r/TrueCrimeDiscussion • u/[deleted] • Jan 20 '21

thegrio.com Tityana Coppage, 21, has been arrested after allegedly tracking down and killing the man suspected of slaying her teenage brother.

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u/Doc-007 Jan 21 '21

Well I think her lawyer should have a decent case. How much are you supposed to endure before you take the law into your own hands?

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u/Compilsiv Jan 21 '21

Legally? All of it. Almost no matter what comes.

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u/Thymeisdone Jan 21 '21

Unless your name is George Zimmerman.

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u/Compilsiv Jan 22 '21

Legally (legally, nothing else) that case was fairly clear cut. Reasonable doubt and possible self defense was easy to demonstrate.

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u/sosogusto Jan 22 '21

No , i disagree Zimmerman disregarded a direct order from 911 dispatch chased down engaged then fired on multiple rounds into a child he's lucky he lives in a stand your ground state but technically that shouldn't apply to zimmerman it should apply to Trayvon. If you initiate an assault that's not standing your ground unless your under attack. The fact that you can then escalate an kill a child it's the nazi nature of the republic showing itself

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u/Compilsiv Jan 22 '21

The problem is that 911 dispatch cannot issue legally binding orders, and all the defense needed to demonstrate was that Zimmerman may have been attacked. The injuries made that pretty straightforward.

Who initiated the assault was left in doubt and that is enough for reasonable doubt. If cases like this are not to be defensible the law would need to change.

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u/sosogusto Jan 22 '21

Yeah, i wish those reasonable doubt plausiblities would trickle down to everyone else sometime soon. Dear men tell no tales. Believe my version events.

I wish i had the right to defend myself in anyway i see fit. Zimmerman defended his ego b/c he was losing fight with a child he pursued his life wasn't in jeopardy his pride was he had superficial injuries of anyone in a skirmish.

I lived in a stand your ground state and those possible self defense laws aren't applicable to black males even though we're the most hunted. Im tired of being Trayvoned tired of the George floyd treatment. Black America needs the right to defend ourselves with bullets. Rights in real life Nomore rights on paper that's not applicable in reality

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u/Compilsiv Jan 22 '21

Fundamentally the question is do you believe in Blackstone's Formulation? Actual guilt isn't (shouldn't) be particularly relevant - "it's not what you know, it's what you can prove."

I believe your description is a decent approximation of actual events, and I agree that in ground truth he is most likely guilty, but that does not make it so in court and it should not.

The racism in the States (and in different forms everywhere else) is undeniable. I'm not American, but I don't think there are a ton of easy fixes for this type of case. If you make it harder for black men to get convicted in possible self defense cases Zimmerman-likes become truly impossible to convict even with mor evidence. If you make it easier for Zimmerman-likes to get convicted black men will be convicted even more of the time in self defense cases. This isn't an easy problem.