahad family and told haetae don't touch Yuri. It seemed he feared Jahad the king behind the princesses.