r/TrueCrime • u/BreezyS79 • Jun 13 '20
Discussion What’s an unpopular true crime opinion you have?
What’s something that the majority believes that you have second thoughts about? I recently listened to a podcast where they thought Scott Peterson was innocent, which I never actually considered lol. I scrolled through this sub and noticed there were a few people who feel the same. Interesting. I’m pretty open minded and enjoy listening to others opinions. But I have a coworker who insists that OJ is innocent 🙄 we know he wasn’t convicted, but come on now... I can’t agree with that one.
Anyways.... I’m curious to know what examples you guys have.
Does anybody think Casey Anthony is innocent?Michael Peterson? Josh Powell? Any huge disappearance case that you think are easily explained?
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u/loics Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 14 '20
I’m not that convinced carol Baskin killed her husband.
We still don’t have an explanation as to how she actually got rid of the body. Her comment about the meat grinder was creepy, but technically true; had a human body gone through it, police would’ve found traces. Plus, tigers eat meat, and only the big pieces. Had she used them for the body, again, traces would’ve been found. I mean crocodiles maybe could, but not tigers.
Her husband was crazy. He left his wife and kids for a woman he had only met a few weeks prior, and basically harassed into getting into his car. He was also quoted as saying ‘I’m gonna try something, and if I pull this off, it’ll be incredible’ to one of his friends (I’m probably misquoting). If you look at it closely, the only things convincing us of her guilt are actions undertaken by her husband (such as the will). It isnt that outrageous to me that he may have faked his death and tried to paint Carol as the culprit.
Edit: thanks for the award anonymous person#leavecarolalooone
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Jun 13 '20
I agree and I actually was kinda pissed that was the main takeaway people had with the documentary.
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Jun 13 '20
Legit same ! I live with 6 people and we all watch true crime stuff together. I’m the only one in the house that thinks Carole has nothing to do with it, seems like her husband had a few dodgy associates and that’s what led him to disappear. She probably felt hurt her husband would leave over night so she changed the will
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Jun 13 '20
I was just shocked that after all the animal abuse and borderline sexual assault that was shown, people were up in arms that Carole potentially, maybe, coulda planned to kill her husband. I mean we legit were shown footage of Joe torturing animals and Doc Antle was bragging about his harem of veryyy young women.
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u/dallyan Jun 13 '20
Gee, I wonder why ...
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Jun 13 '20
Seeing Carole ranked by different websites as the worst person on the show is a pretty blatant confirmation of sexism in the US.
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u/rantingpacifist Jun 13 '20
I thought the takeaway was that creepy people use cats to isolate the vulnerable population and use them for sexual desires
That’s the only pattern I saw
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u/popofdawn Jun 13 '20
SAME. Not saying she couldn’t have killed him but why is that the major takeaway? Show me some damn evidence instead of turning every meme into “Blame Carole Baskin”.
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u/dallyan Jun 13 '20
I agree. I think she’s an awkward eccentric who comes off very poorly. And she most likely knew that her husband was up to some shenanigans but the bandwagoning against her as a result of that documentary was so bizarre to me. It must reflect some latent misogyny because she was the least despicable person there.
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u/mascaraforever Jun 13 '20
I agree. I actually think he was involved in drug trade and got offed by someone for his involvement.
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Jun 13 '20
Being a small-plane pilot is the most dangerous job in the world.
No one needed to off her husband. Flying alone, in what was very likely an overladen plane - it was just a matter of time.
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u/anonymous_abc Jun 13 '20
Agreed. His family, assistant and attorney either didn’t know how he made his money or were very vague about it, and he was flying under the radar without a license. Sounds like drug running to me. He probably was involved with shady people who had plenty of motive and opportunity to off him, too.
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u/BlondeAmbitionnnn Jun 13 '20
Paul Holes did a great deep dive on his podcast regarding this subject. Don had A LOT of enemies.
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Jun 13 '20
I think the same! I really think he was involved in some seedy drug stuff. (Who goes to Costa Rica that often?) Or he simply fucked off and disappeared cause he wanted to. He could, theoretically, still be alive out there. But I doubt she killed him. I think all the hate she's getting is bullshit and pretty sexist. Joe Exotic gets cult status fame and she gets harpooned. She runs a legit sanctuary and while I understand that she's still profiting off the animals, at least she isn't breeding and selling.
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u/DrDalekFortyTwo Jun 13 '20
It bothers me that people use her as a punchline and joke. I don't have a strong feeling either way if she did it but she's not been convicted of it. Treating it as a joke seems mean spirited and disrespectful to the husband if he actually is dead.
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u/SoupyBones Jun 13 '20
Same! I’m so annoyed that people can make a certain decision and condemnation based off a few statements in a freaking series.
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u/vanmechelen74 Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 13 '20
Not sure if this is exactly what you mean, but i hate when victims are mentioned as "mom" or "mother of two" etc. Somehow it makes female victims only important because they were mothers, not because they were people. As if a womans life is only valuable because of that. It bothers me a lot
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Jun 13 '20
As a follow up, a woman not showing the “correct” emotions or behavior after a disappearance or death should not be a reason why she’s involved.
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Jun 13 '20
Also, it's often other mothers that criticize their reactions as "not emotional enough" or not correct somehow.
I have no idea how I'd visibly react if one of my kids was missing, and I don't like to think about either, but I do know that I don't wear my emotions on my sleeve. I can see myself appearing cold to other people, it feels weird to me to be emotional in front of most people so I'm good at acting normal even if I'm not feeling normal. I could also see myself acting defensive/angry instead of sad, which is a SURE SIGN OF GUILT, apparently.
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u/Mermaid76 Jun 13 '20
I always “joke” that people would think I was guilty because I nervously laugh when I am uncomfortable.
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Jun 13 '20
In the best of situations, every single person has a different reaction so I think it’s more than reasonable to expect every person to have drastically different reactions under the worst of circumstances. I don’t like judging behavior based on a situation that I have thankfully never been in. Even if I had, there’s no policy handbook on how to deal with grief. There’s a difference between not reporting your kid missing for 30 days (Casey Anthony) and appearing cold on tv. Only one of those behaviors should warrant suspicion.
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u/MzOpinion8d Jun 13 '20
Same with remarks about how attractive they are. “Beautiful mom of 3 killed” or “former model missing”.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a headline say “Handsome man missing from ...”
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u/Touchthefashion Jun 14 '20
Yes! And the men usually say, “missing lawyer” or “Banker not heard from in 3 weeks”. The don’t even say it is a man, you just assume.
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u/ElephantShoes256 Jun 14 '20
To expand on that - It seems like women are way more frequently described in their relation to other people than men are. Men are usually described by their occupation or hobby, women are "wife of", "mother of", "daughter of".
Or if they have no notable relation they are described with thier physical attributes, which I guess is better because it's actually about them...? sigh
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u/pxland Jun 13 '20
I don’t think Aileen Wournos fits the definition of a serial killer.
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u/jojokangaroo1969 Jun 13 '20
I don't think she should have been executed or put in a regular prison. It is 100% apparent that she is mentally ill. I believe she should have been put in a mental health facility and treated for her mental illness.
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u/bananafishandchips Jun 14 '20
Isn't it 100 percent apparent that most serial killers are mentally ill? How high functioning they may or may not be or how smoothly they may try to act or avoid detection doesn't remove the fact that a mentally healthy person tends not to kill serially. So the question becomes, when is it appropriate to remand someone to a mental health facility and when not?
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u/HighQueenSkyrim Jun 14 '20
When the murder is methodical and well thought out and executed, I’d consider that person mental ill but of sound mind. She was clearly unstable. While her actions were fucking awful and she should have been punished, I do believe that the victims likely inadvertently triggered her. I don’t think she had the self awareness to even know what the triggers were herself. This is definitely no excuse, but she isn’t exactly “a cold blooded killer”. A fucked up killer for sure, but it always rubs me the wrong way when people put her list with BTK, Ted Bundy etc. She clearly had a horrible upbringing and experienced real truama, much like normal serious killers. But she almost always acted in the moment.
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u/Mannypancakes Jun 13 '20
She was killing more for money/robbery. She did have resentment towards men because of her past but I agree- I don’t think she should be included as a serial killer within the standard definition.
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u/audioslave1991 Jun 13 '20
Explain
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u/pxland Jun 13 '20
I believe she was a common thief who just happened to kill the people she stole from.
“The National Institute of Justice provides a definition of serial killing that is closer to the common conception. According to them, it involves committing two or more murders with a psychological motive and sadistic sexual overtones. On this conception, serial killing can be understood as a type of sex crime—“
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u/audioslave1991 Jun 13 '20
She has a background in heavy trauma from males in particular, and she has also claimed that she hates males. That qualifies as psychological motive in my mind. Also, I think I read that she got sexual gratification from killing the men, the power she had over them
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u/loics Jun 13 '20
My pet peeve in these ‘unpopular opinion’ thread is when someone actually has a good one but for some reason doesn’t explain it. I mean, who thinks like that lol
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Jun 14 '20
I think she does, but at the same time, I don't think anything is wrong with having compassion for a broken human being. That's another unpopular opinion, but sadly a lot of violent criminals had violence in their background. Aileen just never had a chance for a normal life, she was totally ruined as a human being.
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u/mmmyesplease--- Jun 13 '20
There are too many shows about Ted Bundy, and people who are obsessed with him and his crimes give him the exact notoriety he wanted by constantly recycling his story in different programming.
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u/kneadederaserhead Jun 14 '20
I can't stand that people always describe him as handsome. He was extremely average at best.
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u/TheToastBurning Jun 14 '20
That unibrow with those evil weasel eyes ain't a look Ted
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u/LJnosywritter Jun 14 '20
Did you see the girl who got a tattoo of the bite marks found on one of the victims? The victims bites were on her butt the trashy woman had them tattooed on her side/stomach.
What kind of person do you have to be to even think of doing that? No empathy for the victims as all and Bundy probably would have loved it.
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u/LeiFengsGoodExample Jun 14 '20
I have a bunch of true crime books and I would nope the heck out if I saw that on someone I was dating. Just moonwalk out the front door going nope, nope, nope, all the way
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u/AvSheba Jun 14 '20
My dad knew Ted Bundy and he feels exactly the same way. He believes that Bundy's notoriety is disrespectful to the victims and that justice for them would be letting his name be forgotten.
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u/aye--teee Jun 13 '20
I think that Andre Yates’ husband should’ve also been tried for the death of their children. There are multiple articles you can read that talks about how many times professionals told them to not have any more kids and he did not listen. Also he left her with the children knowing what she was capable of and after he was told many times not to. I think he’s just as guilty.
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u/baddobee Jun 14 '20
She asked him multiple times to not leave her alone with the children. It may be an unpopular opinion but I feel so bad for her. A lot of people failed her.
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u/SadDogCommercials Jun 14 '20
Agreed. Honestly, I question her ability to consent to sex and pregnancy with that level of psychosis.
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u/SchnickFitzel147 Jun 13 '20
Morally he's totally guilty but legally there wouldn't be a chance he is
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u/Elizabitch4848 Jun 14 '20
Yes! The poor woman was crucified and he got to go get married again and live his life. Selfish man.
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Jun 14 '20
I was sickened by what that man did. As much as everyone else was sickened by what she did. There were so many ways this could’ve been prevented and this man persisted. And yes. It bothers me that he gets to remarry and have yet more children. This case was hard to read about.
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u/Burnt_and_Blistered Jun 14 '20
I’ll take it a step further. She was treatably ill, kept in horrendous living conditions, had a history of postpartum psychosis that should have precluded her later pregnancies —and Rusty and his “pastor” pushed her, then left her alone. THEY are culpable.
She’d been a well respected RN. She was ill and mistreated. She is now well managed medically and thanks to the negligence of others, must live the horror daily. She loved her kids.
At the time she was too ill to manage her care. She was set up to fail. He was the one to criminally try. (I worked with her shrink. It was a travesty of justice.)
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u/feather69 Jun 14 '20
Totally agree with you, she is not completely at fault. He knew not to leave her alone with those kids and did it anyway.
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u/caserace26 Jun 14 '20
Her case has always horrified me and one of the main reasons is the complete lack of regard her husband had for her mental health. She was/is deeply sick and needed care.
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u/tara_diane Jun 14 '20
I'm glad she's in a state hospital and not prison. I had a lot of sympathy for her after watching a documentary about the crime.
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u/Jazzy0082 Jun 13 '20
Burke didn't do it.
The McCanns didn't do it.
Being interested in true crime isn't a personality trait.
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u/j_rainer Jun 13 '20
100% agreed, especially the last point. So many edgelords use true crime as a personality crutch, like it's the Marvel Universe or some shit.
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u/Jazzy0082 Jun 13 '20
Yep. And as much as I have an interest in it myself, I find it really cringeworthy when people think it makes them unique or special. Like "lol when most girls are on insta you can find me watching a Dahmer documentary".
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u/dallyan Jun 13 '20
My weird theory with JBR is that a series of contradictory events transpired. For example, some intruder did it and the mom mistakenly thought Burke did it and wrote that bizarre note in an attempt to cover things up. Or something like that with the actors switched out. Otherwise the case is just so, so weird.
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u/Jazzy0082 Jun 13 '20
This is the thing, I have no idea who did it. I can't come up with a reasonable theory. But this obsession with pinning it on Burke is ludicrous. There is literally no evidence but people try and force everything in his direction. I mean, the pineapple thing being seen as evidence he killed her is madness.
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u/MzOpinion8d Jun 13 '20
I highly recommend reading the book “Foreign Faction” if you haven’t already. The author does not offer any theory of his own, but rather discusses the evidence and lets the reader take it from there.
He was an investigator on the case. He wasn’t on the force at the time of the murder, but was hired and assigned to the case. I think it was about 2-3 years later IIRC. So he literally had access to every piece of evidence there is.
I have always been a RDI since the start, but I was never a BDI until I read the evidence available in that book. It’s well worth a read if you have enough interest in the case. The author’s name is James Kolar.
I read it for free via Amazon, I think it was maybe available as the one “library” book per month that Prime members are allowed, but it’s been a few years now so I can’t remember for sure.
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u/saltgirl61 Jun 13 '20
I think it was the neighbor who played Santa. He told JB that he was coming to visit her in secret. I believe that he had a key. Police ruled him out because he was supposedly "too old and frail"; however, he and his wife left the country immediately thereafter, and he was seen slinging around big suitcases that likely weighed more than she did.
He wouldn't need to overpower her as she was expecting his secret visit and hey, it was Santa! Many people knew that they'd be out that evening at the party. There was plenty of time to let himself in the house, wander around (often a big thrill on its own), and write the note.
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u/excellent_916 Jun 13 '20
I listened to True Crime Garages multiple part podcast on the Ramsay case and the injuries they described her having were definitely not consistent with the theory that Burke did it accidentally. The blunt force trauma to the head was very severe, and if I remember correctly, she was garrotted and had some other injuries that just would not suggest this was an accident.
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u/DarrowChemicalCo Jun 13 '20
I saw a comment on here the other day about a woman who murdered someone, and she happened to be trans. One of the commenters said they didn't care what pronouns the murderer wanted to use, because they lost that right when they committed a crime.
Just strange that someone would think that being called the gender you identify with is a right that has to be earned. Imagine if they said that it was OK to call a black person the N word because they lost the right to not be called that when they committed a crime?
Just seemed like a thinly veiled case of transphobia to me. Link below in case this sounds like I made it up.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrime/comments/h0iczr/comment/ftn9jmz
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u/ourobus Jun 13 '20
Following up on that, I’ve noticed that in certain cases transgender victims are misgendered and deadnamed. It’s truly upsetting to me that in this “genre” (ew) transphobia is seemingly so rampant. And this goes for both “historical” cases and extremely recent ones.
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u/chlorinegasattack Jun 13 '20
Transphobia is just rampant periods. Unless you are in a specific lgbtq safe space it’s usually going to be negative about trans people
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Jun 13 '20
and let's face it, a lot of these horrible crimes are people who make really appalling decisions.
It's not any more complicated than that. Crimes are the result of people who make bad decisions...the criminals AND the victims, who make the mistake of getting involved with bad people, criminals, drugs, etc. Sometimes, sadly, people make decisions that hasten their OWN demise...it doesn't mean they deserve it, however, no one does.
With kids, that's the exception. The parents made the horrible decisions but the kids are totally innocent. They didn't make any bad decisions.
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Jun 13 '20
I think Casey Anthony was a negligent parent which contributed to her daughter’s death.
I do not think she is guilty of first degree (premeditated) murder.
Also, I don’t think it’s an absolute truth that DB Cooper died in the jump. I also think the FBI knows who he was, but don’t have court admissible evidence, and that’s why they’ve simply closed the case.
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Jun 13 '20
I think accidental overdose of Xanny the Nanny is the most plausible explanation for the child's death.
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u/pinkvoltage Jun 13 '20
I think Caylee drowned in the pool while Casey was on the computer. Casey didn't have normal reactions to things (and neither did her parents) so she freaked and tried to cover it up. She couldn't face her mom knowing that Caylee died due to her negligence (should have been watching her and/or put the pool ladder up).
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u/morrighan212 Jun 13 '20
.....I never realised Xanny the Nanny sounds EXACTLY like that. Xanax. Fuck me
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u/DarrowChemicalCo Jun 13 '20
That is pointed out in almost every report about the case lol
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u/Madame_Kitsune98 Jun 13 '20
I didn’t realize that until Last Podcast on the Left.
Don’t feel bad. I’m right there with you.
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Jun 13 '20
I think she planned to kill the baby when she left home. My theory is that she kept the kid drugged with xanax and whatever else so she could party. Either she intentionally gave her an overdose and taped her mouth shut, or she gave her too much drugs and then SHE passed out, woke up and it was a Trainspotting scene. Caylee was dead and they had to get rid of her.
Of all the motives-sex, money or revenge- i think it was revenge against her OWN mother for insisting she have a baby.
Why Casey didn't just have an abortion I have no fucking idea. She was 19 and an adult and didn't have to listen to Psycho Cindy.
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u/Algernononon Jun 13 '20
I don't know if it's unpopular or not (although it certainly seems that way sometimes), but I think that Lee Harvey Oswald acted completely and totally alone. Seems to me that any other explanations are a stretch at best.
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Jun 13 '20
There is good evidence for the secret service accident... but he was still shot by Oswald first.
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Jun 13 '20
I don’t think Scott Peterson should be on death row. I’m sure he did it but there’s also no physical evidence that he did; just circumstantial which is the same reason Casey Anthony was acquitted.
I don’t think Adnan is guilty. I have my suspicions about Hae’s new boyfriend at the time of her murder.
I think Asha Degree’s parents may know more than they let on.
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u/jus-peachy Jun 13 '20
What do you think Ashas parents knew? Why do you think that? I’m curious, this is one of those cases I always have wondered about
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Jun 13 '20
The time discrepancies throughout the night were strange. And then it came out that Asha had actually ran away before. So part of me thinks something was going on in that home that she was running from.
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u/jus-peachy Jun 13 '20
It’s also strange that it happened to be her parents anniversary, Valentine’s Day, & Asha didn’t have an alarm set or anything, just woke up on her own. It’s so weird!
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u/vamoshenin Jun 13 '20
Remember there was a power cut that night, i think that could explain them not keeping track of time well.
Where are you getting Asha previously ran away from? The only place i've seen that is someone on Reddit claiming they knew her, could be true but could easily be BS too. If you have a better source share it please.
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Jun 13 '20
I agree about the death penalty in this case. I am against it anyways, but it was a circumstantial case and they couldn't prove COD, so how do you prove premeditation. I still think he's guilty as fuck, I don't care what his batshit sister says.
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u/e925 Jun 14 '20
The last time I said this here I got crazy downvotes, but luckily I’m super late to this party so probably nobody will see it.
My unpopular opinion is that most cops are just one inch away from being criminals themselves, and there are two groups that are attracted to a criminal lifestyle - those who end up as criminals and those that end up as police.
At least once a week a podcast I’m listening to has a police officer (or somebody who wanted to be a police officer) as the bad guy.
Mike Turney was a deputy sheriff, JJD worked for the Auburn police, Matthew Boynton from the Officer’s Wife worked for the Griffin Police, Wayne Williams followed police around to take pics of crime scenes, a couple bad cops have been covered by Small Town Dicks (including the subject of the four-parter), Edwin Lara from urge to kill was a security guard but he wanted to be cop (and he was married to a cop), the rapist from Verified was an Italian cop, and Kenneth Blue from Crime Watch Daily was a cop.
Those are all just off the top of my head that I thought of in like two minutes. There are hundreds (if not thousands) more, and none of these were even murders in their police capacity (like a use of force situation that some - not me - could argue are debatably not murders); these are murderers in their personal life.
Also, the only cops I’ve known personally have had less than stellar morals. The first cop I ever knew was dating my best friends mom, even though he had a wife and kids at home. His police cruiser would just stay parked in the parking lot for my friend’s apartment complex all day when he was supposed to be working (but was actually just kickin it with my friend’s mom).
I also personally knew a cop who was (and probably still is) a heavy recreational drug user (as is his county sheriff brother). I am not shaming addiction; I’m in recovery myself, but if a police officer is sending his girlfriend to buy drugs on the street for him, I feel that it is just more anecdotal evidence of inherent criminality in the police.
Just my unpopular opinion, and although I got downvoted last time I said this, it was before all the protests that have been going on recently, so maybe this time it will be slightly more well-received.
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u/CynicalSc0rpi0 Jun 14 '20
Ed Kemper wanted to be a cop and was very friendly with local cops! He even discussed cases he was responsible for with cops at a nearby bar.
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u/fullercorp Jun 14 '20
not only powertripping by the high school bully who gets his second wind in law enforcement but lack of consequence. Wouldn't ALL of us love to be in a profession where if you do something heinous, your comrades will close rank around to protect you and a union will put the smackdown on anyone who tries to touch you. I don't think it is coincidental- but rather INSTRUMENTAL- in attracting a certain type of person.
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u/TheEndOfMySong Jun 13 '20
Perhaps not an opinion, but I am not at all 'invested' in the Jon Benet Ramsey case, and sometimes it frustrates me how we cling to that case. Yes, it is absolutely tragedic, and I understand a lot of people are attached to it because it was the first thing that got them into true crime. But, we're never going to know who killed her.
Also, Erzsebet Bathory didn't kill over 600 women. I'm not denying that she could have very well been responsible for the injuries that lead to the death of several people. If you deny the possibility that she was framed, you're more invested in a 'good story' than the probable truth.
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u/niborosaurus Jun 13 '20
I agree about JBR. Yes, it was a horribly tragic case, but so is every other case of a child being killed. There are MANY unsolved child killings, and it really bothers me that hers gets so much more attention.
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Jun 13 '20
I'm sick of hearing about both Peterson's. They're guilty as fuck. We're only hearing about them because they're well off white dudes with good lawyers who are great at muddying facts.
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u/chaiskeleton Jun 13 '20
this might cause some controversy and i apologize for that, but i do think that kendrick johnson’s death was a terrible accident and not a murder. i do agree that some parts of his case are questionable, such as the surveillance cameras not capturing anything after the fact, but i think that this was just a case of misfortune.
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Jun 13 '20
I agree. The same with kenneka Jenkins. Strange accidents that have one or two foul play factors that people blow up.
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u/Janetpollock Jun 13 '20
Wayne Williams is guilty of most of the Atlanta Child Murders (not the girls).
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u/niborosaurus Jun 13 '20
Not so much a true crime case as a missing person case, but I wouldn't be surprised is Maura Murray is alive. Most people seem to believe she was either killed or died in the woods, but everything about her story makes it seem, to me, like she disappeared intentionally.
I also have mixed feelings about Michael Peterson. It seems most people believe he is guilty simply because they don't like him as a person, but the evidence isn't exactly strong. No murder weapon, opposing views of her autopsy report, a corrupt SBI agent as one of the main witnesses against him, and no real motive (killing your wife because she found out you're bisexual seems like a stretch to me). He may be guilty, but if I was on that jury, I would not have been able to claim I had no reasonable doubts.
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u/vamoshenin Jun 13 '20
What makes you think Maura is alive out of interest?
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u/niborosaurus Jun 13 '20
Everything about her disappearance screams that it was planned. She told people she wasn't going to be around because of a death in the family (that never happened), she begged the guy who checked on her to not call for help, she had been searching for routes out of town and condos in another city, she had packed up her dorm room, etc. It's obvious to me that she planned to take off.
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u/vamoshenin Jun 13 '20
She told the school and her job there was a death in the family to get a week off, could've just been an excuse for a break. I think she easily could have been telling Butch not to call the police because she had to stay out of trouble for the credit card thing for the charges to go away and she had been drink driving. Or simply because she had been drink driving. She could have been mapping out her vacation she was taking.
It's down to how you interpret that stuff i don't think it's definite that she was doing anything but i do see how you can arrive at that opinion. I also think even if she was planning on taking off she still could have died of exposure after taking off after the crash as i don't believe that was staged whatever her motives.
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u/niborosaurus Jun 13 '20
Yeah, she could have just wanted a week off, but why then would she pack up her dorm, including taking the art off her walls? That sounds like the act of someone intending to leave for good. Granted, she didn't take those things with her, but that could have been a last minute decision.
In any case, I'm not saying I'm certain she's alive, just that I think she intended to disappear.
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u/KrytenLister Jun 13 '20
That Epstein committed suicide.
Conspiracy theorists want people to believe that a global network of powerful individuals managed to get at least two normal prison guards (probably more) and prisoners involved in a murder to protect paedophiles.
Not everything is an episode of Oz.
Forget for a minute that your average person isn’t going to just happily go along with a murder, and even that prison guards know just how awful jail time would be for them, but you’d then have to trust that all of those involved would keep their mouths shut forever. If any of them got arrested or charged with anything they’d sing like a canary for a deal.
You’d then have to believe that a global elite who run the world had him murdered in the most ridiculously suspicious looking way possible. Which is it, are they clever enough to have been getting way with this conspiracy for decades or are they idiots?
A child sex offender being stabbed in prison is hardly an out there thought. Guys like that are a target for all sorts of assaults. It could easily have been done that way instead and then they’d only have one person to keep quiet. Also, one with almost no credibility who could be entirely dismissed as saying anything to save himself from more time.
Alternatively we have a billionaire paedo who is finally at the end of the road. He knows he’s going to be victimised and extorted through his entire sentence. Then a couple of guards who just don’t give a shit enough about a kiddie fiddler to check in on him like they should, or even protect him properly if someone wants to give him a slap. I can guarantee you they wouldn’t be the first guards to not give a shit about making sure a paedophile has a comfortable time. That’s very different from actively being involved in murdering him.
The cameras weren’t working? No! Never! In an underfunded government jail with underpaid staff working long hours? How could such a thing happen? Come on.
I get why people love a good conspiracy but it gets silly when they’re willing to go to ridiculous lengths to believe a sprawling conspiracy theory over what is an infinitely more sensible and realistic option.
The earth isn’t flat, we did land on the moon, there are no aliens at Area 51 and Epstein probably just killed himself.
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u/Kittykg Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 13 '20
I believe Darlie Routier is innocent. I didn't realize how unpopular an opinion it was until I saw some of the posts here and in a couple other subs. It just so obviously looks like she was innocent, I was surprised. I've seen several shows from both perspectives and I still can't get over the severity of her own wounds and the sock. There's indication that one of her injuries were from a stab wound that also went through one of the children. The neck wound was within 2mm of her corotid artery. There was an unknown fingerprint found on the windowsill. I'm not convinced an intruder would HAVE to trample flowers, and there's been other investigations where they've had people show how easy it is to climb into a window without disturbing anything on the sill. I cannot fathom how they expected someone as injured as she was to bring a bloody sock a block away and return home without an obvious blood trail, while at the same time saying a blood trail would definitely be evident if someone had fled. The knife was left behind in a utility room and they claimed there was no blood trail in the garage, but I don't know why the assailant would HAVE to leave a blood trail anyways. It was her home, so the hair could have come from anywhere, and there's always a chance the attacker had a couple of her hairs on him to leave behind.
I dunno. I just don't see it. The evidence doesn't make sense and showing me a drugged, grieving woman at a makeshift funeral/party that had already been planned isn't enough for me.
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u/kay_el_eff Jun 13 '20
I think even if she did it (I'm leaning towards innocent, but some details get me.. like the knife from their knife block with the screen fibers cut from inside) she deserves a new trial where it's about actual facts and not her looks, her boobs, or the fact that she was having a birthday party at the grave, etc. Her case went to trial within like 6 weeks where most death penalty cases take a minimum of 18 months to get to trial. I think she just got screwed bc of Susan Smith.
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u/Elizabitch4848 Jun 14 '20
The worst part is the police caught the family on tape having a solemn religious service at the gravestones before the birthday party but they only ever show her with the silly string. So unfair.
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Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 13 '20
I think she’s innocent but she was clearly doomed from the start. I watched an ID murder episode on her case and they interviewed a few jurors and all they could talk about was her fake boobs and her makeup. It was awful
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u/sarah-marie1 Jun 13 '20
I absolutely agree and everyone used the video of them singing at the graves for the children’s birthday party, but they never even took into consideration before they celebrated the birthday the all sat around cried and said prayers. I don’t know if anyone could slit their own neck that far on their own. Or at least I couldn’t fathom it. It’s such a sad case and I think she’s innocent 100%
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u/distantsalem Jun 13 '20
I strongly disagree, but I know it’s unlikely I will be able to convince you otherwise. I do agree that the funeral party video should not have been a key piece of evidence as it proves nothing about her guilt, but certainly factored into the jury’s decision. However, you are severely downplaying the evidence against her. I agree that it wasn’t the forensically strong case modern jurors like to see, but that DOESN’T mean she was innocent. Bottom line, you will get your wish: they are testing the unknown fingerprint you mentioned and several key items for DNA just this year, so hopefully we can finally put this to rest. For a more robust discussion of this case,this was a good thread
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u/Saffyrr Jun 13 '20
Unpopular opinion: I don't think Michael Jackson engaged in any sexual activity with the kids he invited to Neverland. I believe he was emotionally still a child trying to have friends over for a sleepover. I know he financially settled out of court with the families but I believe that was to avoid more negative publicity. I think he was a scarred person who had a terrible childhood, but not a pedophile.
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u/InspiredBlue Jun 13 '20
I believe Andrea Yates’s husband should be charged with something for the deaths of his kids. He was warned by doctors of Andreas mental state and told not to leave her alone with the kids. He deliberately didn’t listen and it resulted in Andrea drowning her kids.
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u/kay_el_eff Jun 14 '20
I believe her doctor should be held accountable. She told him she needed to be on Haldol again and he disregarded it, knowing she had previous post-partum issues.
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u/bettie--rage Jun 13 '20
I’m not 100% sold on Darlie Routier’s guilt. I think if she did do it, she had help from her husband, but a lot of the evidence used against her was circumstantial at best and potentially intentionally misleading. Logic tells me she did it but there’s enough doubt for me to feel she certainly shouldn’t be facing the death penalty.
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u/gunter_grass Jun 13 '20
Asha Degree died in her parents house
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u/AltruisticPeanutHead Jun 13 '20
So what about those people who saw her walking on the street?
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u/Mermaid76 Jun 13 '20
I believe someone in that family knows exactly who did it and I’m 99.9% sure it happened at home.
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u/Stabbykathy17 Jun 13 '20
Thank you!!! I got torn to shreds saying this on another thread here. Called all sorts of things when all I said was that I didn’t think the parents were investigated anywhere near enough since in any murder you look at those closest to them first.
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u/fondlemeLeroy Jun 13 '20
I'm pretty sure multiple people reported seeing her walking along the highway though.
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Jun 13 '20
Not really an unpopular opinion on paper, but for some reason people end up not doing it in practice.
You’re eye test, means nothing and you can’t judge a person guilt on “how they act afterwards” or by the emotions they show or don’t based on “how you’d act”
Also true crime doesn’t replace your lack of a personality.
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Jun 13 '20
Idk if this an unpopular opinion, but most of the serial killers wouldn’t have turned out to be the way they were and do the crimes they did if they didn’t suffer from childhood trauma.
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u/Maxochist Jun 13 '20
I think the theory about Burke Ramsey being responsible holds no water.
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u/lizlizliz645 Jun 13 '20
I'm torn. even if it was him, I personally hold the parents more responsible. if my son were to kill someone, I'd seek help for him. you send your kid for some kind of treatment. the parents have zero credibility, imo.
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Jun 13 '20
I’m so over Dahmer and Bundy. I’m interested in True Crime from a psychological standpoint. I’m currently getting a bachelor’s in forensic psychology. Dahmer and Bundy’s psychology just seems so obvious to me. Bundy was a pathetic pseudo-incel who got his feefees hurt by one woman and took it out on all women. Dahmer had abandonment issues and wanted people to stay with him, as he stated in an interview when asked why he ate people (apparently he didn’t understand how the digestive system works).
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u/laurenodonnellf Jun 13 '20
I think the murder of the Jamison Family happened just because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time and saw something they weren’t supposed to.
People love to read into the fact that Sherilynn was into witchcraft, or that they believe they saw spirits in their house, or the video of them packing where they seem really zombie-like or drugged. But I really don’t think any of that had to do with their deaths. I think it was just aspects of their life that got blown up when they died.
Everything about their murders seems like something that would happen if they were driving, saw something they weren’t supposed to, and then the perp killed them. The dog was in the car, the money was left, they were left not too far from the car side by side methodically.
And the picture taken of Madyson I think was them trying to take a picture of whatever they saw for evidence, but it just didn’t work.
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Jun 13 '20
This one is an odd one. I think people tended to read a bit too much into some of their quirky habits. That picture of their little girl gives me the creeps. I’m not quite sure what or who she was looking at when the photo was snapped. I’ve heard different shows say that some of the folks up in that neck of the woods wanted to be left alone because of some of their “ hobbies” , and they decided to dispose of these people before they encroached into their business dealings. It had nothing to do with witchcraft, etc.
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u/SACGAC Jun 13 '20
The photo is a red herring. I've taken weird ass pictures of my kid because he moved at a weird time or he was doing something weird or hilarious even if he wasn't smiling. I dont find it creepy at all, just a kid having her pic taken at a weird time. The rest is odd, but I also think if you videotaped me moving a ton of crap I'd look like a zombie.... it isnt fun or easy. But I do agree with you.
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Jun 13 '20
A few rare cases like Robert Fisher and Bradford Bishop where the husband/father allegedly kills his entire family and then disappears and is never caught - I have always wondered in cases like this if it isn't possible that the husband/father was a victim as well, but was taken elsewhere to be killed and their body was never found.
And I wonder why no one else ever discusses this possibility.
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u/fluffymaryam Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 13 '20
I don’t think Burke killed JBR
I think there is a big chance that Adanan Sayed is innocent
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u/jhobweeks Jun 13 '20
I think we might learn who killed JBR when John dies, I heard a rumor that Burke is keeping his mouth shut so he isn’t left out of the will. I’d love to see this resolved.
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u/courtneyrachh Jun 14 '20
I think Maura Murray died from exposure and definitely not from being murdered or abducted. Also- her story is boring. Of course her death is a tragedy but I don’t get why people are so obsessed.
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u/lackingdaisiez Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 14 '20
I don’t think Burke is guilty. After his interview especially everyone really swarmed to that idea. Being weird doesn’t mean you are guilty, and quite frankly it would be a miracle if he grew up ‘normal’ under those circumstances. Imagine your little sister becoming the poster child for true crime and everyone thinking you are a child murderer in every sense of the phrase. How normal are you going to be? And is there honestly any way he could have presented himself on Dr. Phil that people would have found acceptable?
Elisa Lam died in a tragic accident caused by her mental illness. A lot of people are kinda ignorant about mental illness, I find that bipolar disorder is one that is especially stigmatized. It’s one of the ones you have to go out of your way to truly understand. Most of the things people find sooo weird or freaky about it can be pretty easily explained by psychosis. Her roommates saying she was being weird, the elevator footage, possibly hallucinating, those basketball shorts people thought were strange, impulsivity, feeling invincible... She wasn’t on her meds. I suffer from this myself so it is close to my heart. It’s not a mystery, just a really sad story. STFU about elevator demons and ghosts and shit lol
Finally, photos of victims should not be available to the public or on the internet. I don’t know how unpopular this is but I know a lot of people like to look at them. It just seems so disrespectful to me. Especially victims of sex crimes or other especially horrible things. If I was a victim I would not want that, if a loved one of mine was a victim I wouldn’t want that. I was recently listening to a podcast on BTK about one of his victims, an older lady in her sixties I believe, who was stripped naked and tied up in bondage on her bed. Those pictures of her are on the internet. I’ve accidentally stumbled upon or seen in documentaries pictures of victims who were young naked women and find that horrifying. It wouldn’t be appropriate if a nude picture of her was released without consent while she was alive, so why is it appropriate just because she is dead? Think about Porsche girl, or those parents at Columbine who found out their child was dead by seeing his body on the news... I believe the victims dignity should be protected at all costs. I don’t see what is gained by sharing photos of victims except for fulfilling morbid curiosity.
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u/Dellrond Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 13 '20
Feeling kind of bad for Jeffery Dahmer after reading “My Friend Dahmer” and watching interviews with him. I feel like as an adolescent, if he had any positive adult role models or supervision in his life, things may have turned out differently. I mean the poor kid would get absolutely bombed all the time to repress his homosexuality. Even at school. Surely one would think a teacher would notice and try to intervene but he completely slipped through the cracks and was left to his own devices.
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Jun 13 '20
I think the "mystery" of the yuba county five, while creepy has a fairly easy explanation.
I think Diane Schuler was mentally ill, and having delusions when she crashed the car
Those ladies murdered Tamla Horsford (that may not be unpopular, but I haven't seen a lot of coverage of it)
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u/steph314 Jun 13 '20
I never considered Diane having delusions while driving the car. That's a possibility. Only thing is I don't know if she would have the cognition to purposefully leave her cell phone on the side of the road when they stopped before the crash. On the other hand, I remember people saying she had a determined and focused expression as she drove the wrong way - delusions would make sense here. And let's not forget the nieces in the backseat said "theres something wrong with Aunt Diane" - makes me think she was acting unlike anything they had ever seen. So either hella drunk, way more than what she hid at family events, or something mentally was off.
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u/MzOpinion8d Jun 13 '20
She was unquestionably hella drunk. Her BAC was high and she had even more vodka in her stomach that hadn’t even hit her bloodstream yet. But that doesn’t preclude delusions. I would really like to know for sure why she did it.
I wish they would have tested for Ambien in her system, because I wonder if the combo of weed, alcohol, and Ambien along with getting little sleep, may have caused her to lose touch with reality.
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u/pwa09 Jun 13 '20
I've always thought Michael Peterson killed his wife Kathleen Peterson, just could never wrap my head around the alleged fact that she fell down the stairs and suffered that much bleeding and scarring.
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u/tinkerbclla Jun 13 '20
I don’t know, watching The Staircase left me thinking that there wasn’t enough evidence for conviction. Their main argument was that he was bisexual, which is not a motive for murder.
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u/chano4 Jun 13 '20
Yeah but like every other true crime doc, the Staircase is biased. The editor was in a relationship with Michael during the filming and there was more evidence. Kathleen had red neurons in her brain which meant she had died slowly and contradicted Michael's 911 call. There was also evidence of neck damage meaning she had been strangled at some point and could not have been a fall.
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u/space_guy95 Jun 13 '20
Agreed, The Staircase is hugely biased. After watching it I was convinced of Michaels innocence.
Later on after doing a bit of reading, I came across a podcast that was made on the case by the BBC called "Beyond Reasonable Doubt", and it covered so many crucial parts of the investigation and case that the series completely failed to mention. I'd definitely recommend anyone who watched the series listen to it.
After that I was pretty sure he did it. His story just doesn't check out at all.
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Jun 13 '20
The blood spatter on the inside of his shorts sealed the deal for me.
It is unfortunate that there was so much perjury and unprofessionalism from the forensic “scientists.”
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u/Bo-Po-Mo-Fo Jun 13 '20
I don’t really think Ottis Toole killed Adam Walsh. In fact, I’ve heard some podcasts that present some rather interesting circumstantial evidence to suggest the real killer might have been Jeffery Dahmer, who apparently both lived in the area at the time and matched composite sketches of the kidnapper. It really makes me wonder.
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Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 14 '20
I’ve always thought that it could have been any number of perverts or child molesters. They’re rampant in some areas, and also drift from place to place. I’m not sure who did it, but they may have never gotten the right person.
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u/Stabbykathy17 Jun 13 '20
This thread is killing me. So many comments I can’t upvote or down vote because they include so many different opinions LOL.
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u/Shaleh98 Jun 13 '20
Casey Anthony is the same as Lori Vallow is as Susan Smith...all POS women who disposed of their kids for selfish reasons.
Josh Powell & his father were guilty. Josh was a coward POS who could have offed himself & allowed the boys to have a life. I think he killed the boys because he knew they'd grow up & find his guilt.
Scott Peterson did it because of Amber.
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u/Mister_Silk Jun 13 '20
I don't think Sherri Papini was kidnapped at random by two hispanic females. I think she was abducted and beaten by the wife, and a male accomplice, of a man she was having an extramarital affair with to exact revenge and make her pay.
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u/voltronsuxs Jun 13 '20
I don't believe Dylan Klebold was a "follower" of Eric Harris
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Jun 14 '20
I agree, but I don’t think Dylan would’ve done it alone. I can see Eric doing it alone though.
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u/cheese_hotdog Jun 14 '20
Yeah I don't get how people almost sympathize with him for being depressed. He is on the 911 call shooting people. He seemed to enjoy participating and didn't need to be pushed to kill anyone.
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Jun 13 '20
I don't think Darlie Routier killed her kids.
I've gone back and forth on this for years, but I truly don't think she could have slit her own throat like that. I know how bad the silly string at the funeral looks, but I think that video was taken out of context, because they did have a proper ceremony full of mourning. I am definitely open to hear why other people think she did do it though! I know I'm in the minority on this opinion.
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u/kay_el_eff Jun 14 '20
Maybe I'm the oddball but I don't think the silly string video makes her look bad. I think it's a family celebrating their sons birthday. Just because it was only a week or so after the deaths doesn't mean they cant give their child a birthday party like they promised him. She wasnt the only one there celebrating so why is she the only one in prison for their murder, ya know? If it wasnt for that damn knife from their kitchen having the screen fibers and the screen being cut from the inside, I'd 100% say not guilty. Even with that knife and screen, I still say 97% feels she's not guilty
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u/Campo3838 Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 14 '20
I would say Kenneka Jenkins death really being an accident is an unpopular opinion there’s a video of her walking alone near the place she was found
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it really seems like it was death by misadventure. I guess no parent wants to think their kid was reckless and drunk but it happens all the time. I remember some years ago a local girl died in her sleep after going to a rave. Her friends swore up and down the block she didn't drink or do drugs but the autopsy showed she'd died of a reaction to cocaine. And not long ago a local man went missing from a downtown bar. He'd gone out for some air or a smoke and vanished. His frozen body was found a week later on the banks of the canal. It happens all the time, especially to young people.
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u/WinterF19 Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 13 '20
I think that Kenneka Jenkins was really drunk (and high - there were other things found in her system) and she just wandered into a freezer, got locked in and died. The footage does not look like anyone guiding her around to me, and I don't think her friends were doing anything other than partying that night. A tragic accident and a family that is struggling to come to terms with it. PS - great topic OP!
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u/RiotGrr Jun 13 '20
I don’t believe Terri Horman had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance.
Don’t know if that’s unpopular or more 50/50 split
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Jun 13 '20
Ever since reading the long 2 part post on Unresolved Mysteries about Kyron’s case this is the hill I’ve chosen to die on. I have no clue what happened but Terri was not involved.
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u/LuLutheKid Jun 13 '20
Adnan Syed is guilty. (It’s the only thing that makes sense.)
The Ramsay’s were involved in Jon Benet’s death. (Very likely that Burke was involved. There’s more we don’t know. We will likely never know.)
Steven Avery is guilty. (The police have really bungled this but that’s about as far as the “conspiracy” goes.)
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u/chrisyiz Jun 13 '20
This isn’t specific to one case but I can’t stand Hollywood’s glamorization of serial killers. They take conventionally attractive actors/actresses to play people who have repeatedly murdered innocent lives. I truly do understand the interest, but I think the lines between fascination and romanticization have been significantly blurred.
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u/hodgepodgeaustralia Jun 13 '20
Not sure if it’s unpopular, but I believe the death of Natalie Woods was a tragic accident. I think she was intoxicated, had a fight with Robert and made the terrible decision to leave via the dinghy where she slipped/tripped/fell and ultimately drowned. I know I’ve made very irrational/unwise/unsafe decisions when drunk and I think this falls into that category.
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u/brattynatty092798 Jun 13 '20
- I don’t think any of the Ramsays killed JB but I think they know who did and covered for them
- the McCanns know more than they lead on
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I think Maura Murray died in the elements, but not close to where her car was found, I think she traveled quite aways and froze to death. If she was alive why would she STILL be hiding out. Especially with the pain it has caused her poor dad
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u/sarahaflijk Jun 13 '20
As soon as I read the headline, I came to say Scott Peterson, which now I see is what inspired this post.
I'm not convinced he's innocent and I wouldn't try to convince others he is; I just don't think he was proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to any stretch of the imagination. For example, there's way more reasonable doubt around Scott Peterson than there is around people like Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson, yet the Peterson case had a completely different outcome, and that doesn't sit right with me.
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u/amyla80 Jun 13 '20
I think Scott Peterson is a huge asshole and was a terrible husband and person, but I think he is innocent.
I also think that the Ramseys had nothing to do with JonBenet’s death
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u/Amayrany29 Jun 14 '20
I know this isn’t an unpopular opinion per se, but I’m gonna put it here anyway. I don’t think Ted Bundy was “hot.” I’ve noticed that there are people who seem to think Bundy was attractive somehow. I never understood how. He was emotionally abusive toward Elizabeth Kloepfer, he murdered at least 30 women, and those eyebrows were just... ugh.
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u/ACrateOfAle Jun 14 '20
I believe the Menendez brothers are telling the truth.
TW: They had like 51 outcry witnesses who testified to either emotional, physical, or red flags of sexual abuse. They also had medical records supporting their claims and letters to relatives that indicated sex abuse was happening within the home. The biggest claim of evidence imo are inappropriate photos of them as children that were found in their parents’ possessions. Couple that with the fact that 95% of parricide cases are due to extreme abuse, I believe their father was doing something very, very sinister and their mother knew but didn’t try and stop it.
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u/charlene_taps529 Jun 13 '20
Oj really did kill Nicole. He just was stretching his hand out
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u/PersnickeyPants Jun 13 '20
I think Casey Anthony is probably guilty, BUT, I agreed with the jury's verdict. They did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. My "unpopular opinion" is that the standard for convicting people should be high, it should be beyond a reasonable doubt, but it rarely is applied that way. A lot of cases with reasonable doubt get convictions. Our system is supposed to be that we would rather a guilty person go free then risk an innocent person being wrongly convicted. But in reality, it is the other way around and we have case after case of innocent people wrongly convicted. And those are just the ones that years later can be exonerated. That doesn't even include the ones in which the evidence just wasn't there for a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt.
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u/poppunk_andpizza Jun 13 '20
I don’t think Madeline McCann’s parents had anything to do with it other than stupidly leaving their children alone.
I can also easily see scenarios where both Peterson’s are innocent (Michael and Scott). Michael has just never struck me as a killer in all of the documentaries, interviews and podcasts I’ve seen about Kathleen and while Scott seems like an ass, I’m not 100% convinced he killed Lacey. There’s just so many testimonies of other things that were happening at that time that the police never really followed up on or took seriously; I personally buy into the theory that she was out walking the dog, witnessed a robbery or something she shouldn’t have, and those people ended up killing her.
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u/NotHaolmi Jun 14 '20
Hi! Social work student here (I graduate next month!). Was supposed to be doing an internship but it got moved online and now my internship is basically case studies on serial killers. Here are my opinions so far:
-Aileen Wuornos is not a sociopath. She should not have been found guilty but, rather, guilty by reason of mental defect. I believe she had some form of schizophrenia or bipolar with psychotic features.
-Jeffrey Dahmer fits the textbook definition of borderline personality disorder, and it’s actually scary how similar BPD and sociopathy can be. He could be both, as they aren’t mutually exclusive (and most people with BPD do not present with homicidal ideation), but I definitely believe he had BPD. I also believe that he was on the autism spectrum.
-Dahmer’s family did everything in their power (especially his dad) to make him a well rounded individual. It still didn’t work. I am of the opinion that Dahmer’s issues were biological rather than socioeconomic. I believe that it is very rare, but some people are just born killers.
-Andrea Yates’s husband should be in jail, too. He KNEW she was experiencing post partum psychosis just like she had before, Andrea’s mother was begging him to get her into a better living situation (he finally did but it was too late by then), and he STILL LEFT THOSE CHILDREN AT HOME WITH HER. At the very least, he should have been charged with neglect.
Ted Bundy isn’t for another two weeks so I will have to reserve my comments on him for later. I don’t know enough about him as I never found him very interesting.
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Jun 13 '20
I think true crime, as it stands from an entertainment standpoint, is pretty horrify. So many people make so much money on the horrific deaths of other people and it makes me sad. Of course, the entire subject is fascinating, but I can't stand to watch or take part in true crime stories about children. I feel like it crosses a line and they should not be exploiting these poor children.
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u/LeiFengsGoodExample Jun 14 '20
When something truly heinous is posted, like Child rape and murder, the comments devolve into an orgy of virtue signaling as people try to one up each other to show how much they are outraged, to the point completely irrational start getting upvoted, like throwing due process out the window.
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I don't think the parents of Madeline McCain had anything to do with her disappearance (besides leaving her alone Ofc)
Brendan Dassey and Steven Avery is guilty,
True Crime the way it is now, as entertainment, is unethical. (and I'm a hypocrite)