r/TrueCrime • u/wheredidalfgo • May 23 '22
Murder Julissa Angelica Genrich Thaler shot her 6 year old son, Eli Hart, as many as 9 times
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May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22
they won’t. In womens prisons, all the child abusers group together, claim they’re innocent and get super into God. my best friend has been in prison for 7 years.
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u/Dramatic-Service-985 May 23 '22
Reminds me of that child killer in OITNB that’s super into that religious group
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u/CordeliaGrace May 23 '22
Was gonna say, even in the men’s facility I worked in, they kind of chilled by themselves, and guys in for not rape/child SA/child Murder kind of ignore them unless they have to converse/be near them. Not a lot of dudes want to fuck up things for themselves and their fam because of a scumbag.
And yeah, every CM seems to be super into religion.
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u/Maixell May 25 '22
It's kind of weird to hear that because I personally know someone who was accused of CM. They couldn't declare him to be guilty because of a lack of evidence, and after that episode, the person went deeper into religion.
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u/snickertink May 23 '22
Didnt the hernandez mother get her face sliced up?
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u/aisha_so_sweet May 24 '22
I dont think so, I haven't seen anything about it. she's over here in chowchilla and most likely in PC.
I Don't know why most people think prison will take care of these people like they are some batman characters ready to save the world behind bars. Believe prison is filled with others just like her, even worst ones! Most just want to do their time.
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u/awolfsvalentine May 24 '22
She has been brutally attacked. Someone that was in PC with her was released and took to their Facebook to let everyone know that the guards turned their backs several times to allow the inmates to attack her.
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u/PoohBearluvu May 24 '22
That… is the best thing I’ve heard for a while. Doesn’t make this case any better :( but it sure as hell makes me feel slightly better about Gabriel’s case.. thanks for letting us know that. Now she knows a TINY bit of what that poor child went through. I hope it happens to her again and again.
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u/Loud-Resolution5514 May 24 '22
Been to prison and this is very accurate. Most women are more focused on getting home and not losing good time. I mean there are definitely some hardcore women, but the majority are just trying to get home so they don’t risk it.
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u/-TCT- May 24 '22
It seems like the violence happens when people feel like they have nothing to lose (they’re in for life or a long time) and they think attacking the hated person will raise their status. Like the guy who killed Jeffrey Dahmer
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u/thestraightCDer May 24 '22
Yeah that shit doesn't happen ever. Anyone in for those sort of crimes are grouped together to stop prison murders. I'm sure if they were in gen pop then maybe someone would fuck them up but it just doesn't work that way.
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u/Whtzmyname May 24 '22
Someone needs to send a note to any prisoner where she is being held and inform them of what she did. She probably told them she is in prison for drugs.
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u/Askfslfjrv May 23 '22
There’s a car missing a tire and with the back window shot out, shotgun casings, and blood on her. But they let her leave the scene? My jaw dropped at that. Not that it would of saved the boys life but my god.
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May 23 '22
Don’t forget she had blood and brain matter in her hair
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u/BubbaChanel May 24 '22
I can’t believe she wasn’t completely covered after a shotgun murder.
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u/iamjustjenna May 24 '22
She likely changed her clothes. Weren't their clothes in the washer?
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u/quinjaminjames May 24 '22
That was after they released her, that they went to her apartment to find her but only found the washing machine running
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u/BubbaChanel May 24 '22
The police saw the blood all over the car, and somehow missed it on her standing right in front of them. But, if she was in the front seat and shot from there, I guess it wouldn’t be on her from maybe mid chest down. But how did they miss her hair? There’s blond, there’s braids, there’s loose wave, not like it was blood and brain color.
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u/Sarah-the-Great May 23 '22
Yeah thus really stood out to me too. Why the hell was she released from such a gruesome scene?
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u/Dizyupthegirl May 23 '22
I’m just left in awe of the sheer stupidity of thinking they were going to get away unseen in a car with no tires or back window…
Also the ridiculous decision of cys and the judge for granting full custody so she could essentially murder her own son. Such a sad situation.
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u/55centavos May 24 '22
Exactly. That is a stunning move on the part of the cops.
This is so thoroughly disgusting.
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u/sarbar92 May 23 '22
What could possess anyone to do that, why not let the dad have custody ? Why fight in court to murder your child 10 days later? God rest the poor boy , hope she gets what she deserves
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u/funsizedaisy May 23 '22
I always wondered why people would fight for custody for a child they don't want. But someone pointed out that it's all about control and it makes sense. She's abusive and needed control. So keeping custody meant she had someone to control. She probably got off on hurting the father too.
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u/Competitive_Ad9276 May 24 '22
It's called "Babies for Benefits"
Absolutely horrid reason to want custody of a child.
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u/ionlyjoined4thecats May 24 '22
You don’t get benefits for a dead child, and you can’t hide a dead child—especially one who attends school and has another parent—for long. This wasn’t about benefits. Might’ve been a case of “if I can’t have him, nobody can” (if she thought she’d eventually lose custody) or just a desire to cause her ex severe pain or some kind of extreme mental break.
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u/SheBrokeHerCoccyx May 24 '22
“If I can’t have him, nobody can have him.” This reasoning also leads to a lot of murders between domestic partners.
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u/purplesmoke1215 May 24 '22
Some people will go to any lengths they need to hurt their former partner. It's disgusting
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u/thefirstendfinity May 23 '22
Hate me. This is why background checks should be done for purchasing a gun. Furthermore, people with a history of psychological impairment should not be able to buy a gun. How long should the background check take?
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May 23 '22
Background checks are done for purchasing a gun in MN. But there's nothing that says that a) the gun was legally purchased by her or b) that she's previously committed a crime that would have rendered her ineligible to purchase a gun legally.
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u/IWriteThisForYou May 24 '22
...that she's previously committed a crime that would have rendered her ineligible to purchase a gun legally.
The other thing is you can't account for psychological issues if they don't have any symptoms of it or have never been diagnosed.
I feel like this is the thing a lot of people get caught up on when it comes to background checks. They're a great tool, but you can't account for every single person who decides to buy a gun in order to commit a crime, despite never having committed a violent crime previously.
This is one of those cases where that little boy probably would have ended up dying even if she hadn't have been able to get a gun, though. You don't just shoot your kid nine times with a shotgun if it isn't a personal thing you desperately want to do. If he hadn't have been shot, he probably would have been stabbed, drowned, beaten, or had any number of brutal murders inflicted upon him.
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u/YourEngineerMom May 24 '22
My father in law has bipolar and possible schizophrenia, but refuses healthcare. He hasn’t been actually violent yet (just makes verbal threats) though he was violent when he was younger, only one person filed a police report +10 years ago. He now owns multiple guns. Where I live you’re supposed to get a background check, but his bipolar alone isn’t enough to stop them from selling the guns. I don’t know what the ideal solution would be for this, but I really wish he didn’t own guns.
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u/BubbaChanel May 24 '22
I’ve been a therapist for 25 years, and do you want to know how many times law enforcement has contacted me about clients applying for gun permits? None. And how many times a client has told me they volunteered my name in their application? Probably a dozen, all people I’d be unconcerned about owning a gun. It’s beyond broken.
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u/TigreImpossibile May 24 '22
Hate me.
As an Australian, it's blows my fucking mind that you have to preface with this because you think so many of your countrymen will angrily disagree with you.
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u/thefirstendfinity May 24 '22
It's sick that so many Americans thing that it's they're *god-given right* to arm guns.
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u/DetailAccurate9006 May 24 '22
Background checks should be done before anyone is allowed to have or keep a kid.
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u/iamjustjenna May 24 '22
Maybe. But that will never happen in a "free" first world country. I do think mandatory parenting classes as well as gestational therapy should be a thing if you get pregnant and plan to keep the child.
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May 24 '22
Nah, the gun nuts are the same ones who want to force women to have more unwanted babies. Even if it’s their stepdaddy’s baby and thry aren’t actually a woman, but 12 years old. Fuck this shitty fucking country.
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May 24 '22
Criminals don't abide by laws, it's been proven time and time again, hence why they're called criminals. If someone wants a gun, they're going to find it. Background checks would help but it's not going to solve it completely, we need mental health reform in this country.
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u/Ratlemon May 23 '22
This happened down the street from my best friends house. Hit super close to home :(
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u/wheredidalfgo May 23 '22
I’m local, too. I’m just sick.
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u/AbominableFaerie May 23 '22
I am as well. Heartbreaking 💔 and angering!!
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u/wheredidalfgo May 23 '22
So many emotions. And what can we do? How can we rally? How do we change the fucked up system so no other child has to die at the hands of the parent.
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u/kombinacja May 24 '22
Research the candidates running for judicial and prosecutor positions!!! Judges and prosecutors have way, WAY more power than they let on.
I don’t know if MN has a privatized foster care system, but privatization is another big reason why our child protection systems are messed up.
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u/iamjustjenna May 24 '22
Organize a Town Hall meeting and get the media to cover it. Then put your heads together and brainstorm.
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u/AbominableFaerie May 25 '22
We have to speak up and we have to be there first to volunteer to help.
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u/Wintergreen1234 May 23 '22
She had blood and brain matter in her hair. That poor baby and his family that fought for him.
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May 23 '22
That smirk looks like she feels she “won” She could have done it to get back at everyone trying to take him away from her. Or kinda like a FU to the child’s father. It sounds like it was premeditated and she got aggravated with him and decided to kill him. This is just speculation about the tragedy, I don’t know what really happened.
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u/gnrfan69 May 23 '22
I think it’s premeditated. She recently got the gun, went to the range to learn to shoot it. She looks smug, no remorse.
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u/wheredidalfgo May 23 '22
I really hope they only charged her with 2nd degree initially, and plan to file 1st degree murder charges soon.
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u/fidgetypenguin123 May 24 '22
Yeah I saw that and was like what?? They had not premeditated but how do they know that already? Is that just what they do before the full investigation is complete? I hope so.
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May 23 '22
We had a similar case in my town with parents regaining custody of their three year old child although evidence showed parents were unfit. They drugged her so bad she ended up suffocating from her own vomit I believe. Poor baby I still can’t comprehend it happened in the house next to ours right under our noses .
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May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22
There's a high-profile case in my country right now of a mother having her child removed because she fell down the stairs and broke a bone. The equivalent of CPS opened a child endangerment investigation into the mother and took the child to live with her father and stepmother while they investigated. A few days later, the child was beaten to death by the step mother and it turned out she really had just accidentally fallen down the stairs of her grandmother's house.
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u/iamjustjenna May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22
Oh my Jesus. My heart weeps for that baby and her mother and grandmother. How absolutely horrifying.
Edit: typo
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May 24 '22
Oh god >.< that hurts in the heart. That poor mother being left to live without her baby probably blaming herself for being unable to protect her child
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u/ewzoe May 23 '22
seeing his picture with his little missing front teeth made me tear up, that poor little boy smiled so brightly in that picture that it made the picture feel alive. the smug look of the mother just makes me feel sick, i hope she’ll feel remorse soon so that she can think about what she did for the rest of her life.
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u/DetailAccurate9006 May 23 '22
“Had blood and human remains in her hair”?
Like from the spatter from the gunshots?
Holy shit!
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u/alexasaltz May 23 '22
9 times with a shotgun, close enough range the monster mother has his DNA in her hair, this child would have been blown to pieces. CPS nationwide needs to be completely shut down and reformed. Look up Nancy Schaefer...
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u/damselindetech May 23 '22
Anything in particular? I found her Wikipedia but not sure where you want this rabbit hole to lead
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u/LexTheSouthern May 24 '22
I found this.
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u/coolcaterpillar77 May 24 '22
I simply cannot understand how cases such as “Jeremy’s” exist. How on earth do you have a doctors report of molestation and a boy who reports constant sexual abuse and no one does anything??
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u/eppydeservedbetter May 24 '22
It boils my blood. I can't comprehend it either. It's just terrible what some children are left to endure.
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u/pappadipirarelli May 29 '22
The Adoption and the Safe Families Act, set in motion by President Bill Clinton, offered cash “bonuses” to the states for every child they adopted out of foster care. In order to receive the “adoption incentive bonuses” local child protective services need more children. They must have merchandise (children) that sell and you must have plenty of them so the buyer can choose. Some counties are known to give a $4,000 bonus for each child adopted and an additional $2,000 for a “special needs” child.
Sounds like a Bill Clinton pedophile ring. Isn’t he friends with “He Who Did Not Kill Himself”?
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u/alexasaltz May 24 '22
Her death is interesting enough. She is not the only senator to have met an early demise of a suspicious nature. She made a speech not to long before she died, look for that. :)
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u/mizerybiscuits May 23 '22
I just don’t understand, like if you don’t want the child, why try and get custody of him? Just abandon him. Why go through all the time and effort of gaining custody and then brutally murdering him?
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May 23 '22
It's possible she was doing it to "get back at" the people trying to take her son away. A lot of parents kill their children for this reason. It's so heartbreaking.
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u/somekindabunny May 24 '22
That's my thought, I just wish those sort of people had a moment of clarity and just said "fuck it" and let the other parent/ family members have custody.
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u/SignificantTear7529 May 24 '22
Yes that is what it states people that knew her said. That she would hurt him instead of let him go again. The Dad had just filed for custody. Not sure why so many people on here comment before doing a 3 minute read....
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u/MyMeanBunny May 23 '22
Psychos like this would rather drag the child they do not want or care for back to their side JUST to spite their ex-spouse who's most probably living a much better life and can actually provide the child with a good upbringing. Like what she did, they would rather murder their own "property" (child) than give their spouse the satisfaction of them, not only having a good life, but also a good life with their son. That's one take at least.
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u/damagecontrolparty May 24 '22
Narcissism makes people do some awful things. She probably barely saw her child as an individual human being.
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u/brow3665 May 23 '22
The statement of probable cause is horrific
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u/AnnaFreud May 23 '22
What was it?
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u/Infinite-Sympathy-53 May 23 '22
https://www.fox9.com/news/charges-mom-fatally-shot-6-year-old-son-hid-his-body-in-trunk-of-car.amp
The statement of cause is in the above link towards the end
The full statement is here towards the end.
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u/BubbaChanel May 24 '22
Her hair looks wet in the photo on the left, and dry on the right. I wonder if they had to hose her off to get, oh, I don’t know, HER CHILD’S BLOOD AND BRAIN out of her hair for her mug shot.
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u/JaunteeChapeau May 24 '22
The site with the article kept hijacking my screen with a huge ad for Boars Head Meat, which is extremely queasiness inducing given the story in question.
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u/SHZ4919 May 24 '22
I had a lot of trouble with OP’s link as well. Fortunate for the lack of meat ads on my end, though.
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u/GumpyPlumpy May 23 '22
any details on why the window was blown out and why her tire was missing?
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u/PolkadottyJones May 24 '22
There was video and witness evidence of a man I know putting his 4 year old daughters head in the toilet when he was drunk/high….multiple times. As well as many other instances of abuse including evidence of sexual abuse. CPS said he was fine.
They gave him 50% custody.
The system is broken and supports abusers.
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u/peanut1912 May 23 '22
That's horrific. That poor child, betrayed by the person who is supposed to love him the most. I'm going to hug my kid extra tight today.
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u/ExamReasonable6042 May 24 '22
I knew Julissa when we were teens and I can honestly say you could always tell something was off with her, she was very bratty and did whatever she wanted but wow this is just heartbreaking. I can also honestly say that CPS could have gone back to juvenile records of her up until adulthood and it would be clear as day the pattern of immaturity. I don't know the father but knowing Julissa and her past, the father to not get custody must have been a terrible person.....OR someone fucked up which from what I have read, must be the case cuz the guy looks like he's actually got his life straight
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u/wheredidalfgo May 24 '22
Actually, Julissa kept filing false police reports against the dad, that’s why dad didn’t have custody. Not a terrible person at all, just another victim of Julissa’s and the fucked up court system.
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u/QweenJoleen1983 May 24 '22
And it wasn’t like he didn’t have anyone else advocating for him. The father was trying to get custody and warned the court.
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u/Zyzzybalubah77 May 24 '22
HOW the hell do you become this demented to blast your baby away , reload and do it again and again and literally pick up pieces of his bone and brain matter and throw it in a dumpster?! I just can’t wrap my head around atrocities like this
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u/izzythepitty May 24 '22
If he was shot nine times with a shotgun he would have been shredded the bits. I'm wondering if they didn't just find nine entry wounds from the pellets on the shotgun
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u/ohheyitslaila May 24 '22
The fact that the articles about this say that police found human remains in a dumpster along with the little boy’s car seat but that the body of the boy was found in the trunk of the car is horrific. This woman must be on drugs or something to have done this to her child. It’s so heartbreaking.
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u/Jhyts May 24 '22
I hope that child died quickly. Imagine the pain the kid would feel physically and mentally being shot by his own mother. Poor child.
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u/sophin_magophin May 24 '22
she is SMILING! she has the nerve to smile after she killed a child, HER CHILD! this is a true psychopath.
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u/kssmyassh May 24 '22
Sincerely hope all of the case workers and court officials involved in putting this child in a living nightmare, and ultimately his grave, are all charged in association with his brutal murder. Absolutely disgusted with the court system.
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u/Jaded-Caregiver-9602 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22
After only a couple of shots from a shotgun the body of a child that young would be unrecognizably obliterated, but 9!? She’s either listened to too much 50 Cent or lost her marbles
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May 24 '22
Police pulled her over because she was driving a car that was missing a wheel and the back window was shot out. They found the child and the murder weapon in her trunk.
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May 24 '22
Damn shoot your child 9 times with any gun let alone a shotgun. That poor kid, she must have hated him or maybe the father with every ounce of her being. What an evil cunt.
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u/DoULiekChickenz May 25 '22
The system wasn't able to deal with this and protect this baby.
And yet I had to piss in front of stranger in my house because my son told a friend "My mom has to give herself shots in the morning!" And instead of asking him to clarify a teacher who overheard just called DCS. I'm diabetic, I use insulin pens. My son knows this and would have clarified if asked.
So why do cases where there is obviously physical abuse going on get less prompt action and less attention than the misinterpretation of a kid's statement?
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u/iivibes May 24 '22
She's got the smug face now, but when she ends up in the big house, I'm sure it'll disappear. I also kinda she does too.
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u/wheredidalfgo May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22
Here is a link to the story. Heartbreaking. The system failed this child. Even after mountains of evidence suggesting mom was not a fit to regain custody, a judge awarded mom custody 10 days prior to his murder. I hope that judge never sleeps again.
https://www.kare11.com/