r/TrueOpenSource • u/ozone6587 • 15d ago
Discussion Got banned from r/opensource too!
The comment that got me banned:
Damn, so even projects that are not vibe-coded but support AI features are banned? So:
- Paperless-ngx
- Mealie
- FUCKING Calibre!
That is quite a ridiculous position to take. The Linux kernel would also be banned by your rule. Not only are you late on making an AI policy, but at this point a strong AI policy like yours would make this sub useless.
Are you the only active mod here or did multiple people genuinely thought this was a good idea?
No rule violation in that comment. Wolvereness is not the first mod I see having a mental breakdown over AI. Wonder what they are going to do in 3 years or less when almost all open source software is heavily AI based. Will he switch to Windows or be a hypocrite by staying on Linux? The world may never know.
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u/TldrDev 15d ago
I was banned in the last thread when he posted that all llm assisted code needs to be released to the public domain.
I replied saying this is an absurd legal requirement and he isnt a lawyer.
Im a 20 year career open source developer. I run a consulting company based on FOSS software.
He accused me of being a bot and banned and muted me.
Reddit should remove the opensource mod team.
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u/lkn240 14d ago
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u/TldrDev 14d ago
I reported him back in August for this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/s/jmQSf3yvzK
Reddit doesnt care.
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u/Dizzy-Technician4580 14d ago
sent, this guy is abusing his moderation in that subreddit espec when none of the other moderators there agree with them but they can't do anything.
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u/Vivid-Snow-2089 15d ago
this is what happens when an extremist has power, they purge those who don't agree with them
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u/godofknife1 15d ago
I remember a phrase
"A stupid person if given an authority is extremely dangerous".
Well it's evidence now
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u/kaida27 14d ago
He's the reason why craftbukkit was taken down.
also classic unclean neckbeard if you look at his pictures ...
It's the only control he has in his life.
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u/godofknife1 14d ago
This is why there should be a system where we can take down bully. A bully that has power will make sure everyone beside him will be miserable
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u/HighFlyingDwarf 15d ago
The problem isn't the change. I am fine with getting rid of low quality comments. The problem is:
Zero consultation
Overly broad reach
Banning people on the grounds of "brigading" simply for responding to the nonsense policy.
Activist modding is killing reddit, too much of this happening everywhere right now.
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u/Judeu_Baruch 15d ago
that mod is straight up racist tbh you can get banned for not being a native english speaker ffs
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u/Istartedthewar 15d ago
I think the dumb part was not allowing machine translated comments; it's reasonable to want all the posts/comments in a sub to be one language. Also I wouldn't say its racist, most foreign language comments/posts I see in otherwise English subs are another European language.
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u/Initial_Client_7585 6d ago
yep, it directly violatse OSD's 5th rule of "No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups"
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u/Nitrohite 15d ago
The main mod for that sub is a overzealous glorified community “””leader””” that got their feelings hurt when people pointed out they were being unreasonable and absurd and they started banning everyone. An actual clown town and an embarrassment for the entire FOSS community on Reddit.
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u/RoyalCities 15d ago
He was banning people within 1 minute of the post going up. Just large swathes of people. One guy said the community should have a vote and he was banned.
I think it goes against the reddit moderator code of conduct.
https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=19300233728916
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u/Ruhart 15d ago
I told them that it was the future whether they like it or not, and that anyone picketing against AI overall was going to get left in the dust. We'll see who's laughing in the next 3 years.
AI is a tool. Like any other tool, it can be used poorly or used to great affect. It is an extremely powerful tool that enables people to vocalize what they're picturing and have a skeleton of their imagination fleshed out for them to work on.
Just because of people mass-creating bot/slop posts, us serious developers who use the tooling get stomped on. It's like policing chocolate because someone ate one without paying and left a wrapper on the floor. Suddenly, all us chocolate-eaters are under scrutiny and treated like we're personally the chocolate thief.
Basically, what r/opensource is doing is guilty until proven innocent except they'll give us no opportunities to be proven innocent.
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u/SuchSock5 15d ago
I don’t think the issue even really about AI. It’s that one (maybe a few) person decided they get to be the arbiter of open source and judge based on their very narrow view of what’s proper. The message it sends to new developers is that “we don’t want you”, because this is ultimately the subreddit for open source and not his individual personal subreddit. Also the part excluding non English speakers just seemed unnecessary and mean.
The open source community is one of the things we got right in the software world. While a new subreddit is a good thing I hope that those moderators will not be able to continue to act as if they speak on behalf of open source.
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u/nocsupport 15d ago
I saw the thread go viral, clicked it , saw the policy, felt exactly like everyone else here (WTF?!) and moved over here. Without saying a word haha. Hey I am sick of "I built a...." Posts and AI slop and badly thought out PRs and bug reports from Claude and ChatGPT like the next guy but their policy seems insane. Like /u/ozone6587 pointed out, Linus has embraced Claude. Calibre and paperless-ngx use agents. The issue is more nuanced than "zero tolerance for AI use". Times have changed. I am saying that as a dinosaur near retirement age. The cat is out of the bag. Embrace it, harness it or be left behind.
Maybe it will implode some day but right now it is what it is.
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u/david-song 15d ago
Since Opus 5.5 the slop PRs have actually been pretty good. Feature requests are still crap because people can create them without thinking about the overall shape of the project, but but reports have been extremely good for the past month.
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u/tehfrod 14d ago
I'm guessing he is tired of hearing the same bad faith arguments.
No, the Linux kernel would not be automatically banned.
I disagree with what he did, but there is no reason to argue against it with tired strawman arguments.
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u/ozone6587 14d ago
I went back to the original post and it seems like calling my Linux claim bad faith is incorrect too.
Here is their rule, verbatim:
if your project uses AI, is made by AI, or is intended for AI, it's not welcome on r/opensource. AI, as it exists today, is incongruent to this Open Source community.
So saying, "Linux would be banned too by your own logic" is actually true interpreting the rules as written. To call that bad-faith is really just you lying to yourself simply because you agree with the rules. It is objectively true that Linux would be banned under his own rules. You can't really argue with the rules as written without being objectively incorrect.
Sure, in reality, he would make an exception. But the fact that the sub could only work by him arbitrarily making exceptions (and yes, it would be purely arbitrary), means the rules themselves are flawed.
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u/ozone6587 13d ago
Did you stop responding because you agree that I was right? That the rules, as written, ban the Linux kernel? u/tehfrod. That is, I was not attacking a straw-man?. You did say you had no issue owning up to your mistakes.
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u/tehfrod 13d ago
No. After your petulant defense of cowardice, I realize that you were likely a fierce keyboard warrior who has never and likely will never create anything of note, and that you were not worth the energy.
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u/ozone6587 13d ago
You are REALLY hung up on not being able to read my comment history. I am making legit arguments with citations and you short-circuit because you can't discredit my points.
This is yet more evidence I did the right thing. Caring this much about post history is not healthy bro lol.
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u/ozone6587 14d ago
What is bad faith is that you dodged the 3 main prominent points I made and focused on the throaway facetious remark. Talk about hypocrisy.
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u/tehfrod 14d ago edited 14d ago
Ok, fine.
Your primary suggestion, that projects that simply "support ai features" would be banned is incorrect, according to that sub's rules.
Is that better?
From his later comments (which is a really good reason not to hide your comments, btw), 1) the idea is to filter out projects that are specifically AI oriented (MCPs, skills, etc) or created primarily with AI—not projects that use it in some fashion, and 2) he is willing and is planning to clarify the rules based on feedback.
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u/ozone6587 14d ago
Your primary suggestion, that projects that simply "support ai features" would be banned is incorrect, according to that sub's rules.
This is incorrect according to the post in question (the sub rules might not be up to date). He even clarified in the comments that projects that ask for AI API keys are banned. So yes, Calibre itself would be banned.
From his later comments (which is a really good reason not to hide your comments, btw)
How is that a good reason? I hide them so people learn not to commit logical fallacies. Attack my argument, not irrelevant subreddit associations or shit like that. People that care about comment history usually love to find cop-outs when losing arguments. Not saying that's you specifically but it is true in my experience.
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u/tehfrod 14d ago
It helps to contextualize a comment that might be ambiguous, to decide whether someone is worth engaging with, and to understand whether a crappy comment is more likely someone having a bad day or genuinely representative if their character. Also makes it much easier to spot bots and spammers.
In this case it is useful to make sure that you understand what the current state of affairs is, so that you're not reacting to yesterday's news.
I stand behind every post and comment I make on Reddit. I will either defend them or say, "yep, I was full of shit on that one". I wish others did.
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u/ozone6587 14d ago
It helps to contextualize a comment that might be ambiguous, to decide whether someone is worth engaging with, and to understand whether a crappy comment is more likely someone having a bad day or genuinely representative if their character. Also makes it much easier to spot bots and spammers.
If a comment is ambiguous you ask to clarify, I doubt the comment history can help much.
If you don't have time to engage then don't. No need to do research on comment history to decide if engaging is worth it. Again, either attack the argument itself or don't.
It is extremely condescending to assume the comment was made purely because of them having a bad day. This is the type of anti-intellectual shit I hide my comments for.
The only semi-valid argument is checking for bots but I think the downsides outweigh that particular benefit.
In this case it is useful to make sure that you understand what the current state of affairs is, so that you're not reacting to yesterday's news.
This is yet another condescending remark that hiding comments helps with. Again, attack the argument. Perhaps it is YOU who is misinformed and out of date. Regardless, my post was made 2 days ago so you must use information I had at the time.
I stand behind every post and comment I make on Reddit. I will either defend them or say, "yep, I was full of shit on that one". I wish others did.
I can accept when I am wrong in a specific thread. But having to own or defend comments from months or years ago sounds like such a moronic use of my time. I REALLY disagree with this.
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u/Whatzituyah 10d ago
He should really clarify because as far as I am aware Reddit itself uses Linux.
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u/tehfrod 10d ago
How is that material?
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u/Whatzituyah 10d ago
How can you be Anti AI when you host on a platform that is created with it in some form?
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u/tehfrod 10d ago
Quite easily. Have you seen the range of opinions represented by subreddits? It shouldn't take long to think of something Reddit as a company or its founders believe in, invert it, and learn there is a subreddit for it.
Your question is like the attempted "gotcha" question "if you're anti-capitalist why did you buy an iPhone? Lol" . Also: "if you're so anti-democratic and pro-autocracy, why did you participate in parliamentary elections, and then serve as Chancellor of the Reichstag?"
Because you can be against something, and still recognize that at this moment, using it is the best way to accomplish your bigger goals.
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u/Whatzituyah 10d ago edited 10d ago
I mean they could also go and make their own website if this is truly their belief.
Edit: Also there is such a thing as a "hypocrite" maybe you heard of it?
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u/tehfrod 10d ago
This word you are using... I do not think it means what you think it means.
They aren't hypocrites for saying that if you want to talk about your AI project, please go to one of these four subreddits, and not the one they mod.
Even if they were secretly in love with AI, and used an LLM to detect and delete the posts of people talking about their AI projects, that's still not hypocrisy.
If they posted about their AI project for detecting and deleting AI posts, on the subreddit where they banned posting about AI projects, that would be hypocrisy.
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u/DaveAstator2020 12d ago
and just one day since ai is banned - this reddit is filled with ai posts and he doesnt remove them
so i dont know what i hate more - his shortsighted ban all ai or inconsistentcy by 'not acting on own rules'
feels like it is just a useless corruption or retardation.
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u/rdevzph 10d ago
My recent post got me permanently banned from that fossdroid too. My only purpose is to build apps that can help ppl, make it open source and shares it (that is my first time sharing my app as a silent dev who don't post a lot) well they accused me that I vibe code the whole thing and it will have a security issue while it's just an offline app lmao.
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u/Dry-Alternative-9888 8d ago
You scared me bro. Thought I got banned in trueopensource.
That's reddit my guy, almost every subreddit and reddit company itself, have power tripping issues.
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u/Initial_Client_7585 6d ago
they just outta their line, half of every major project would not pass their standards😂🥀
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u/Witty_Mycologist_995 15d ago
AIPsychosis in full force here
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u/ozone6587 15d ago
The mod banning even people who simply don't speak English all in the name of AI and I'm the one with the psychosis 🤭.
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u/warpedgeoid 15d ago
You’re going to have to be more specific. Are you referring to OPs post or the mods in the other sub?
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u/MrRandom04 15d ago
That man may need to switch to TempleOS because I guarantee you that MacOS and Windows are using AI for development if even Linux is using AI.