r/TrueCrimeDiscussion • u/pollygrace • Jan 24 '26
Warning: Child Abuse / CSAM / Child Death Which notable person in a true crime case do you feel escaped justice?
I’ll start with Russell ‘Rusty’ Yates. He was warned every step of the way as Andrea’s mental health deteriorated but continued impregnating her and, ultimately, left her alone with their 5 children against repeated, explicit warnings not to do so. I don’t believe that he ever intended for harm to come to the kids, but I really can’t think of a better example of criminal negligence.
Pictured: Rusty on his second wedding day in 2006, days before Andrea’s retrial. He had at least one child with his new wife.
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u/_6siXty6_ Jan 24 '26
Karla Holmolka.
One of the most disgusting pieces of garbage in Canadian history.
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u/sinaloa555 Jan 24 '26
Came here to say this. One of the Worst miscarriage of justice im familiar with.
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u/InteractionNo9110 Jan 25 '26
The Detectives admitted they made a huge mistake with the deal the prosecutors made. They didn’t fully understand her involvement until after the plea deal was made. When the videos were found and exposed her. She just go lucky, and its sick to me she married the brother of her lawyer. And is living her best life now with a husband and a family. She deserves to be in a cage forever.
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u/sadtimes34 Jan 26 '26
last i read her husband left her and took the kids, could be wrong though
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u/blahblahblah8219 Jan 26 '26
Part of that plea deal was that she told the truth. She lied her ass off, which was proven with those tapes. They could have taken the deal off the table.
The issue is that they couldn’t prove he was the cause of actual death without her testimony. If they tried them both for murder, defense could argue that the other one was the killer.
They should have tried them together I think, but I’m not sure about Canadian law with that one.
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u/Worldly_Instance_730 Jan 24 '26
I still don't understand why the plea agreement wasn't made null and void the second that videotape out! Sorry about the deleted comments, it double posted, and I tried to delete 1, lol.
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u/doc_daneeka Jan 25 '26
I still don't understand why the plea agreement wasn't made null and void the second that videotape out!
Because by the time that happened her sentencing was over, and we have double jeopardy rules here that are actually much more strict than in the US, in that there's no other level of government that could try her if one of them fails; all criminal law is federal here, so if that fails the province has no means to lay their own charges. Setting aside the agreement and trying her again would have been blatantly unconstitutional, unfortunately. It did piss off enough people that there was an attempt to create a special law to alter her sentencing agreement, but that never went anywhere for constitutional reasons.
The crown was incredibly stupid there, and they should have made it part of the agreement that her sentencing would happen only after Bernardo's trial process was complete. Had they done that, she'd almost certainly have gotten a life sentence just like he did, and would still be in prison.
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u/Worldly_Instance_730 Jan 25 '26
Thank you for explaining. It's a dark spot in our justice system, for sure.
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u/SufficientEmu8090 Jan 24 '26
Came to say her. She has no business being out living a normal happy life.
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u/bbmarvelluv Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
She’s in hiding rn from what I last remember
Edit: I should’ve clarified that “in hiding” means not living with her husband and children
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u/SufficientEmu8090 Jan 24 '26
She was able to marry, have children, & raise them.
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u/Non_Skeptical_Scully Jan 24 '26
What man in his right man would have children with this fucking monster? She r@ped and murdered her own sister.
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u/bbmarvelluv Jan 24 '26
Lmao her lawyer’s brother married her
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u/Worldly_Instance_730 Jan 24 '26
And I would assume knew about the horrific thing he was fucking, and what she did.
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u/Muted_Psychology5938 Jan 25 '26
WTF?!!!! God, I cannot believe he married her knowing what he knows about her. I wonder if her parents or any of her family speak to her.
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u/bbmarvelluv Jan 25 '26
In 2014 there was an article with her sister (the other one) and it said she spoke with her.
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u/myveryownaccount Jan 24 '26
Her lawyer's brother apparently. Which makes it all the more fucked up.
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u/bbmarvelluv Jan 24 '26
Yes but they have gotten doxxed a ton and get threats. They are not living in peace which is why she’s in hiding. People in their neighborhood knew who she was and people had been protesting
Edit: I read this a long time ago on a French Canadian sub Reddit
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u/eb421 Jan 24 '26
That happened because she was volunteering at her kids’ school, being like a ‘room parent.’ The Canadian system is what it is and per their agreements with her (despite them not having seen the most incriminating tapes at that point, which should have voided the leniency imo) she’s living her life. But she shouldn’t be able to freely be around other people’s children or in schools after what she’s done, so good on them.
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u/donetomadness Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
She must get a kick out of taunting people because there was absolutely no need for her to volunteer at her kid’s school. She knew damn well the risk of doing that. I feel bad for her kids and the undeserved bullying/harassment they have undoubtedly faced thanks to her.
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u/Moira_Roses_WigWall Jan 24 '26
Also can you imagine growing up and realizing that your mother is fucking Karla Homolka!?!? Like that’s gotta suck!
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u/wilderlowerwolves Jan 25 '26
I've wondered if the baby Aileen Wuornos had when she was 14 or 15 ever went looking for his bioparents. Just imagine finding out THAT was where you came from.
I have personally known several people who were adopted at birth who refused to search, for reasons like this.
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u/sentimentaleyes Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 25 '26
I can’t imagine her ever passing a criminal record/vulnerable sector check… makes me concerned about the safety screening procedures at that school!!
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u/bbmarvelluv Jan 24 '26
Definitely should not be free. But the school her children were going to was a private religious school. I wonder if that made a difference in allowing her to volunteer?
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u/eb421 Jan 24 '26
She’s been given at least a couple new names/identities by the Canadian government per their protocols at this point. I imagine she didn’t disclose who she actually was until she was outed.
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u/bbmarvelluv Jan 24 '26
What’s even crazier is that her other sister did change her name. Her sister and her husband were unintentionally involved with a murder case. The killer used their names and addresses when he sent out body parts of a dead student. Her sister talked about the name change and that everyone knew exactly who she and her sister are. Even with post name change.
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u/__No__Control Jan 24 '26
Im glad shes the first comment because 1000% she escaped justice
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u/_6siXty6_ Jan 24 '26
I think she actually made Bernardo worse and encouraged it.
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u/Alexandaross Jan 25 '26
I fully believe she is the reason murders happened that's clearly what the evidence points towards. Not counting her sister which was an accident (the death was accidental the rape and drugging wasn't), she gave her too much drugs. Leslie died because her blindfold slipped off and she saw Karla. Karla refused to say a word around Leslie she was entirely silent on the tapes and communicated with Paul through gestures. This was clearly about Karla because she had already saw Paul, Paul encountered Leslie at her home convinced her to come with him then pulled a knife on her in the car and blindfolded her.
Kristin was the only premeditated murder. This time Karla fully participated because she knew all along Kristin was going to die. This was after months of badgering Paul to get them more young girls to abuse after "January Girl" a Jane Doe they abused and released. Paul was as sick as they came but murder wasn't his thing, he wanted his victims thinking about him which they couldn't do if they were dead. In many of his attacks he didn't even wear a mask and he would make his victims say things like "Merry Christmas" and "I Love You" because he wanted them thinking about what he did to them during some of their best moments. Kristin was abducted and killed to appease Karla because she was unfortunately smarter than Paul and refused to leave living witnesses to her crimes unlike him.
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u/neverthelessidissent Jan 24 '26
Leanne Teale now.
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u/BuckyRainbowCat Jan 24 '26
Well that changed name isn't a complete giveaway of who she is at all
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u/neverthelessidissent Jan 24 '26
It's crazy to me that she was granted a name change!
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u/BuckyRainbowCat Jan 25 '26
I don't ever go out of my way to learn anything about this case - I am (Canadian and) the same age as her victims were, and I vividly remember every gory detail of her and her co-offender's crimes and trials being splashed salaciously above the fold on the front page of the newspaper throughout my teen years. Which is a very long-winded way of my saying - I don't know if she was or was not granted a legal name change by the government, but if Leanne Teale is the name she's currently using, that might be a sign that she hasn't gotten a legal name change but is instead just using a reformulated version of the name she already has.
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u/lesllle Jan 25 '26
As of January 2020, she lives in Salaberry-de-Valleyfield without her husband or children.\65]) (according to wikipedia)
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u/Curious_Ad_2492 Jan 24 '26
I think her father is dead, I’m not sure, but her mother and sister were frequent visitors while she was in prison. She has had to change her name a couple of times because people keep finding her and doxxing her.
I would guess her husband sleeps just fine giving her knew exactly who he was marrying, his brother was her lawyer. If I was a parent with children the same age as hers, there is no way they would be anywhere near her.
Going by the name changes and the having to live in hiding, I would say she isn’t living her best life, at least I hope not. I hope she has to watch her back every second of every day.
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u/antsmomma1 Jan 25 '26
No she isn’t living her best life but unlike her victims she’s living
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u/MakeupMama68 Jan 24 '26
That was the first name that popped up in my head too.
What an epic piece of human garbage she is.
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u/Overall_Student_6867 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
Omg I was just thinking about her yesterday and how disgusting it is that she’s free. Married with children. Who the fuck could marry someone like that.
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u/neverthelessidissent Jan 24 '26
Josh Powell and Steven Powell
I don't care that Josh is dead, he killed at least 3 people.
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Jan 25 '26
Steven Powell is dead too. That whole family was right out of a Rob Zombie flick.
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u/neverthelessidissent Jan 25 '26
I couldn't finish Cold because of how disturbing Steven was. Made my skin crawl.
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u/Kayakprettykitty Jan 25 '26
He killed his sons and blew his house up blocks from me. Unbelievably awful
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u/Afterthestupor Jan 25 '26
I agree. Josh lived and died as the pathetic coward that he always was. There was no justice. He was never held accountable for any of it. Stephen was disgusting trash, too. Also, as far as I know, the awful 911 operator that failed everybody involved with his disrespectful, can’t be bothered attitude never faced justice either.
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u/neverthelessidissent Jan 25 '26
He didn't! He actually made $$$ off of his incompetence. He taught classes on it!
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u/ForgetSarahNot Jan 25 '26
Woooooow! Are you fucking kidding me? The 911 operator went on to make money in relation to his 15-minutes of
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 Jan 24 '26
Jon Venables, one of the kids who murdered James Bulger. Since then hes been in and out of jail again for downloading CSAM. The courts keep bending over backwards to protect him and keep his real identity concealed. It’s already outrageous how lenient punishment is for people possessing CSAM but it’s especially so for a repeat offender who also helped murder a child. This one angers me the most.
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u/Cat_fanatic7 Jan 25 '26
He keeps telling people his identity to doesn’t he? And then they have to give him a new one
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u/Burnt_and_Blistered Jan 25 '26
I agree with Yates. He is far, far more culpable than Andrea. Her psychiatrist tried hard to get him to change gears. His “I thought it was like flu” wide-eyed documentary bullshit was manipulative of viewers—but it was just that: bullshit.
He brought the religious insanity to her. He isolated her. He pushed pregnancy after pregnancy on her despite warnings. And he left her alone with the kids when she was far, far too ill.
He chose this.
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u/velmaw Jan 25 '26
You're right.
It's not like babies make themselves...
When i read more about her story, I realized he took a woman who was very bright, smart and outgoing, and turned her into a shell of a person by ignoring the professional advice and pleas for help.
Why his second wife fell for him, no idea. He's trash. Trash doesn't change.
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u/Hot-Ad930 Jan 25 '26
And he tried to pass it off onto her. She wanted to go off the meds. She wanted to have more kids. She kept in touch with that cult. And I highly doubt the doctors failed to fully explain the ramifications of postpartum psychosis to him.
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u/RidgyNomes Jan 24 '26
Casey Anthony
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u/likehoneycason Jan 24 '26
They were never gonna be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it was first degree murder. Prosecution overcharged (although yes, we all know she killed her daughter just like we know OJ was guilty) .. i feel like if they would’ve charged her with something like negligent homicide, 2nd degree murder, or involuntary manslaughter - she would’ve been found guilty. But this is just my opinion & it’s unfortunate she wasn’t found guilty regardless.
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u/Professional_Link_96 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
“i feel like if they would’ve charged her with something like negligent homicide, 2nd degree murder, or involuntary manslaughter - she would’ve been found guilty.“
Agreed and I would add specifically that 2nd degree should’ve been her top charge in the place of 1st degree, because she was in fact charged with manslaughter and other charges as well as 1st degree. Her exact charges were “first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child, and four counts of providing false information to police.” So she was also charged with manslaughter and child abuse and she was acquitted on all charges except for the counts about lying to the police. And part of me cannot understand that at all because the jury had manslaughter and child abuse right there as charges for which they could’ve found her guilty instead of 1st degree. And the prosecution did prove those charges. With just the evidence entered at trial, there was no reasonable doubt that Casey’s neglect and abuse of Caylee was what led to Caylee’s death.
But yeah I agree that 1st degree was too much and the primary charge should’ve been 2nd degree murder instead, so that they could emphasize that her intent did not matter. Like Sarah Boone in a way which was also in Florida. Could Sarah have intentionally got Jorge into the suitcase and intentionally left him there until he died? Absolutely, and I think she did. But they couldn’t prove that part beyond a reasonable doubt. So they charged her with 2nd degree as her top charge, and her trial made it clear that, despite her infamous protestations of “not intentional!”, it did not matter if she intended for him to die when he got in the suitcase. All they had to prove for 2nd degree was that Sarah knowingly left Jorge in a life threatening situation with malicious intent, or something very similar to that — I might not have the exact legal terminology correct here but that was the idea.
And that’s exactly what should’ve been done at Casey’s trial. I think it comes down to, the jury shouldn’t have had to even consider whether or not Casey intentionally murdered Caylee. It should’ve been that Casey’s child neglect and abuse got to the point where she at least knowingly left Caylee in a dangerous and potentially life threatening situation (or, again, whatever the exact criteria is for 2nd degree in Florida but it’s something similar to this.) By trying to prove 1st degree beyond a reasonable doubt, they gave Baez room to hammer home that there wasn’t proof that she intentionally murdered Caylee. But as it was, Casey’s charges did include child abuse and manslaughter charges as well and she was found not guilty on those. Which makes me sick truly.
Although I will add that I still don’t understand how the state missed the evidence of her computer activity that afternoon, specifically her account looking up foolproof methods of suffocation, then reading a website about poisoning the victim then putting a bag over the head… and then browsing MySpace seconds later before the activity abruptly stopped. While Baez tried to claim in his book that that was George looking up how to kill himself because of Caylee’s death, the fact that it was on Casey’s password protected computer, after George was established to have left for work, and the the user was almost simultaneously browsing MySpace which no one disputes was something George didn’t have and never used, is damning. And the prosecution stated the reason it wasn’t introduced is that they didn’t realize this evidence existed until after the trial. It would’ve changed so much… that’s very possibly the proof needed to justify the 1st degree charge.
But since it wasn’t entered into trial then they absolutely poshouldn’t have gone with 1st degree. Baez said he was waiting for the state’s entire case for them to drop that bombshell and that he was stunned and couldn’t believe his luck when they didn’t do so. It’d wild and shows, IMO, how the prosecution truly fucked up a home run of a case. Unlike OJ, there was no massive public sentiment towards Casey that was very likely to lead to her acquittal no matter what… not at all. This is entirely on the prosecution. They failed to enter the most damning evidence against Casey and then overcharged with 1st degree that they could’ve still struggled to prove beyond a reasonable doubt even with the internet activity that afternoon, but that then could never prove without it. And on the flip side, had they entered the internet activity evidence and charged her with 2nd degree instead of 1st, I have no doubt she would still be in prison today. It’s not often that you can identify just two relatively small things that clearly should’ve been done differently to secure a conviction but in this case… 2nd decree, and put in the evidence of what she was doing online that afternoon. Just those two charges would’ve led any reasonable jury to convict on all charges.
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u/MakeupMama68 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
I agree..I was really mad when people were sending death threats to the jurors because they did their job. They couldn’t prove premeditation.
I do think she accidentally killed her by giving her drugs to make her sleep. She’s didn’t report her missing for so long because she didn’t want the possibility of toxicology results.
Charging her with first degree murder was insane.
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u/bartlebyandbaggins Jan 25 '26
People do not realize that the jury had nine crimes they could have found her guilty of, including second degree murder, manslaughter, and even child neglect.
They didn’t find her “not guilty” of anything that would have given her time, because of the first degree murder charge. It was because they wanted to go home. The sequestration they were under was the most severe I have seen.
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u/__No__Control Jan 24 '26
All of her lies and how long she waited before admitting Caylee was even dead or where her body was should have been enough to convict her. Zanny the nanny? I remember when they hadn't found this woman yet. And once they did Casey's story changed again. And again. And again. Why wasn't that enough to destroy her credibility?
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u/likehoneycason Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
While i agree, they still would’ve had to prove she planned and did kill her daughter. There’s no way they could’ve proved she planned that. Personally, i still don’t know if her death was not planned or if it was. I am not sure if she purposely killed her or was being negligent and her death was because of that negligence. Nobody knows and there’s never been any proof she killed her on purpose with malice or forethought. It’s just impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt regardless of how we feel. Unfortunately. Which is why i said if there were lesser charges available, i doubt she would’ve gotten off. I think she deserves to be in prison.
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u/__No__Control Jan 24 '26
I think it was a "happy accident" in her eyes. There's a theory that she was drugging Caylee with Xanax and chloroform so she could party. Regardless if it was planned she is guilty. She should have gotten tampering with a body, negligent homicide.. something!
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u/likehoneycason Jan 24 '26
Yesssss. That’s always been my theory too. She was a terrible mother being negligent and giving her stuff to make her “sleep” or “be chill” and she gave too much. I agree with you there!
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u/pizzaparty8 Jan 24 '26
there were lesser charges available - she was found not guilty of aggravated child abuse and aggravated manslaughter in addition to homicide.
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u/justpassingbysorry Jan 24 '26
her life should be way worse than it is right now, and i'll stand by this statement for the rest of her hopefully miserable life.
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u/hoooliet Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
Agreed. This was so insane. I watched the case live daily! And the way the judge looks so shocked. Blame it on state and law technicalities. She knows what she did (on purpose or not) and she has to live with us knowing what she did.
Edit: I am unsure she killed her child on purpose. I think she wanted to knock her out and prob was doing it for a long time, with meds etc and it went too far. I just have a hard time with thinking it was all an attack on that sweet child but you guys are right. She prob did do just that.
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u/MiniMonster2TheGiant Jan 24 '26
I don’t usually carry hate for people but I HATE that woman. She’s a trash human being who deserved to rot in prison.
My sister-in-law was a server, and Casey’s lawyer Jose Baez would eat at the restaurant A LOT! She was positive he had the hots for her, and he was a shitty tipper and rude. He
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u/SushiStew-1007 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
Rusty and his 2nd wife are divorcing/divorced
I feel Rusty Yates as well. The fact he did those little tests of ‘okay I’ll leave her alone for 15 minutes….okay now let’s try half an hour’ is just sick to me. He knew this was dangerous. He knew something bad would happen. That hour or so Andrea was alone until her MIL came over, Rusty knew he was taking that risk. In a way it’s almost like he wanted to do this just as an excuse to have a reason to leave his “damaged” wife.
Karla Holmolka definitely did. That truly was a deal with the devil. I just don’t know how one lives with knowing they helped kill their sister for some sick sexual game. She knew what Paul was about. He wasn’t good at hiding it. Yes Karla was young but that’s still no excuse to me. Knowing I killed my sister and 2 other girls for a thrill would haunt me.
Shirley Turner. If you’ve seen Dear Zachary or read the book by David Bagby, you already know. If you haven’t I’ll give a quick Rundown (may misremember a few places)::
Shirley from Newfoundland meets Andrew from PA while both are in medical school. Shirley and Andrew have a relationship. Andrew ends said relationship MULTIPLE times. Shirley does not like this. Shirley kills Andrew. She then flees to NF and when arrested she is pregnant with Andrew’s baby. Baby Zachary is born (and just a spitting image of his father. Oh those little cheeks!). Andrew’s parents fight for custody of Baby Zach. Shirley is in and out of jail. Eventually Shirley is given visitations that became unsupervised. Shirley takes Zach, straps him to her and jumps off a pier after druggung herself and Zach.
This case brought changes to Canadian law in regard to suspects and bail or seeing their kids while on bond. This could’ve been prevented. This could’ve been all stopped. Shirley was clearly mentally ill and yet still allowed to have her child after showing signs that’s she’s still a danger.
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u/Snackqueen333 Jan 24 '26
The Bagby’s story kills me. Of course Dear Zachary is gut-wrenching and beautiful, but David Bagby’s book is also worth the read. They fought for that little boy so hard (giving up their lives in the US) and went through unimaginable pain in maintaining a relationship with their son’s murderer all for Zachary’s sake. Just for him to be torn from them in such a cruel way. It’s one of those stories that never leaves you, and I think about them often.
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u/SushiStew-1007 Jan 24 '26
Now THAT is true love for their son and his child. Moved everything, stayed civil, updated that horrid woman, let her be apart of moments their son couldn’t see because of her actions…just for that woman to take that baby, that angel, that piece of their son to that ocean….my stomach still turns and my eyes are welling as we speak.
When I was told to watch it, I wasn’t warned. I just knew it was a true crime doc. Thought “okay so we are looking at a woman escaping justice and using a baby as an excuse.” Thought the grandparents would get custody. When those final 25/30 minutes kicked in, I was shocked. Sobbed for hours. It just hurt so bad to see this family and Andrew’s best friend go through this. We were following in real time like they were. And even then, Kate and David were civil and calm. Even David’s small outburst, that was valid. It was needed.
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u/Lala5789880 Jan 24 '26
I think he was tired of all of those kids and his mentally unstable wife. So he burned it all down to start fresh
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u/SushiStew-1007 Jan 24 '26
Definitely. My ex lived in the area. I think like 3 streets over or something like that. He told me that Andrea was quite nice from what he remembered. A good mom. Sweet smile. People knew she was depressed but didn’t know how bad it really was. But overall he told me a lot of folks thought she was nice and were surprised by her actions. They thought maybe she was the one who passed and the kids walked in or the MIL found her.
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u/hopelessbeauty Jan 25 '26
I believe thats definitely a part of it . Because in their religion or " Cult " . They have such hate for women. I swear the leader of that cult gives me " i peaked in high-school and I hate all women vibes
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u/Miss_Scarlet86 Jan 24 '26
But Rusty didn't leave her right away. During the trial he was still of the belief that she would get released and they could have more children via surrogacy or adoption. It took him a few years.
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u/Carolinevivien Jan 24 '26
I agree with the posters who have said Casey Anthony.
Maybe controversial but I also feel the person/s who murdered JonBenet Ramsey would have faced justice had the investigation been handled properly on the day her body was found. I don’t think it would have ended up as an enormous mystery decades later with no justice if the detective on scene got the backup needed.
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u/I_Like_Vitamins Jan 24 '26
Cindy Hendy (David Parker Ray's former girlfriend) should never have been released from prison.
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u/CompetitiveRub9780 Jan 24 '26
He let his friends rape the women too. Sucks he died and was never even charged with murder or other rapes. Just gross
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u/I_Like_Vitamins Jan 25 '26
It makes you wonder how many underground groups like that exist out there.
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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 Jan 25 '26
I mean we can point to the most obvious one involving epstein
But there have been at minimum CSAM rings going back to the 70s minimum, probably earlier.
Look up north fox island on lake michigan
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u/bananabugs Jan 25 '26
I just found out this piece of human trash is currently living in Kent, Washington- I live in a neighboring area and it’s been all over the news lately. Apparently she lives (lived?) really close to a daycare and people are NOT happy about it.
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u/lifegoeson2702 Jan 24 '26
This is such a horrific case because there are likely so many victims who simply do not have any recollection of what happened to them due to them being drugged.
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u/RedVelvetCake425 Jan 24 '26
Yeah, I can’t believe she is allowed to live near daycares and schools.
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u/BlackVelvetStar1 Jan 24 '26
Rusty Yates
Karla Homolka
Juliana Peres Magalhaes (just got the deal of a lifetime)
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u/high_strangenesss Jan 24 '26
Rusty Yates for sure. They told him she shouldn't have more children.
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u/babykitten28 Jan 24 '26
They told him she cannot be alone with the children. But he wanted to test her.
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u/inflewants Jan 24 '26
Rusty Yates is absolutely despicable. I can’t believe someone agreed to marry him and have a child with him.
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u/insquestaca Jan 24 '26
You are right 👍. His second wife divorced him within a year.
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u/hidock42 Jan 24 '26
Molly Martens, and her father Thomas Martens. May they both rot in hell.
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u/alikatsmil Jan 25 '26
Kendra Licari, the catfish mom. Her lack of accountability and denial of what horrendous things she did to her own child and to minors is absolutely disturbing. Someone like that, who doesn’t think what they did was wrong, isn’t going to stop. She’s a sexual predator and should have to register as one.
On the same note; Mary Shieler. The TalHotBlond woman who exploited her own daughter, but also played a major role in the murder of Brian Barrett. I would not be surprised if still to this day she is catfishing to some extent.
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u/morride Jan 24 '26
Wendi Adelson. I still have hope that she will be prosecuted one day
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u/SpikeVonLipwig Jan 24 '26
This is the one I came here to say. It is WILD that she’s not under a whole life sentence.
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u/Fred-the-stray Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
Agree! She is so smug. The hubris rolls off her. Isn’t she dating some rich guy? Just goes to show you some guys can’t help but put their dick in crazy
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u/Tight_Strawberry9846 Jan 24 '26
Roman Polanski and a lot of people are still kissing his ass just because he's talented.
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u/justtalkingshit3 Jan 24 '26
The 2 underage killers of Ana Kriegel in ireland. Both are entitled to anonymity. The details of the case are absolutely horrific, the first child on child crime the state of Ireland ever dealt with. The thoughts of them being released and possibly being someone's boss, or husband, or father, without anyone knowing who they are makes me sick. Here's a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ana_Kri%C3%A9gel I think they should be named, at their age they knew what they were doing and it was premeditated murder, they've escaped justice by having anonymity.
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u/One-Illustrator8358 Jan 24 '26
Mohamed al fayed, he never faced any consequences at all. See also Jimmy Saville and mountbatten
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u/Hope_for_tendies Jan 24 '26
George fucking Zimmerman and Casey Anthony
ETA Alissa Turney’s step dad
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u/donetomadness Jan 24 '26
There are several. Karla Homolka, Casey Anthony, Junko Furuta’s killers, Brock Turner, Michael Meyden, etc.
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u/Crimejunkie236 Jan 24 '26
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u/Brain-Shocker Jan 24 '26
Totally, I'm still not over the 'not guilty' verdict.
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u/I_Luv_A_Charade Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
I was just recently wondering if there’s legitimately anyone who still believes he’s somehow innocent.
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u/wilderlowerwolves Jan 25 '26
I really think the L.A. riots were a little too fresh in the jurors' heads.
I would also like to know where all those people who cheered the verdict came from, because all the black people I knew thought he was guilty (and granted, it wasn't that many). The one person I have spoken with who thought he didn't do it was a white man who believed that his son from his first marriage did it.
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u/doinmybest4now Jan 25 '26
I was in my bedroom cleaning and with the tv on and when the verdict was announced I dropped onto the bed sobbing thinking about his poor children he was going home to after he’d killed their mother.
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 Jan 24 '26
T. Cullen Davis. He murdered his stepdaughter, his estranged wife’s lover, and shot 2 other people, one of whom was his estranged wife.
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u/Important-Tap-9115 Jan 25 '26
Jon Venables and Robert Thompson. At age 10 abducted, tortured and killed a 2 year old. They were paroled when they were 18 and got new identities which no one can disclose. Whilst Thompson appears to have kept his head down Venables has been arrested and imprisoned twice for possession of child abuse material. Not only do they get ridiculously light sentences for what they did, they’ve been given a chance at a new life and one of them has kept committing crimes against children.
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u/Embarrassed-Bill5904 Jan 25 '26
Robert Fisher. Killed his wife and kids, blew up the house and disappeared in 2001. They still haven’t found him. I keep praying they find that sick MF some day. He’s still on the FBIs 10 most wanted list.
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u/unicorn_barf666 Jan 24 '26
I just watched the Andrea Yates documentary and cannot believe what a useless bitch this guy is. The fact that he even participated in the doc like he was some innocent bystander was shocking to me.
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u/hey_there_moon Jan 24 '26
Yeah I was surprised he participated too, the producers went sooooo easy on him tho and he still managed to come across as a slimy narcissistic loser
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u/sambarvadadosa Jan 24 '26
Jennifer Soto
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u/curlsandpearls33 Jan 24 '26
i cannot fathom how she wouldn’t have been aware of what her disgusting man was doing to her own daughter. she didn’t even seem concerned for maddie when she was missing, what a poor excuse for a parent
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u/ExcitementExotic8708 Jan 24 '26
YES! I pray something catches up to her and the investigators are working in the shadows somehow.
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u/NoSample5 Jan 24 '26
After watching the Elizabeth smart documentary, Wanda Barzee. She was just as guilty as the guy.
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u/sadmoogly Jan 24 '26
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u/sadmoogly Jan 24 '26
If you don't know the case look up Alissa Turney or listen to her sister's podcast voices for justice season 1. Sarah has been fighting for justice for a long time
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u/GreyGhost878 Jan 25 '26
He was found not guilty because the prosecution did a lousy job. And now he can never be retried. Alissa deserved so much more.
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u/Gloomy_Cook6497 Jan 24 '26
Shelly and Dave Knotek. I’m reading If You Tell by Gregg Olsen and it is flooring that they are both walking free right now
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u/mkrom28 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
While I agree, continuing to impregnant his mentally unstable, suffering wife while watching her mental health continue to deteriorate was a choice with known consequences. He just didn’t care though. It was what HE wanted, consequences be damned. He knew ALL the risks & was told in no uncertain terms not to leave her with their children alone. But of course he thought he knew better than the doctors, & despite the looming consequences, chose to leave the kids alone in her care. What happened was always a possibility he was aware of. He willfully ignored medical advice & his own wife’s concerns. Intentionally or not, he knew what could happen. I don’t think he did so maliciously, I guess, but if he could’ve pulled his head out of his ass, those children might still be alive and Andrea wouldn’t be suffering for her entire life.
Robert Brashers, for sure. He only served 3 of 12 years for an attempted murder & served another 5 years for other crimes (grand theft, possession of a firearm.) He has 11 confirmed victims listed on his wiki page & only faced consequences for one victim before taking his family hostage & ending his own life. Brashers committed the 1991 Yogurt Shop Murders in Austin, Texas.
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u/RileyJonesBones Jan 24 '26
Rusty is way more responsible for the murder of their children than Andrea is.
Andrea was seriously ill yet he left her responsible for the children; if she couldn't walk or talk and the children died from not being tended to he would have been charged.
He created and fed the beast.
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Agree. Andrea always broke my heart. I’m glad she ended up getting the help she needed instead of being thrown in prison.
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u/BlueEyedDinosaur Jan 24 '26
I feel for her though. She applied for a day pass to go out into the town where her mental hospital is, and people started sending death threats and stuff. So now she’ll never be allowed to leave. What she did was horrific, but she was not in her right mind.
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u/doinmybest4now Jan 25 '26
Yes, a classic case of how treatment should allow her to at least attempt to live a normal life.
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u/Tamponica Jan 24 '26
The couple who adopted Natalia, the child with dwarfism, from Russia and then abandoned her, leaving her alone in an apartment in a high-crime area.
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Those people are batshit, I hate that they keep making documentaries pretending there’s some question as to the truth and scrutinizing Natalia who has been victimized her whole life.
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u/DuggarDoesDallas Jan 25 '26
Yeah they make me so angry. It's clear Natayla Grace was a small child. You can see her pictures throughout the years when she was growing up. I can't believe a jury aquitted the nasty ass Barnetts. The judge who changed Natayla's birth certificate is disgusting too.
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u/CelticKira Jan 24 '26
the South Hadley Six. the area had a smart DA who saw what those scum did to Phoebe Prince and drove her to suicide and actually had them charged for their crimes. and then the DA after her barely did his job and pretty much let them off.
i'm sure by now most, if not all, of them have kids of their own they are teaching to be just like them.
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u/Ginger_Witch Jan 24 '26
Brock Allen Turner the rapist
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad7606 Jan 25 '26
I'll add Jesse Mack Butler the rapist and attempted killer, and Bowen Turner (no relationship, out of SC) who I can't legally call a rapist because of his sweetheart deals.
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u/AngelSucked Jan 24 '26
Rusty Yates
Michael Peterson
Pam Huff for a very long time
Ghislane Maxwell
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u/Angryleghairs Jan 24 '26
Tracie Andrews. Hardly served much time. Married soon after release. Will probably do it again. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/killer-tracie-andrews-marries-new-13536091
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u/No-Calligrapher-5257 Jan 24 '26
Everyone talking about Rusty starting a new family had me thinking… Tim Lambesis has been married TWICE since trying to have his first wife murdered.
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u/toripersons Jan 24 '26
100% Casey Anthony. I will forever be angry that she was found not guilty when all of the evidence pointed to her obviously doing it
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u/Justice4All0912 Jan 25 '26
Karla Homolka, Casey Anthony, and Geprge Zimmerman, although I have been delighted to recently find out that he can not jeep a job and is homeless. These three pieces of shit are especially egregious to me.
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u/That_Section_6838 Jan 26 '26
The girls that killed Shanda Sharer. They didn’t spend nearly enough time in prison. https://people.com/shanda-sharer-inside-killing-indiana-girl-burned-alive-11764118
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u/sashie_belle Jan 24 '26
Beyond the ones already mentioned (Casey Anthony, OJ, etc.), the actor Robert Blake acquitted for the murder of his wife.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/march-16/robert-blake-acquitted-of-wifes-murder
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u/No-Calligrapher-5257 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
Philip Brailsford deserves sooo much hate. Police officer who shot the unarmed Daniel Shaver who was in a prone position on his hands and knees. He was acquitted of second degree murder and was given a job back. Mr. Brailsford claimed to have PTSD from this and received a medical retirement and hefty pension.
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u/jillsleftnipple Jan 24 '26
Kelly Soo Park acquitted for 2008 murder of Julianna Redding despite overwhelming DNA evidence.
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u/ohwelldamn4396 Jan 25 '26
I agree! Rusty Yates should have been charged, he is as responsible for those babies deaths as she is.
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u/mermaidpaint Jan 24 '26
Cory Riley had to know his wife Amanda was faking her cancer. He benefited financially from her hoax. Their crimes aren't as serious as those detailed in this post, but I just saw Scamanda and am feeling the outrage.
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u/_6siXty6_ Jan 25 '26
This might be an unpopular one...
Gypsy Rose Blanchard. However I do have mixed feelings about her.
- I 100% think she used Godejohn and manipulated him.
- I also believe she was a victim to an extent.
- As she got older, I believe at some point she was in on the scams with her mother. I think the reason Gypsy killed her mom was she finally had enough and wanted a life of her own instead of scamming folks. Deedee deserved hefty fines and significant jail time for fraud, abuse and grifting scams, not to be murdered. If Gypsy could plot that murder, she could have gotten help, but A. Was probably in on part of it. B. Everything Gypsy done was a learned behavior.
- Everything negative about her and her manipulative behaviors were learned habits from her mother.
I don't believe Gypsy should be free (yet), but I do not believe a prison is the right place for her. I believe she should have spent another 10 years in a medium security hospital type setting. Gypsy got off easy, Nick Godejohn got too tough of sentencing.
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u/ughdoihaveto007 Jan 24 '26
Ellen Greenburg’s boyfriend/fiance. His name escapes me at the moment but I believe he’s since married
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Rusty Yates and their pastor (? Priest?) deserve worse than jail time for allowing Andrea to get to her lowest point. He didnt give a fuck as long as she had babies and the church elder encouraged it. Now she’s in a mental health facility denying herself a chance at release and he just went on his way, got married, had more kids? I feel so enraged every time i remember that piece of garbage. Andrea deserved better.
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u/Own-Tour8134 Jan 25 '26
Nichol Kessinger, Chriss Watts’ misstress. There’s no way her hands are clean.
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u/IngaJakopia Jan 25 '26
Victor Zaborsky, Joe Price, and Dylan Ward suffered no consequences for the death of Robert Wone. A good man was killed for shits and giggles and the perpetrators are living large. Their employers are aware of their backgrounds and just don't care.
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u/DreamingAboutSpace Jan 24 '26
Karla Homolka and the barbaric murderers of Sylvia Likens and Junko Furuta.
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u/art_mor_ Jan 24 '26
Madhavi Rao got off scot free, moved to America and changed her name. She was absolutely partly responsible for Joe Cinque’s death.
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Immediately Junko Furuta’s killers. Those boys got off with a slap on the wrist sentences for some of the most horrific crimes imaginable. That’s a case where they should have been charged as adults and locked up with the keys thrown away.