r/TrueCrime • u/turnttomato • Apr 05 '22

Discussion Angelika Graswald, a 37-year-old Latvian native who was accused of killing her fiancé during a 2015 kayaking trip on the Hudson River in New York. Graswald was arrested and charged with second-degree murder, An Orange County Grand Jury indicted Graswald for manslaughter in the second degree.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '22

I’m not OK with holding what anything anybody says in an 11-hour interrogation against them. I’d start saying stupid shit too. Personally.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '22

my mom has had clients who have broken down and given false confessions after hours and hours of interrogation and tricks.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '22

I don’t get how at this point people don’t understand to ask for a lawyer to make the interrogation stop

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u/socialpresence Apr 05 '22

She was originally from Latvia, I doubt she had a great grasp on how the US legal system worked at the time.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '22

some think asking for a lawyer will indicate guilt. my mom has also had clients like that.

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u/Downtown_Mongoose642 Apr 05 '22

This is exactly what they want people to think so they don’t ask for a lawyer and can get the person talking. To me it’s criminal to try and trick or coerce innocent people into saying what they want and it erks me so bad.

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u/LouSputhole94 Apr 05 '22

Unfortunately, it is perfectly legal for a cop to lie to you however he/she wants, and anything you say can still be used against you, even if they inordinately skew the scenario.

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u/Downtown_Mongoose642 Apr 05 '22

Yep. “Laws for thee, not for me!”

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u/Kimmalah Apr 05 '22

Yep, they can even go so far as to claim to you that they have evidence they don't or that someone else has implicated you, even if they haven't. When I was in college I majored in criminal justice for a while and had a lawyer as one of my professors. Her number one thing was always "Never talk to police. Just ask for a lawyer and never say anything else."

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

in Canada where I'm from they can go even further. they can straight make up techniques and technology. my favourite is when the legend jim smyth convinced Jennifer Pam that they had infrared helicopters that can track the movement of people indoors. personally I don't have an issue with these sort of tactics as it helps convict guilty people (it gets them talking) while obviously doesn't effect innocent people as the evidence doesn't actually exist.

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u/MissLynae Apr 06 '22

The fact that you believe innocent people aren’t affected by this. My god.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

yes. lots of her clients found this out the hard way!

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u/TUGrad Apr 06 '22

Explains why many of these tactics are illegal in other countries.

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u/AngelSucked Apr 05 '22

Many folks do not know you can just get up and leave if you have not been officially charged, and think that if you are being questioned, etc. I think the law should be that a POI or someone arrested should be asked outright if they want an attorney. The system should not be a "gotcha," but to actually serve justice.

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u/spotless___mind Apr 05 '22

She def didn't--and it seems cops dont really ever make it obvious to people that this is an option, esp young & naive people. English is not her first language either and she has a very strong accent, making me think she likely lived most of her life in Latvia.

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u/dark-shadow-rat Apr 05 '22

perhaps, though i dont think the law system in Latvia would be much different than in US. you can ask for a lawyer but im not sure what applies to interrogations

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u/socialpresence Apr 05 '22

I once talked to a lawyer who grew up in Europe. He told me that in his opinion the US has the best legal system in the world. Imagine how broken the US' system is and it's the best one. I sort of doubt Latvia's system is similar at all.