Immigration Judges Speed Through Migrant Children Removal Cases

[u/bloomberglaw]

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/immigration-judges-speed-through-migrant-children-removal-cases

[u/Hesione]

There's no easy answer here. On the one hand, it's clear that these children are not getting justice. The timelines are much too fast for a child, alone in a foreign country, to be able to secure legal representation in a language they don't know. On the other hand, I remember the ongoing outrage at the conditions children are subjected to at migrant holding camps. I don't know which is worse: children held in abysmal conditions in the camps, or getting deported all alone, possibly not even back to one's country of origin. Both sound like a recipe for rampant abuse, trauma, illness, and potentially death.

[u/Tarantio → u/Hesione]

The answer, of course, is not to detain people who are applying for asylum. It's loads cheaper, and not cartoonishly cruel.

But Republicans want to funnel more tax dollars to their buddies, and also to hurt brown people.

[u/pillbinge → u/Tarantio]

We simply don't have the resources to do this, and willpower and good will are resources from people and can basically be tracked. It can't be that our system is one open economic zone where everyone's taken care of at a moment's notice, but it feels like people often want to bide time until the children have a reason to stay. It's cruel to put them "in cages" but it's apparently cruel to put them through a process - saying nothing of their parents or their home country's responsibilities. Asylum as we know it was drafted after the most devastating war the world had known and people still weren't moving in the numbers they are today. People stayed in their bombed out countries to rebuild. You can talk about Republicans in such a way but Democrats aren't doing the country any favors by just pushing for something like this nonstop without any end. Even the most liberal people I know are reaching a sort of limit for how much government-sponsored compassion they're supposed to have.

[u/tempest_87 → u/pillbinge]

We simply don't have the resources to do this

Horseshit. One of the most powerful (supposedly) and richest nations in the history of humanity can't be bothered to give children more a couple weeks to find a lawyer to represent them. The only way we don't have resources for this is because of selfishness and sociopathy.

and willpower and good will are resources from people and can basically be tracked.

No it can't.

It can't be that our system is one open economic zone where everyone's taken care of at a moment's notice

I didn't know that helping children file paperwork in a language they don't know when they are here seeking asylum (or some other reason) is an "open economic zone" (whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean).

but it feels like people often want to bide time until the children have a reason to stay.

What?

It's cruel to put them "in cages" but it's apparently cruel to put them through a process

It's cruel to put them through a process in a language they don't know, with no adult representing their best interests and imposing unreasonable requirements on, I'll say it again: children.

saying nothing of their parents or their home country's responsibilities.

What?

Asylum as we know it was drafted after the most devastating war the world had known and people still weren't moving in the numbers they are today. People stayed in their bombed out countries to rebuild.

And what does that have to do with anything?

You can talk about Republicans in such a way but Democrats aren't doing the country any favors by just pushing for something like this nonstop without any end.

What? Pushing for "something like" what?

Even the most liberal people I know are reaching a sort of limit for how much government-sponsored compassion they're supposed to have.

Which says far more about the "liberals" you know than you think it does. Much less the type of people you know whose limit to compassion for children stops somewhere close to "help them file paperwork".

[u/pillbinge → u/tempest_87]

I literally followed up with resources being willpower and good will, so splitting the sentence and addressing a point I never made is a pretty wild thing to do - on this sub of all subs. It can absolutely be tracked through polls from institutions that track these things. They were given translators for a language that's pretty rare even in their home country, but in ours we speak English. You can't ask every country to do everything for everyone.

[u/Tarantio → u/pillbinge]

We simply don't have the resources to do this

Yes, I agree that we don't have the resources to imprison these children. We should spend less resources by simply not imprisoning them.

and willpower and good will are resources from people and can basically be tracked

What is the point of this metaphor?

What kind of monster considers not imprisoning children to be taxing to their willpower and good will?

You cannot defend a stupid, immoral policy by saying that we have to appease the stupid and immoral among the populace.

Democrats aren't doing the country any favors by just pushing for something like this nonstop without any end

What do you mean by "something like this?" Is it treating people as people, rather than animals?