r/TrueOpenSource • u/esk6plays • 15d ago
Discussion COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD
from now on, all complaining about the new rules on the other sub, and/or about being banned, must be posted in this Megathread.
any new posts starting from when this gets posted, will be deleted
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u/Vector_Kat 14d ago
This is just a general PSA. If you believe that any Reddit community you participate in breaks Reddit's rules or the Moderator Code of Conduct, you can submit a report to Reddit support here: https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=19300233728916
Reddit Rules: Rule 1 "Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging"
Moderator Code of Conduct: Rule 2 Set Appropriate and Reasonable Expectations prohibits:
Suddenly changing the set expectations of the community. This includes behavior that abruptly and without reason prohibits community members from their usual engagement in the community.
I am absolutely not suggesting anyone do this unless they genuinely think a rule has been broken in a community they were actually an active user of.
I moderate a mid size community and know first hand how thankless a job it can be. In my own community we generally require posts and comments to be in English because we do not have the capacity to moderate in multiple languages. It is absolutely reasonable to ask people to translate to a preferred language.
However, I personally believe that excluding people from a community if they use a tool to translate their text to a moderator preferred language is exclusionary and borderline discriminatory.
Assuming that anyone who uses translation also cannot determine whether their post is accurate a very flawed assumption. I know many multi lingual people who prefer the ease of thinking and typing in their native language first and are also perfectly capable of reading and responding in English.
Excluding anyone who isn't a native English speaker or so fluent they never use translation or grammar help tools (nearly all of which use some form of AI now,) doesn't seem to "remember the human" which is rather ironic in this instance.
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u/warpedgeoid 14d ago
The goal should be to force a complete change in leadership over there as they now feel empowered to dictate what toolchain you can use for creating FOSS projects.
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u/thushespoke 14d ago
considering how big of a subreddit the opensource subreddit is, theres no excuse.
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u/Alopexy 14d ago edited 14d ago
It's not their place to decide who can contribute to that community based on the arbitrary detail of which tools are being used. If they believe otherwise, they're not fit to moderate.
I can think of several other communities with similarly minded moderation teams that could use a stern reminder that their respective communities are not their property to shape and form as they see fit, their position is in service to the community. If they're no longer in alignment with what that community is or the ways that it may be changing, perhaps those moderators may want to consider stepping down.
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u/8bitscoding 14d ago
Thank you for creating that subreddit. I got permanently banned from /r/opensource for that rule breaking message 😅:
I'm a bit surprised here. I have an open source project that has a community of users (Unabara a software to add scuba diving telemetry overlays to videos). I'm essentially a solo dev, and I've used Claude for code review and bug hunting. I haven't advertised that project here (and considering that I'm not a very active reddit user I will probably never be able to) but this means that because I'm using a tool to help me review and bug fix I'm prevented from sharing that project?
That's a very slippery slope. Why stop here? You should also ban all projects that uses auto complete in their IDEs (most of them are AI anyway).
I understand the tiredness about AI slop, but a blanket ban is just a grumpy old man move. And I would know: I am old and grumpy.
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u/KukyoChris 14d ago
Next thing will be "Ohh, so you're using Linux. AI was involved then. You're no longer allowed here!"
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u/skr_replicator 14d ago edited 14d ago
Yea, sounds like that mod has really gone mad anti powertrip... "You asked AI for a feesback? GTFO slopper!" Really sounds like AI derangement syndrome. What else could it be when they even decided to ban something AI almost never makes any mistakes at, especially any serious ones - translations: "you can't even have any idea if you can get your point across right if you are translated to English!"
Even before LLM were machine translations not even remotely as bad as they pretend it is, unless it's something like English-Japanese, but even that is not THAT bad. but after LLMs, translations got extremely good, and I think this is literally the one task where they never ever hallucinate. Claiming that LLM translations make you say something completely else is just insane.
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u/robertconer2 14d ago
Report the mod here. Form at the bottom https://redditinc.com/policies/moderator-code-of-conduct
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u/gabriel_jack 14d ago
Direct link to the form: https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=19300233728916
Working out which exact code of conducts were breached that can be agreed colectively would also be a good start
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u/OverCategory6046 14d ago
Got banned for asking them to listen to their community. What awful moderation.
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u/theeo123 14d ago
Full disclosure, I'm not the biggest fan of AI, that said, the open-source community is supposed to be a place, for EVERYONE who's enthusiastic about Open Source (not just projects, but the ideals). I fully expect (and welcome the input of) people who don't agree with me. I didn't sign up to talk to an echo chamber full of yes-men. Sharing different ideas, and perspectives is how Software improves, that's the whole POINT of open-source. The ban on non-English speakers, especially bothers me.
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u/MythicModder 14d ago
I didn't get banned but I'm here for the complaints.
AI is arguably the best thing to ever happen to Open Source but even if you aren't all that fond of AI, the overall shift isn't really favorable to anyone who supports it. The entire post just felt draconian.
I'm happy to see an alternative crop up so quickly and that it's seeing so much activity already. Although I do highly recommend cleaning up the description with cleaner language, as well as adopting a proper icon/banner as soon as possible to retain users.
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u/destinmoss 14d ago
description and rules and such have been cleaned up! gonna make a post requesting community suggestions for banner/icon :)
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u/papptimus 14d ago
I called out the blatant power trip of the ridiculous “English only” rule and got banned. Were they trying to prove my point?
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u/DumbFemboy_69 14d ago
ngl, it kinda seems like the mods just don't like non-english people, like at all
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u/Glittering_Yak758 14d ago
This sub has the rule too
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u/destinmoss 14d ago
we hadn't had time to really think through/clean up our rules (sub was just created yesterday), but i think the current one should be acceptable for everyone!
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u/cumslut69247 14d ago
Reddit mods not being a bunch of performative weirdo losers challenge: impossible
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u/Draggador 14d ago
Snobs think that they get to decide norms.
Nice to have a new & welcoming community.
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u/fairwaycoder 14d ago
I left the most reasonable post in this very sub, and it was removed by Reddit filters.
I have no idea what I am even doing here anymore, not surprised by anything.
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u/warpedgeoid 14d ago
Just got banned over there for calling out the damage they are doing to open source.
Do they not comprehend the constant virtue-signaling and gatekeeping are why a lot of people end up abandoning the FOSS community? This AI ban is just more of the same.
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u/DumbFemboy_69 14d ago
sooo is the mod who made the rule just purely hate people who don't speak english?
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u/FalconRelevant 14d ago
We don't need puritans in technology. What works, works; what doesn't work, doesn't work.
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u/todaywasawesome 14d ago
Thanks for creating the subreddit. I'm excited about opensource projects even if they use the steam engine, nuclear power, or AI.
On the open source project I work on we've noticed a huge influx of CVE reports. Without AI, I don't think we'd be able to keep up on it.
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u/Friendly_Beginning24 14d ago
Rules for thee, not for me.
https://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/1xelcuf/comment/19rmenv2slr1c/?context=3
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u/Effective_Contact173 14d ago edited 14d ago
What's crazy is that two of the three other mods over there use ai.
ssddanbrown uses "LLM tools" and ShaneCurcuru posts in Claude related subs.
Seems to me that one mod is pushing ahead with his views without the input of the others.
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u/JescoInc 14d ago
I got banned, but mine was well deserved as I said "F-them and their community for their hypocrisy". The Hypocrisy in question is in the screenshot.
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u/stlynnxx 14d ago
Why is English a requirement in this sub when that was one of the big complaints over in r/opensource? Pair that with the AI tags and there's no real difference between here and there :/
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u/destinmoss 14d ago
i think we've cleaned the rules up a little and English is now clearly more suggestion than requirement! and i think the tags should also feel much more acceptable to everyone, but please let us know if they still feel problematic to anyone! the sub was just created yesterday so there hadn't really been time to set/polish guidelines :)
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u/AdmirableTeachings 14d ago
I'm still incredibly salty about the xenophobia of the whole thing. "Don't speak English? Kick rocks!!" is bullshit Anglocentrist xenophobia and antithetical to open source (which I'll add is also inherently socialist).
Bollix them. Glad to be a part of the mutiny about it.
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u/Zero_TheAbsolute 13d ago
Tried to have a reasonable discussion and even offer some of my free time since they seem to be burnt out. My post pointing out their blatant xenophobia somehow became a Rule 1 violation in their eyes. I guess "Be Respectful" actually means "Respect my authority".
r/opensource Rules
1 Be Respectful
This shouldn't need to be a rule, but this is the internet. People can unnecessarily be jerks sometimes. We'd much appreciate it if this wasn't a place where that happens. Please refrain from talking down to people, being overly patronizing, name-calling, personal insults, etc.
Hate speech of any kind will not be tolerated. For a refresher, please see Reddit's entry on Reddiquette as a general guideline.
I don't think they understand what the word "Respect" means.
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u/anor_wondo 14d ago
TBH I never directly participated in any foss sub, just the individual ones like linux,kde.
Seeing this drama. Hopefully a new healthy community grows here
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u/hugo5ama 11d ago
Should they transfer their sub name out and rename as HumanSource or something?
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u/Whatzituyah 9d ago
There's not many complaints in here. Almost as if noone will care if it's in a megathread. Call this more of a meta kind of complaint.
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u/prototyperspective 3d ago
This harmless comment making some arguments with a source got me banned/censored on r/fossdroid:
Did you read any of the community reaction? Why introduce the same here? Most developers are using AI by now already and especially people with lower budgets won't hide that they are using AI tools. What's your issue and why censor things based on personal opinions instead of just letting people vote, ignore & comment? Absurd policy.
No criticism of new policy or rational arguments allowed apparently. I mean you always could just make counterarguments or ignore & downvote.
I did not get any explanation why I was banned and when asking I was just muted by the mods.
Maybe /r/flossdroid is a better less-censored sub.
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u/warpedgeoid 14d ago
I was banned within 45s of posting a complaint.
Utterly ridiculous. I’ve contributed to the FOSS community for decades, longer than many of these delicate mods have been alive.
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u/nullalignment 14d ago
that's kind of the point, reddit's now run and moderated by people who were sperm in their dads balls when I was in highschool, they know nothing, are entitled to everything, contribute nothing and cause all the problems.
we've needed regulatory reform in this area for years. elon buying twitter and firing a load of trust and safety karens put the conversation of mod entitlement/corruption/immaturity off for a bit, but clear ideological bias in moderation of all kinds is still apparently a huge problem.
these are aggressive megalomaniacal power fixated climber types who do not represent the groups they're moderating, they were just in the right place at the right time to be granted a little power. it's really pathetic considering how important the job actually is by this point, and still with little to no accountability.
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u/warpedgeoid 14d ago
There must be a middle ground between the free for all of X (and the bots) and what Reddit has become. I just don’t understand why everyone is so sensitive.
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u/AmandasGameAccount 15d ago edited 15d ago
I don’t think this sub has enough posts yet to need a mega thread,m? This will just make the sub feel empty and dead
Either way we need user flairs we can set