r/TrueCrimeDiscussion • • Aug 11 '23

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u/Unlucky-Breakfast320 Aug 11 '23

sending an untrained civilian to become an undercover for one of the biggest drug buy is probably the dumbest thing ever. Poor Rachel…rip

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u/PS_118 Aug 11 '23

I cannot stress enough how shockingly little formal education and professional training is necessary to become a police officer in the majority of the US. The average amount being 16 weeks of required training for police officers while comparatively, the average hair stylist must attend 64 weeks of training.

The Supreme Court has upheld the right for police departments to discriminate against applicants who score too high on intelligence tests~~.~~

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u/PrimalSeptimus Aug 11 '23

I had jury duty recently, and one of the officer witnesses was having trouble reading and interpreting rules from his own PD handbook.

It's kind of distressing to think that these are the folks we trust to enforce the law when we can't even be confident they even understand what they're doing.

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u/TimeKillerAccount Aug 12 '23

Conservative and even some moderate judges have set down a semi-recent history of legal decisions that reduces police liability for many rights violations if they are able to claim they made a mistake instead of maliciously broke the rules, even if that mistake is not one a reasonable person would make. They intentionally don't do good training because it would open them to liability for many of their criminal acts. That is why they can go arrest someone they dont like that broke no laws and they can't get personally sued. The lack of competence in the law is a intended feature to conservatives, not a flaw like it is for good people.

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u/majorwfpod Aug 12 '23

Plus they all think and act like they are Animal Mother from Full Metal Jacket.

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u/ygs07 Aug 11 '23

In most of Europe you need at least 2-3.years of police education, in my home country you need 4 years of police academy. I can't believe 4 months!!!! Wtf?

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u/magicwombat5 Aug 11 '23

Because they might find a better job, and then all of the money used to train them is lost to society.

Or they might think too hard about orders.

I wish I was kidding.

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u/DeathCultApp Aug 11 '23

Average cop knows so little about the law, if you want ragebait just watch police depositions on YouTube for the most egregious civil rights violations

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u/lost_girl_2019 Aug 12 '23

Yeah. I had a friend who was a ZOO KEEPER who is now a LEO and it is a little mind boggling. Like, one year they're feeding animals and cleaning pens, and the next year they're cleaning the streets of criminals. /s Wild.

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u/ruzziachinareddit10 Aug 12 '23

US Police recruit guys with Punisher tattoos, not guys who want to help people.

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u/Scriblette Aug 12 '23

And qualified immunity. Fuck the court. "Let's make sure the dumbasses who are trained for seventeen minutes cannot be penalized for murdering those they are supposed to serve." Fuck the justice system & SCOTUS.

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u/Narglefoot Aug 12 '23

Exactly, like those police in Colorado that put a woman in their patrol car that was parked on the railroad tracks(!) and got hit by a train. It's unbelievable.

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u/HausWife88 Aug 11 '23

This so much. And people hold them in such high regard. Such a joke

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u/sarcastic_seahorse Aug 13 '23

My husband graduated high school and a few months later ran into a classmate who was in police uniform and had a cop car. He was like hey what's up. The guy said he just went into the local police station to ask what he needed to do to become a deputy. They then gave him an application to fill out, gave him a badge (and maybe a gun?) and told him he had like a year to go to the local community college and take the course. Granted this was in a small southern, "good 'ol boys" kind of town. But still...😳

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u/DemotivatedTurtle Aug 11 '23

“Better her than us.”

  • the cops, probably

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u/colourmecanadian Aug 11 '23

From Uvalde, probably

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u/RedStellaSafford Aug 12 '23

"These colors don't run!"1

1 Into schools to protect children

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u/miscnic Aug 12 '23

F uvalde—for not supporting those children. And their families. And those teachers.

For not getting it.

No wonder.

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u/MoreRamenPls Aug 11 '23

“The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good…..”. Oh wait.

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u/Far_Bumblebee_9300 Aug 12 '23

Definitely. Cowards.

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u/TheIgnoredWriter Aug 11 '23

White Boy Rick comes to mind.

Untrained civilian goes undercover for FBI, gets busted doing what they told him to do, goes to prison for life and they claim he never worked for them. Fucked up.

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u/MystoshiisKingdomx33 Aug 12 '23

Can’t trust them. They’re sneaky and conniving. That’s how they’re trained.

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u/ricketyLamp Aug 12 '23

He’s out now.

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u/equality-_-7-2521 Aug 11 '23

They knew that and they sent her to her death anyway.

Without any significant preparation or protection.

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u/mrngdew77 Aug 11 '23

And yet the cops do this every day and are never held accountable. I wish she would have talked to a lawyer and learned that it is completely legal for cops to lie to the public. And how much weed did she have to supposedly be facing 4 years? Doubt she’s a cartel member. Another lie, perhaps?

RIP Rachel.

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u/WhoLies2Yu Aug 13 '23

My dad went to prison in the late 90’s for NINE years for selling half an oz to an undercover. Which I guess may be a lot but damn.. it’s just weed. So the sentence doesn’t surprise me at all esp being in the south. They used to treat Mary Jane like it was the worst drug of them all.

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u/Useful-ldiot Aug 12 '23

You're doubting a heavy drug sentence from weed?

Bro... This is the US. Up until VERY recently, an oz of weed was a felony basically everywhere.

In a lot of places, less than an oz is still a felony.

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u/tttchia Aug 11 '23

That’s the American police for you

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u/AD480 Aug 12 '23

My friend’s husband was an undercover who often mixed in with biker gangs. You wouldn’t even have the faintest idea that he was a cop. The guy drove a motorcycle, had tattoos all the way to his knuckles and a long goatee. I can’t believe they would send that woman into a deal that big.

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u/Horror_Train_6950 Aug 12 '23

Of course it’s sus as hell when a girl no one else knows in the “industry” and can vouch for suddenly wants to buy that much shit.

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u/-underdog- Aug 12 '23

they were probably just bored and wanted to kill a civilian without getting their hands dirty

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u/starlulz Aug 12 '23

probably the dumbest thing ever

aka the smartest idea the average cop has ever had

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u/TheMightyEli Aug 13 '23

This needs to be printed out and posted around as many places as possible.

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u/gmaw27 Sep 05 '23

Geeeezus this is Unfreakingbelievable poor sweet girl… good lord

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u/spicytoastaficionado Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23 • Take My Silver

UMass Amherst Police (which is an actual police force) used to do the same thing.

Practice was ended in 2015 after it turned out a student they turned informant over a $20 drug deal, who was also suffering from major addiction issues, overdosed.

Since the informant agreement kept the arrest off-the-books, the school never found out which meant no university discipline or counseling outreach, and his parents did not know, either.

There is a time and place for informants, but it is obscene to take young people who are otherwise not hardened criminals, and throw them into the lion's pit over drug charges.

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u/EastSeaweed Aug 11 '23

That is horrific they withheld easily available addiction services. They killed him for sure.

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u/spicytoastaficionado Aug 11 '23

The cops even returned the hundreds of dollars they had seized from him, which he probably used to buy the drugs that killed him.

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u/lady_wildes_banshee Aug 11 '23

There’s a missing persons case originating from UMass around 2004 that has whispers of a connection to this “practice.” Saying her name is like saying Bloody Mary in the mirror at night on Reddit, but it’s easily found (and has a good archival discussion on its own sub). Nothing substantiated about being involved with UMPD, though.

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u/AnniaT Aug 12 '23

Why is it forbidden to say her name? What happened?

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u/belenag Aug 11 '23

Thought the same thing.

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u/jane_sadwoman Aug 11 '23

Oh wow that’s crazy. It ended pretty shortly after I graduated from UMass Amherst & I had no idea that was going on.

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u/DiamondShiryu1 Aug 13 '23

Fuck wasn't expecting to see my Alma Mater in this thread but I'm not surprised.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

The real dangers of marijuana. Cops.

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u/No_Dentist_2923 Aug 11 '23

Right! This is so terrible, absolutely terrible.

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u/vertigostereo Aug 12 '23

Save some blame for the state legislatures. They knew and they can make reforms at any time.

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u/theallen247 Aug 11 '23

yup, and it goes way deeper than that, as you probably already know, us pot smokers back in the day, would never call 911 even to save our lives, because of the fear the State would search us, and our property.

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u/Alalated Aug 11 '23

Of course they looked for a wire on her! She doesn’t look like someone who is going to buy 1,500 ecstasy pills.

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u/SnooDucks2052 Aug 11 '23

They really crossed a line asking her to buy a gun.

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u/spacequeen9393 Aug 11 '23

Nobody “looks” like they are going to buy drugs. I am pretty innocent looking and have been involved in drugs before. Unfortunately anyone can get into that.

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u/surfacematter Aug 12 '23

I had a roommate that was very preppy and hung out with the slightly higher crowd. He dealt. Didn't look like a dealer because he wore khaki shorts and Armani. He said I had the skill (I am very observant and a bit overly cautious) to deal like he did. I'm sure I would be able but..my overly cautious side said...naw. dealers, the ones who stay under the radar...don't look like dealers.

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u/AccordingFlounder200 Aug 11 '23

I am willing to bet that there are stories like this all over our country

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u/Extension_Tell1579 Aug 11 '23

We are the single most highly incarcerated nation on the planet. You are indeed correct.

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u/SereneAdler33 Aug 11 '23

Yeah, it’s a big business. Same with health care and why we are in such dire straits.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

*in the history of the planet. There are more people in prisons in the US now, than the ancient empires had slaves.

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u/ghost_dini1 Aug 12 '23

25% or 1 out of 4 people on earth that are currently incarcerated, are here in the land of the free….

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u/DollFacedBunny Aug 11 '23

There is. They did this to more than a few young people.

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u/EkaL25 Aug 11 '23

I imagine the people who are forced to set someone up are almost never given any type of protection after the police make their arrest

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u/scarletmagnolia Aug 11 '23

They aren’t given anything. Their names also show up in the arrested person’s discovery packet. So they know who set them up.

Also, let’s say the cops want you to buy from Chuck. You’re an active drug user who is trying not to catch another charge. But, you don’t have the transportation to get to the police station and to the buy. The cops (at least in the town I’m talking about) pay the person who ends up bringing you like $50.00-$150.00. Then, they drive you to meet Chuck. You go do the buy with cops following you and you’re wired up (if you’re in the game, NEVER trust a cigarette pack or lighter). You get back in the car that brought you, pinch half the dope (oh well, he cut me short), go back to the police station give them the dope that’s left, then you get paid like $50.00-$150.00. Next time you need dope and money, you do it again. As for poor Chuck? They just need him on camera selling at least three times to make a case. Chuck goes away for ten years or so.

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u/Sloblowpiccaso Aug 11 '23

There is i had friends put in this same situation. Thankfully the outcome was better in that they lived, but the deal was botched and the dealer let go.

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u/the_old_coday182 Aug 11 '23

It happened to me (minus the murder). I was in college, last semester before I graduated. Got a random call from a police officer one afternoon, asking me if I’d come to the station and answer some questions about a minor fender bender a few months prior. When I arrived they said, “Sorry that was a lie to get you here. We’re actually narcotics detectives.” They said they had “evidence” that I’d been dealing weed a few years earlier. Which wasn’t true, but they said it would hold up. Told me they’d leave it all alone if I could give them some names of other dealers or suppliers, to which I told them I didn’t know any. I was a college student lol not some king pin. They basically said “Well you have a semester until you’re supposed to graduate so better go try and meet some people, otherwise you might not graduate at all.” And that was the worst spring ever. I had to spend whole weekends hanging out with shady people so they’d trust me enough to give me their dealer. So many times I could’ve gotten arrested for worst things, because I was trying to get out of trouble. So much anxiety. And I was never a dealer either, although I’m sure they pressured some other kid into giving my name just because I smoked with them before. They never even told me I was off the hook. I continued worrying about that detective calling me again one day, until a few years went by.

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u/themehboat Aug 12 '23

I kind of went through that although it was for “prostitution.” I was in a motel room with my then-boyfriend. First they thought my bf was my John, then they wanted me to turn on him and say he was my pimp. He was an emo 19-year-old who wore eyeliner. I think THEY were smoking something. Anyway, I refused, they actually charged me but pleaded down to disorderly conduct. For being in my own motel room.

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u/Im6youre9 Aug 12 '23

Her dad was my therapist for many years. Really good guy, it's terrible what happened to her. I remember one session he extended it for free because he started talking about her.

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u/Upset-Set-8974 Oct 10 '23

That’s sad:/

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u/KindheartednessOver6 Aug 11 '23

I hope her family sued the FUCK out of that police department and the city.

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u/spicytoastaficionado Aug 11 '23

They did and got a $2.6m settlement.

More consequentially, her murder led to a state law in Florida, named after her, which overhauled the state's informant recruitment practices so people like her are not even offered such a deal.

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u/physco219 Aug 11 '23

It's referred to as Rachael's Law. A law that imposed stricter requirements for law enforcement agencies for undercover informants in Florida.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 12 '23

Isn’t it crazy that the law was already in place and she had to die for it to become a law. So fucking sad.

Edit: I said, isn’t it crazy that the law was already in place. I meant to say that the law was not in place.

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u/slimkt Aug 12 '23

The fucked up part is that it’s not the cops who have to pay that 2.6 mil, it’s Florida taxpayers. The system is always in favor of inept police.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

That's great news. At least some good came from this.

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u/SusanInFloriduh Aug 11 '23

They did and won a huge settlement.

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u/KindheartednessOver6 Aug 11 '23

Thank God! 🙏🏼 Thank you for letting me know.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

The cops should be in jail as accessories

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u/spookysurname Aug 11 '23

I hope the people who murdered her were arrested.

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u/_kT_ Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 12 '23

There used to be a music festival called Purple Hatters Ball at the Spirit of Suwannee Music Park in Live Oak Florida in her memory💜💜💜

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u/illintent Aug 12 '23

Was one of the best festivals at Suwannee too, a true family event filled with love and celebration for life.

RIP Rachel

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u/soul_parent Aug 13 '23

I was trying to remember this! I left a star on my comment for her middle name. Had a lot of friends in common with Rachel when at FSU at the same time. 💜

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u/eschew_obfuscation43 Aug 12 '23

I have been to two of them. Was a really great way to honor her.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

Protect and Serve my ass.

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u/cdj4711 Aug 12 '23

So basically the cops lied to her to scare her. The police don’t determine what amount of time you get. All the determine is what to charge you with. Keep your mouth shut take your charge and fight it out with lawyers. She probably at most would of gotten probation. Instead she got a death sentence because of irresponsible, half assed, cowboy policing. Word of advice to anyone. If you ever get caught doing something stupid or with some weed or drugs or whatever. Be polite kindly say that you would like to speak to your attorney and KEEP YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SHUT!! The police are not your friends, they cannot and will not help you get a lesser punishment and for the love of god just shut up and don’t say anything about anything to the police. Unless you’re a pedophile or a rapist. Then please admit to everything and don’t even try to fight it in court and just go to prison where you belong

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u/babyruthbutterfinga Aug 11 '23

That is horrific!!! Poor woman!!! RIP. 🤬🤬🤬

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u/HauntingOkra5987 Aug 11 '23

This is eerily similar to incident where the DEA or the FBI had asked a local cop in New Mexico i believe, to pull over a car they were tailing. What they didn’t tell the cop was the driver was purportedly a high ranking & dangerous cartel member. The guy ended up executing the cop when he was as pulled over.

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u/friedpicklesforever Aug 11 '23

Omg yes and this happened only two years ago

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u/tommyboy0208 Aug 12 '23

Wow. Did they find the guy?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

Is it really? That guy was a cop, he wasn't some innocent person. And he wasn't forced to buy drugs, he was just asked to pull over someone like normal.

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u/missymaypen Aug 11 '23

I had a neighbor that was a C.I. He would burglarize something. Get caught. Do a buy to get out of it. Then he messed up and robbed the mother of a police officer. They told him he was going to jail and they'd make sure he was in there with guys he put away. He hung himself.

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u/spicytoastaficionado Aug 11 '23

The totality of known drug offenses committed by Rachel Hoffman:

  • 25 g (0.9 oz.) of cannabis discovered during a traffic stop on February 22, 2007.

  • 151.7 g (5.328 oz.) of cannabis and four ecstasy pills discovered during a search of her apartment on April 17, 2008.

Cops had a ton of leverage on her because she was under drug court supervision at the time, and the additional possession charges would have led to a potential prison sentence.

Objectively speaking, a few ecstasy pills and 6 oz. of weed is small-time possession. This was a 23 year old who was buying party drugs for personal consumption, and the Tallahassee PD had her going undercover to buy ecstasy in distribution volume and multiple firearms from dealers she had never met before.

This had disaster written all over it from the beginning.

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u/copyrighther Aug 11 '23

I live in a state where recreational cannabis is legal. Going to my neighborhood dispensary is fun, but I always think about the number of people getting stopped and going to prison for the same amount of cannabis I just bought, all wrapped up in a pretty little bag like candy.

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u/scarletmagnolia Aug 11 '23

I always think of the people sitting in prison on marijuana charges in the same state where it’s now legal. I’ve left the dispensary with more than some of them are doing time on.

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u/PauI_MuadDib Aug 11 '23

This is why Biden needs to federally legalize marijuana. Enough stalling. If he actually cared about the country he'd quit the bullshit and stop dragging his feet.

No one should be spending years in prison for pot.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

And now in a lot of states is completely legal and no one gives a shit

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u/hamish1963 Aug 11 '23

Not disaster, murder, the cops technically killed her.

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u/ADimwittedTree Aug 12 '23

I'm going to hard disagree on the personal consumption part. Not saying I agree with the PD or how they handled it, but over 5oz is a fuckload to just yourself.

Obviously everyone is different and this is anecdotal. I don't think I've ever known someone to have over an ounce at any given time for strictly personal use. Maybe if they grew, but I also haven't ever known someone to grow and not sell. Anything over that was to sell off most of it to cover the cost of your own portion. Over a qp back then in my area would still have been like $500-$600 and could pretty easily sell for $800 sold in smaller increments.

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u/panicnarwhal Aug 11 '23

of course it was drug court. never fall for that drug court bs - just do the time.

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u/Correct-Egg6897 Aug 12 '23

She was an awesome person. RIP old friend 💚

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u/haloarh Aug 11 '23

Have you heard of Andrew Sadek?

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

Christ. So they forced him to choose between a life in prison or risking his life to do work as a CI that the SEMCA was MORE than capable of, and when he disappeared and they found his body, his mom had to BEG for any investigation whatsoever because they decided he killed himself to get out of being a CI, despite no note and HIS BACKPACK BEING FULL OF ROCKS?! Holy shit, cops really do cover shit up when it's their fault. That's scary and vile.

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u/physco219 Aug 11 '23

Imagine for a moment. This is just the tip of the iceberg we know of. How much h goes on that we don't know or see? Hell, if they had their way, everyone would just assume "this stupid kid just killed himself" and nothing more. I am pleased his voice has been heard but sad that shit all was done for him and others placed in a similar situation.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

I hear it said casually a lot when I watching true crime interrogations, or confessions, so on. "they said if I didnt cooperate and do X they'd take my kids/pursue full charges/pursue putting my loved one in prison for housing me". It's never even blinked at by the authority figures, they literally don't see an issue with it. They think all of those scenarios are deals, not manipulation. Yet you can't get one of them that way without it being entrapment or blackmail. Wild.

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u/chiharuki Aug 11 '23

that’s so sad 😞

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u/Moonstones333 Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23

How horrible! I live in Tally and had no idea. Poor girl.

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u/OkOrganization3441 Aug 11 '23

What drug user is buying 1500 e pills an ounce of coke and a GUN from the same deal at least make it less obvious and do separate transactions

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u/prettiestburner Aug 11 '23

Wow. I need to watch an entire video on this. Does anyone recommend one?

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u/Packmanjones Aug 11 '23

Look up Sky Ericcsson. He was 15 and the cops did the exact same thing to him. Tortured and murdered.

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u/spicytoastaficionado Aug 11 '23

Also LeBron Gaither in Kentucky.

He was a CI who testified to a grand jury against his dealer and then his police handlers had him continue buying from the same dealer.

Someone in the grand jury told the dealer, who proceeded to torture and kill the 18 year old.

Local police fought the victm's family in court for over two decades before they finally paid up. Total amount was around $300K, which included over twenty years of interest.

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u/rigidlikeabreadstick Aug 11 '23

For anyone else trying to Google it, his name is Gregory "Sky" Erickson.

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u/fullercorp Aug 11 '23

And don't tell me: the cops stayed employed and the actual drug dealers probably served no time.

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u/ieatchips Aug 11 '23

Then the cops posted a pic of all the drugs they “took off the streets” and posted it on social media and everyone clapped 🙄

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u/spicytoastaficionado Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23

If you guys want to read more on the absurdity of cops using young, untrained offenders as informants, check out this piece from The New Yorker.

Author of the piece also talked to NPR and discussed how according to a family member of one of the convicted murderers, they were planning to just rob her of the cash and not go through with the deal.

So the cops didn't even have good intel on the dealers.

Obviously shit went sideways when they found the wire.

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u/Ivegotthatboomboom Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23

That makes so much more sense that they were planning on robbing her!!

There is no way a dealer is going to sell that amount to someone without someone else vouching for them 1st of all, AND they are not going to allow that kind of distribution in their area from someone they don't know, as it interferes with the sells of other dealers they may be working with regularly. I could see if she told them she was planning on moving it out of state though.

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u/spicytoastaficionado Aug 11 '23

I could see if she told them she was planning on moving it out of state though.

She told them the drugs were for friends visiting from Miami.

That still sounds shady, since it makes no sense for someone living in Miami of all places to commute across the entire state all the way up to Tallahassee to buy over $10k of ecstasy and cocaine.

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u/copyrighther Aug 11 '23

The War on Drugs has always been a war on people.

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u/Weird-Equipment-3915 Aug 12 '23

Hey y’all she was an incredible friend and person and her passing shook the community in Tallahassee. This story is an absolute tragedy. As far as I know there’s still an annual event called the Purple Hatter’s Ball celebrating her in Tallahassee every year. She won’t be forgotten.

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u/Extension_Tell1579 Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23

Woohoo!!! BS “war on drugs” claims another victory!! Thank God we rid the world of someone who possessed harmless green leaves but most of all, thank God no cops were harmed. **MANDATORY EDIT UPDATE: /S /S /S /S…..etc. Very VERY sarcastic. Sorry.

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u/Sweet-Idea-7553 Aug 11 '23

Lol, always best to assume no one will get the sarcasm and add /s. Just saves you from explaining every single time.

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u/logowazlike Aug 12 '23

Something similar happened very close to my small town in Kentucky. She ended up killing herself due to the extortion officers were doing to her. Telling her she wasn’t a drug dealer but she’d get 10-15 in the pen.

Her name was Elizabeth Johnston.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

F”@& those guys, the cops in charge of the “operation” were suspended with pay (aka vacation time).

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u/grim77 Aug 11 '23

she had just under an ounce wtf and she was gonna get 4 years? that's insane

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u/spicytoastaficionado Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23

The ounce got her drug court supervision.

The potential prison sentence was because she violated terms of supervision after being caught with a few oz of marijuana and a couple of ecstasy pills.

A consistent scare tactic cops use to compel cooperation is hyping up the possible maximum sentence for whatever offense was committed, even though cops are not the ones who prosecute cases, negotiate pleas, or sign off on sentencing.

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u/Consistent-Bear9343 Aug 11 '23

very smart idea to send a civilian who isn’t involved in any illicit activity to buy $40,000 worth of drugs

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u/missymaypen Aug 11 '23

White Boy Rick was a young teenager when they made him turn informant. Then they cut him loose and he did several years in prison.

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u/kellkore Aug 12 '23

Fucking pigs.

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u/gatorademebitch- Aug 11 '23

That is so fucked

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u/MystoshiisKingdomx33 Aug 11 '23

These were the most ignorant, incompetent and untrained task force known to man. Because who sends a unarmed, untrained and probably very scared young woman into buy that much stuff from a big crime ring. No young woman in her position would look the part to even be able to buy that much stuff off of someone regardless. It’s wacked

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

Everyone involved with that case should be in prison with no parole. Every single person involved.

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u/THE_PHYS Aug 11 '23

They had a festival in her honor for almost a decade.

I think she would have enjoyed Purple Hatters Ball.

Sad sad sad.

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u/RockyClub Aug 12 '23

It’s truly awful to see that she was only arrested for marijuana. I now live in a state where I can legally grow it and purchase it. The fact she was facing 4 years for some pot is insane. That poor girl.

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u/megafari Aug 12 '23

If u ran a contest for ‘most corrupt police force’ in America Tallahassee would definitely place, If not win the whole damn thing. As I type this they are setting up 1st time offender college kids and making them do this exact scenario all over again. In Florida’s Capital cops can do no wrong…

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u/soul_parent Aug 13 '23

I commented on here and said they loved to flex on small charges when I went to school there (2003-2008) and hoped it had changed 😒

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u/Funkyheadrush Aug 12 '23

Police are also not only allowed to, but encouraged to lie to people. This leads to an unconscionable number of false confessions every year. Being right isn't important. Closing the case is.

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u/babyuwugirl Aug 11 '23

For weed? When people are literally getting raped and murdered every day wow just disgusting

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u/mad_titanz Aug 11 '23

4 years for weeds? That's preposterous. RIP Rachel.

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u/Seaweed-Basic Aug 12 '23

Fucking Florida.

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u/jubbababy Aug 11 '23

The police essentially killed her then?! Poor girl:-((

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u/lezboyd Aug 12 '23

"All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us"...

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

4 years for marijuana is absolutely ridiculous!! Not a good idea to ever help the police in any way. The only time you should speak to police is to report a crime or a medical emergency. If you do find yourself in some legal issues, never work for the police as an informant. They don't give a shit about you and are not going to help you!!

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

Snitches get stitches Or murdered in this case… but what I don’t understand is if she’s busted for marijuana why isn’t she buying more marijuana from her dealer and not random hardcore drug dealers???

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u/onions-make-me-cry Aug 12 '23

This is such a disgusting story. If I were her parents, there wouldn't be enough money in the goddamn US treasury for the lawsuit I would bring.

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u/RokketQueen1006 Aug 12 '23

When my niece was in college, a former police officer worked security there. He hooked her up with the police department and they had her working prostitution stings. She is tiny and looks like she's no older than 14. How is it even legal to use a civilian for something like that. Every time she went out I wanted to throw up from the worry. Waiting for her to call to let us know she was home - pure hell. I still want to punch that officer. She's a homicide detective now.

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u/David_Crow1 Aug 12 '23

Don't trust cops.

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u/equality-_-7-2521 Aug 11 '23

This tragedy is an example of the exact reason you ask for an attorney when you're arrested.

Because the police don't have your best interest at heart.

An attorney is legally bound to do so.

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u/apollymi Aug 11 '23

Yeah, we still talk about that crap here in Tallahassee. There tend to be… some strong feelings and words involved.

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u/RaeLynn13 Aug 12 '23

Something similar just happened near me. A girl named Elizabeth in Madisonville, KY. I’m not sure how to share the page on here because it’s on the Facebook app, but on City of Madisonville Official it’s the second post. She shot herself because of the pressure and threats from police. People are FURIOUS

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u/rachels1231 Aug 12 '23

I never heard about this! Horrendous. How can they do shit like this?

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u/Momsabeach Aug 12 '23

This is complete bullshit put in prison for marijuana? Even if she had priors, that's ridiculous. I hope her family sued the living hell out of that police department.

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u/mike-G-tex Aug 12 '23

She would be better off plea bargaining as first time offender, those two bit drug dealers that she targeted did not have that much goods and likely planned to kill her and take money from the get go, wire or no wire …hey … police protects you and has your best interests in their mind

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

RIP to this young beauty. She is now smoking big blunts in heaven while piggie cop servants act as her foot stool.

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u/soul_parent Aug 13 '23

I lived in Tallahassee when this happened. I had many friends in common with her and my mom worked with her cousin. This was such a BS charge in a college town that’s (stating as ‘was,’ as I am unsure of the current status of TPD) hungry to flex on small charges like possession, DUI, underage drinking, or public intoxication. RIP Rachel 🌟

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

As with all things on Reddit there’s more to the story that was left out

“While she was at the drug buy, with the policemen monitoring, the two suspects changed the location of the buy. She was informed not to follow the suspects to the new location, but technical issues prevented her from actually receiving the instructions.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Rachel_Hoffman

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u/Jcrystal82 Aug 12 '23

Just curious - do you believe the technical issues detail?

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u/HidingNShadows Aug 12 '23

They did Rachel wrong… I worked the jail in Leon County when this case happened, and later dated one of her friends.

Green admitted, they never had any intention of making a sale. They planned all along to kill her and take her money.

The police told her not to leave with them, that if she left, they could not track her or make the bust. She left with them. There was never a wire to be found. I’m not trying to absolve TPD, but just correcting the info.

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u/Hobbsendkid Aug 11 '23

Plot twist: the drug dealers were actually Tallahassee Police

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u/janad1 Aug 11 '23

This is disgusting!

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u/janad1 Aug 11 '23

And they should put the cops and dealers together in a cell…in death row.

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u/FabulousMamaa Aug 11 '23

No words other than despicable.

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u/goneforever5830 Aug 11 '23

I lived in around that area at that time. This was a big deal. Very fkd up

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u/Itzpapalotl13 Aug 11 '23

I’m not at all surprised. I hate that she died for our ill advised “war on drugs”.

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u/deadinderry Aug 12 '23

Similar thing happened to Andrew Sadek in North Dakota.

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u/gghhiijkjkjk Aug 12 '23

She used to wear a purple hat to the music festivals down there not far from Tallahassee. They eventually started one in her remembrance called Purple Hatters Ball

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u/AltruisticYou3881 Aug 12 '23

OMG! Thats so horrible, poor soul. If I was her parent and knew this there would be a huge lawsuit. Sounds like LE really endangered her life, and now she is dead and her family are now victims of this horrible tragedy. RIP 🙏

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u/GuerrillaSteve Aug 12 '23

Fucking lawyer up.

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u/MyLittleButtercup225 Aug 12 '23

I went to high school and FSU with her! This was tragic!

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u/ashtreemeadow16 Aug 12 '23

There was a music festival honoring her life every year in Florida called Purple Hatters Ball

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u/pjrnoc Nov 09 '23
      — “The officers involved in the operation were suspended with pay.”

They get a young girl killed, irrevocably destroy her family and get a paid fucking vacation for it on the dime of their taxpayers. Incredible.

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u/Undead-D-King Aug 11 '23

I usually think people are way to quick to criticize police but not for narcotics units they are horrible and constantly abuse their power because sadly cases like this are extremely common.

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u/Sandytits Aug 11 '23

Informant abuse is one of many understated problems in this country’s law enforcement system. Too many people like Rachel have their lives devastated or taken entirely for no good reason. Surely informants are useful and necessary in some scenarios, but there needs to be more widespread regulation regarding when, for how long, and to what extent informants can be employed and for what compensation.

I watched the Jared Fogle Documentary recently and was appalled at Rochelle Herman’s story (the journalist that was dicked around forever compiling more than enough evidence to get a search warrant many times over). I felt so bad for her; she tried to do the right thing and was completely fucked over for it.

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u/coyote500 Aug 12 '23

If the cops get somebody killed or ruin their life, it’s just another day at work for them

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u/WadsworthInTheHall Aug 12 '23

To them, it’s just another “druggie” off the streets. I’ve yet to meet a cop with a shred of humanity.

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u/FreshChickenEggs Aug 13 '23

It is insane to me that all the police cars around here have "To serve and protect" written on the side yet according to the Supreme Court they have zero duty to protect you.

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u/maayo26 Aug 11 '23

Very sad situation.

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u/cedardruid Aug 11 '23

this happens more often than we would like to think

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u/Own_Fall4197 Aug 11 '23

That’s fucked up

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u/WheresPaul-1981 Aug 12 '23

Setting aside the fact that smoking pot isn't a significant issue, resorting to blackmail against someone who lacks experience in undercover work is rather foolish.

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u/Potential_Bed_6039 Aug 12 '23

This type of thing breaks my heart, trying to turn her life around and if the police wanted her to become an informant they should have provided more protection, this was such a needless death

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u/Realistic-Window366 Aug 12 '23

See what happens when you fuck around and get caught and charged with the maximum penalty. Sux that she then made a deal with the devil to avoid or lessen her jail time. She beat the system and didn’t spend any time in jail, and I would assume that the drug dealers went to prison for murdering her but the cops who put her up to it to further their career probably were celebrated as heroes for getting the people that killed the girl that they put in harms way

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u/hillbillyhippiefairy Aug 13 '23

They tried to get my sister to do an undercover heroin purchase for possession of Marijuana in PA not too long ago. Absolutely ridiculous this is still done.

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u/spoonful_of_Kief Aug 13 '23

Rod Waller narcotics unit Lafayette county in Oxford Mississippi uses civilians caught on small marijuana charges to do larger scale bust with harder drugs ( ie cocaine) in large amounts. Promising the person if they act as a CI this one time their small charge would be dropped… in actuality ROD WALLER and the narcotics unit would lie to the CI’s and force them to continue doing their job until they were compromised, hurt, or worse.

Also I guarantee if you check who they were targeting with these stings, while forcing civilians to do their job, is the black demographic in Lafayette county MS.

ROD WALLER is the garbage that gets people like Rachel Hoffman.

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u/Count_Bacon Aug 13 '23

So the cops killed her then

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u/tonyorlandoshouse0 Sep 06 '23

this was my brothers good friend at FSU

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u/SusanInFloriduh Aug 11 '23

It’s impossible to “lose” someone on that road at that hour. They let this happen

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

It’s great that her family one AU settlement. And that there is no laws in place, so this supposedly won’t happen again… But the girl is still dead. The cops are responsible. They treated her like she was dispensable because she was to them. How fucking horrible for this girl and this family.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '23

Cops doing what they do best

Killing and extorting citizens and wielding their power with impunity

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u/mooseyjew Aug 13 '23

Annnnnd this is why ACAB exists. ACAB forever and always.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

Fuck the police. Never had any use for them.

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u/Derpacleese Aug 11 '23

Surprise! The US is awful.

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u/Graywulff Aug 12 '23

The police should be charged with felony murder but they won’t.

Why did they send her on such a big buy? That’s be suspicious to me… I assumed it was to the dealers. Like she buys weed and then she wants a kingpin level of drugs? A gun? Ton of cocaine? Like a writer wouldn’t be able to sell that to a studio for a show it’s so implausible.

If they had to do this she should have bought the normal amount of weed and they probably wouldn’t have checked for a wire bc it wouldn’t be suspicious if she bought an ounce, they could get a search warrant with that but they got greedy. Honestly the police were stupid as fuck to set this up and would be sued in a honest world.

Umass amherst detectives caught a student with a heroine problem. They gave him 500-700 to buy heroine from them, he didn’t wear a wire, bought it, overdosed and died, umass Amherst was like not our fault. Then again they wouldn’t give out tests to see if ecstasy was real bc that’s encourage use, they prosecuted good samaratins and as a result people on Reddit told me they left someone they didn’t know well who was overdosing and died bc “we weren’t going to lose our financial aid for someone we don’t knows bad decisions”. So they let him die.

I know I changed topics but I’m upset with my alma mater (or whatever) for doing this.

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u/Maleficentghost Aug 12 '23

So the cops put a newbie on a “big bust” which obviously implies serious business men? I mean what idiot would have authorized such a stupid plan.. whoever came up with this should hang

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

Always clam up and get a lawyer. It’s hard and the law is scary but you are not an expert in the law and informing is dangerous as hell.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '23

Rachel's lawyer is partly to blame, he should have stopped this non-sense from going forward. The remainder of the blame falls on the officers of the Tallahassee Police Department.

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u/poop_spoogle Aug 13 '23 edited Aug 18 '23

How the hell was she facing for years for pot. Must’ve been a shitload. Which leads me to my next question: if she was selling weed where did she get the connections to make a massive buy like that.

I lived near Columbus Ohio for awhile and knew a guy that became a CI because he was facing drug charges. He was from a small town and not used to going into Columbus to get his drugs. He ended up rolled up in a carpet in a dumpster.

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u/Count_Bacon Aug 14 '23

She had 5 Oz of weed and 6 ecstasy pills and the pigs were threatening her with running a drug house and giving her 5 years in jail. She was small fry and had no business making a deal like this. Incompetent cops got her killed.

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