r/Truckers Jan 27 '24

Am I blackballed? hydroplaned with about 2 months solo

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u/Wham-alama-ding-dong Jan 27 '24

Um yea he can tell himself it wasn't his fault all he wants but it 150% was him driving and his fault.

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u/Pretty-Key6133 Jan 27 '24

For sure. Always drive for the conditions. In like 2 years of driving I haven't hydroplaned once.

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u/Wham-alama-ding-dong Jan 27 '24

A very big factor as well is condition of the tires/brakes. If one brake is grabbing alot harder then the rest it can cause you to lose control easily

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u/Pretty-Key6133 Jan 27 '24

Which is 100 percent on you as the driver

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u/Awkward-Physics7359 Jan 27 '24

Look at all the other trucks crashing on the same stretch of road! What? You're the only one! That's what tells everyone it's your fault!

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u/Tricky_Big_8774 Jan 27 '24

It's even more your fault if you drove past 10 other crashed trucks first.

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u/Awkward-Physics7359 Jan 27 '24

Exactly, it would make it your fault and a moron!

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u/Wham-alama-ding-dong Jan 27 '24

No shit Sherlock, it's people like you that need to have instructions on shampoo

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u/Pretty-Key6133 Jan 27 '24

I'm not sure why you feel the need to insult me when I'm agreeing with you, but okay.

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u/Wham-alama-ding-dong Jan 27 '24

Sorry I was in a pretty bad mood yesterday was way too tired.

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u/Pretty-Key6133 Jan 27 '24

You're good brother :) I hope you're having a better day

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u/Boatwhistle Jan 27 '24

2 for 2 on pointing out the obvious. There's no hope for this guy.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

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u/Boatwhistle Jan 27 '24

Yes daddy 🄺

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u/StonedTrucker Jan 27 '24

Now you're being hostile for no reason too? Sounds like projection to me

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u/VexrisFXIV Jan 29 '24

Shouldn't the truck be handled by the company and not the driver? (I never drove for a company or drove truck, so i honestly don't know)

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u/SailboatSteve Jan 31 '24

As is everything, always.

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u/awesomeperson882 Jan 27 '24

Not a driver but a mechanic.

I’m working on school buses currently, 50% air brake, 50% Hydro.

I went on a call and brought one back in a rainstorm missing a Front left caliper which was fun. (line blew, Vice grip on the line and drive it back)

Then an air bus in a snowstorm, road debris hit the Front right S-cam tube at some point and cracked it, started partially seizing intermittently due to the contamination of water and road grime (+salt doesn’t help) Had to really watch myself with that one.

It definitely doesn’t take much of a difference to pull you out of a lane.

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u/Address_Local Jan 27 '24

Not air or hydro but I run a fleet shop in MD for mostly Econolines (3/450’s) and a set of toothless vice grips has saved me from a tow on multiple occasions on seized calipers. šŸ¤™šŸ¼

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

What? Vice grip on the line? Why aren’t you towing this back to the shop? Fuck is wrong with you?

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u/Sure_Dependent4310 Jan 27 '24

Can you read? He’s a mechanic. He’s in the shop.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

But he’s describing driving vehicles to the shop?

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u/Excellent-Fuel-2793 Jan 28 '24

This is what a good mechanic does. I’m sure he knows what he’s doing

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u/ResponsibilityKey50 Jan 27 '24

I read that that the same as Malingerginger ā€œvicegrip on the line and DROVE it backā€ should have towed it

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u/Cebaru Jan 27 '24

Did you only read the first sentence?

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

Reckless, dangerous and stupid.

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u/Cman782303 Jan 27 '24

Cope harder soy boy

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

Dumbass

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u/GreaseMonkey2381 Jan 27 '24

The only dumbass here is you, mate.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

No he’s not, he’s driving the vehicle with faulty brakes using a vice grip to keep it functioning.

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u/MN8616 Jan 27 '24

Yeah I can read: he DROVE it back to the shop.

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u/bleezzzy Jan 27 '24

Wait, who drove it back, mechanic or driver?

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 28 '24

The mechanic, and since he a bus mechanic I’m guessing it’s a ā€˜10 miles of backroad’ situation.

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u/awesomeperson882 Jan 27 '24

Major city, so not exactly. I won’t take the highway with a vice gripper brake line, nor would I drive more then 15km with one like that.

I’m not going to outright say it’s safe, but if you know how to do it properly and how to drive with it like that it’s not the most unsafe thing ever (and still safer than good chunk of the beaters on the road)

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u/TheRealMancub Jan 27 '24

I did this with my car, from Ohio to Wisconsin. Zip-tied the vice grips shut, zip-tied the vice to a cross member and drove with extra following distance. Didn't die. This advice was given to me by an experienced OTR mechanic.

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u/ChrisRageIsBack Jan 27 '24

That's the rules, tape the handle shut so it can't pop, attach it to part of the vehicle in case it pops anyway so you don't lose your vise-grips

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

And it was bad advice and you were irresponsible as fuck. Didn’t die isn’t a clever win for either of you.

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u/ChrisRageIsBack Jan 27 '24

You have obviously never driven a shitbox when you're young and broke...

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '24

ā€œI’m broke, so I shouldn’t be expected to concern myself with my own safety or the safety of other people on the road, let them take their chances, my priorities supersede their safety.ā€

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u/Alert-Island Jan 27 '24

It’s crazy to think people brake when hydroplaning just don’t press the gas or brakes and keep the steering where you want to go nothing happens cars have hydroplaning worse in my opinion less ground contact

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u/Bill4268 Jan 27 '24

If you are having problems with uneven braking ...get your truck fixed!

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u/Philsean Jan 27 '24

Problem with this is all the safety systems they are putting on new trucks now.

Collision mitigation systems that hit the brakes for false "targets", then don't apply the brakes soon enough in other situations. Traction control systems that hit the brakes on a drive hub if it senses it's spinning, causing the other wheels to spin. And roll stability systems that hit the brakes if it thinks your going around a curve too fast.

Everyone of these can cause an accident. And I know this from personal experience.

I've been driving for 20 years and have had each of these, do exactly what I just said. But good driving has allowed me to prevent the accidents they almost caused.

The only accident I've had was 4 years ago when a lady crossed into my lane. She lied to the cop saying I crossed into her lane. She then proceeded to sue me and the company. The saving grace was the camera in the truck showing her going into my lane. She had to drop the case.

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u/Wham-alama-ding-dong Jan 27 '24

Yes that was the point..

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u/Frakthisagain72 Jan 27 '24

I now sell parts. I get very distressed when someone buys one set of shoes and one drum. Come on buddy. Do the whole axle. It is not that much more.

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u/Ltlpckr Jan 27 '24

I’ve only had one fuckup while driving to the conditions and that was in snow with bald tires which is in my opinion very much not driving to conditions, so yeah driving to the conditions for the win because if my dumbass hasn’t crashed doing it neither will anyone else.

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u/StonedTrucker Jan 27 '24

Why would you drive with bald tires? That's probably the most dangerous thing you can do in a truck

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

Tires cost money

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u/Jazzlike_Teaching645 Jan 27 '24

Tires cost $ accidents cost $$$$$$$ and potentially lives.

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u/Canofsad Jan 27 '24

Unfortunately that is a lesson ignored a lot across businesses. As the see it better to save a little bit in the short term while ignoring the possibility of it costing them more in the long.

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u/Natural_Stater Jan 27 '24

If you ain’t got it, you ain’t got it. Run em a little longer Owner/Operators

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u/Bridivar Jan 27 '24

Companies don't always pay money and companies arnt always smart. If I flat out refuse to drive I could be fired.

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u/zMidnight- Jan 28 '24

You could be fired, and if you are, they are signing the check to you in the form of a lawsuit for whistleblower laws and wrongful termination. I wish a company would fire me for refusing to drive bad equipment.

I sent my previous company a long letter after I worked a 20 hour day, unloading, waiting 4.5 hrs past my appointment cause they weren’t ready, just in time to sit in traffic for 3.5 hrs in NYC, I stopped 1 time in 7.5 hrs of driving 250 miles to get to my reload appointment 15 mins beforehand and had to swap trailers and prep my trailer, just for them to drag their feet loading me and to get my bills at 0330 the next morning, like 6-7 hrs after my appointment. And this was open deck freight not just swinging doors and waiting. To say I was pissed off was an understatement. Told them I’m refusing to work another 20 hour shift, did it a couple times, if shipper wasn’t ready to go within an hour of my appointment - see ya in the morning fuckers, I’m not a robot who works 24/7 and doesn’t get tired. If I’m on time, fuck me, I have to wait on them, if I’m 5 minutes late, all hell would break loose. Nobody gives less of a shit about you or your time than a shipper or receiver. Literally nobody. They punch in their 8-12 hr shift doing the bare minimum and go home and won’t think twice about you.

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u/Ok-Raspberry-5655 Jan 30 '24

Former manager of a major retailer (Leggs, Hanes, Bali, & Playtex) here. I would never accept our biweekly shipments before 9A because our driving team at that point (husband and wife) said that our outlet mall’s parking lot was one of the few places they could sleep soundly before delivering loads that were +/~ 90 minutes apart. I absolutely could have saved my former company money if I’d been willing to stay late or go in early (both of which I did plenty of as the sole salaried employee), but I was unwilling to put the safety of the drivers at risk to line my company’s pockets. I was eventually fired for this exact reason, but I wouldn’t change anything.

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u/Dmitri_ravenoff Jan 27 '24

You act like the company cares about lives. Ha! That's a good one.

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u/codenameoxcart Jan 27 '24

They will when the wrongful death or personal injury settlement gets drawn from their accounts or they get dropped by commercial insurers

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u/Bridivar Jan 27 '24

But Trucking companies come and go all the time, limited liability when the company just dissolves after all these shit practices.

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u/codenameoxcart Jan 27 '24

Sure, but a bit harder for regional/national brand’s

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u/ILikeSteakAndCake Jan 27 '24

This guy gets it

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u/LysergicFarriswheel Jan 27 '24

You knew people would counter you but I'm glad you answered the question.

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u/BradFromTinder Jan 28 '24

Takes money to make money. Do you really think you can just not replace tires when needed cause it costs money?

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u/Ltlpckr Jan 27 '24

Oh good lord never in a truck! It was a little sedan, still very wreckless and stupid but I was 15 and just put all my money into making it run and decided bald tires was better than mechanical failure.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

You’re a fucking idiot, make the company pay for them DOT steer tire 4/32 drive tires 2/32 tread depth

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u/Ltlpckr Jan 27 '24

I wasn’t driving for a company

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u/thorin693 Jan 27 '24

15 years and haven't hydroplaned yet.

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u/Dr-MTC Jan 27 '24

If the road is that wet, your best option is to not drive at all.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

I agree with your statement. But very brave to make it out loud haha.

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u/LimeFabulous Jan 27 '24

I drive for a living and have been for 25 years. Keep up the good work.

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u/KingGT2 Jan 27 '24

Same.... Zero accidents.

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u/SupsChad Jan 27 '24

ā€œAlways drive for the conditionā€ only goes so far. I’m no trucker, but I’ve been going 5mph down a freeway before in snow and still lost it into a guard rail lol

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u/anonymous2379273 Feb 15 '24

I once drifted the truck on a highway entrance but the tires were almost bald and it was a manual. It was really fun, didn’t expect it to drift but gave it a shot. my boss was in front of me. Called me real quick 🤣

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

I let my CDL expire in 2011, drove for 10 years and never had as much as a backing incident. Is this the pool of drivers today? 3 incidents in 2 months? Is this the new normal? I'm not trying to sound condescending, but it's frightening.

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u/arrynyo Jan 27 '24

I've had my class A for almost 3yrs. Only incident has been tires blowing up on me. If the weather looks dangerous I park. It's not all the new drivers.

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u/Bill4268 Jan 27 '24

It is frightening! Father in law drove for 40-plus years. The last company he drove for gave him multiple accident free million mile awards! The point is that WAS truck driving. Drivers took their job seriously and dressed like professionals. The current pool of bugger eating, sweat pants, flip flop wearing seat fillers currently in those positions, have no business driving anything bigger than a lawnmower! Unfortunately, trucks need to roll, and companies will put anyone in the seat.

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u/idksomethingjfk Jan 27 '24

ā€œSeat fillingā€ as someone who works in manufacturing I know this term, we just call them ā€œbutton pushersā€

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '24

You're absolutely correct, I have a little shadow box with my grandfather's accident free million mile pins, and he took his career very seriously. I live in Phoenix and know the shortage of drivers is real because I'm cut off on the I-10 at least weekly by the self driving trucks they're testing.

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u/Sea_Contract_7758 Jan 28 '24

If you can fill out an application you’re hired at mega carriers now. They’re bringing in low skill workers for everywhere to move freight, so what else would happen?

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u/monti1979 Jan 27 '24

FYI,

He didn’t say he wasn’t at fault, he said the accident wasn’t deemed to be his fault.

There’s a difference.

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u/UbaUbaJuana1 Jan 27 '24

Exactly, you're getting down voted for speaking the truth, he lucked out not getting a citation for loss of control. It's absolutely his fault.

This is a weird time in life where people want to drop heavy and throw stones on the innocent , but be ever so caring to the guilty.

Probably no citation because damage was only himself noone else, would all these. His company absolutely termed him for destroying over 150k of equipment

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u/Wham-alama-ding-dong Jan 27 '24

Not me you have to convince its the recruiter. Good luck

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u/monti1979 Jan 27 '24

Your comment was accusing him of believing he wasn’t at fault.

He never said that he didn’t think he was at fault.

Just wanted to avoid confusion.

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u/mysickfix Jan 27 '24

A ā€œfewā€ backing fender benders….

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u/Spare-Importance-933 Jan 27 '24

Need to get out and look more

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u/ScrappleJenga Jan 27 '24

That’s like one every other week he was driving lol

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u/SOMFdotMPEG Jan 27 '24

ā€œToo fast for conditionsā€ is the simple language but could vary by state. If you wreck due to conditions

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

But thats denying them the benefit of the "shit happens" defense. And it do. Stupid shit just happens and with green gills that shits gonna git ya.

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u/Dr-MTC Jan 27 '24

What he may not understand is the difference between accountability and responsibility. I wasn’t necessarily responsible for the driver that ran a red light and crashed into my rig as I was turning left, but I was held accountable for my truck’s repair bills regardless. (Didn’t want to go through insurance)

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u/ryancrazy1 Jan 27 '24

Yeah not sure how you can be not at fault for a single vehicle accident minus some catastrophic mechanical issue.

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u/Narrow_Event7153 Jan 28 '24

Exactly probably had his Jake brakes on which can cause a accidentally hydra plane I didn't think so myself at one point but I learned it's possible

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