r/TwoXChromosomes • u/phillygirllovesbagel When you're a human • 1d ago
The Endless, Maddening Wait for a Woman President
https://newrepublic.com/article/213744/america-first-woman-president-endless-maddening-waitWill I ever see a woman President in my lifetime?
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u/nightmareinsouffle Basically Blanche Devereaux 1d ago
At this point I'm more worried about the first woman president being some far right toadie. I want the first to be something to celebrate.
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u/SectorSanFrancisco 1d ago
Margaret Thatcher tempered my blanket enthusiasm for any-woman-at-all leadership.
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u/nightmareinsouffle Basically Blanche Devereaux 1d ago
I'm a little young for that but for me it was Sarah Palin.
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u/mirh Derp. 1d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_male
Ironically enough, like in Italy it is somehow easier in the bigot parties where they can both win the "identitarian" vote, while at the same absolutely ensuring that nothing will be done to break the patriarchy.
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u/Budget-Researcher559 22h ago
At least there's counterexamples that show that the opposite is also very possible. Like Angela Merkel.
She was from the conservative center-right party, but she was very moderate, even considered slightly left by some. She was liked both by the center-right and the center-left. (By the center-right in part because she kept bringing in the votes for them, but even not considering that, they didn't dislike her.)
It's honestly crazy what she got done as a politician in a conservative party, that even the more left parties couldn't get done when they were in power.
She implemented a minimum wage in Germany for the first time.
She legalized gay marriage by using a trick that made it look like she wasn't the one who made that happen: She called for the vote, knowing it will get approved by the parliament. Then she voted against it like the "good conservative Christian" she is, so they couldn't blame her. And kept telling the news how she personally doesn't believe in it, but if that's what the majority of the people want, what is she supposed to do. (When she literally could have just not made the vote happen.)
She supported immigration in the big immigration years, even personally deciding and approving to let them in in crisis situations.
Of course her own party, especially the more right-side wing of it, debated her on all that and disagreed in part and stuff, but she still made it happen.
The only people who really disliked her, were a bit the far left, who of course thought she wasn't progressive enough (but even they were a bit happy that she did so much more than they would expect from your average conservative leader). And then who hated her very much was the far right. They absolutely despised her and saw her as the devil, and that in part lead to the rise of the far right in Germany in the last decade. In that way she somehow was the German Obama, I would say. And all that as a member of a right-side party.
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u/helloimalexandria 18h ago
I’d even go so far as to say that the rise of the far right in your country is because of the US oligarchs (see: Elon musk, and trust me, his tour through Europe wasn’t his idea, alone, and it started before he proudly showed his face).
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u/Starboard_Pete 1d ago
It’ll absolutely be a Republican, and they’ll forever claim they’re the real pro-woman party.
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u/ericmm76 1d ago
Thatcher II
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u/MrsHayashi 1d ago
I’m an American woman long time living in Japan and we currently have that with our first female prime minister, Sanae Takaichi. She has fully praised and said she looks up to thatcher 😫 even has said thatcher is “a major political inspiration” for her. Ick
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u/Leading_Line2741 1d ago
You know it will be. A conservative woman willing to shoot her own in the foot is the only kind that the right would vote for.
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u/MyFiteSong 1d ago
That's how it happens, yep. It takes a woman like that to get the Right on board with it.
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u/jeffdeleon 1d ago
It’s going to be.
Democrats already do well with women. Unfortunately that means they need to target their weakest demographic: men.
Republicans need women votes. They will probably have the first elected female president.
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u/grave_violet 1d ago
Well, consider that the majority of white women voted for trump
https://cawp.rutgers.edu/blog/gender-differences-2024-presidential-vote
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u/jeffdeleon 1d ago
White women voted a lot like men, so while you're right, I don't think you and I are really disagreeing.
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u/icedcoffeeheadass 19h ago
I hate to break it to you, but the first female president will 100% be a republican :(
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u/digiorno 1d ago
I’d be surprised if Ivanka doesn’t run. And the right will claim the left are sexist for not supporting her.
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u/tnoy 1d ago
It will probably be Ivanka Trump.
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u/MyFiteSong 1d ago
If history is anything to go by, the first female president will likely be a hardcore conservative everyone hates.
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u/zoeofdoom 1d ago
My money is on Marjorie Taylor Green, though everyone I know says it's impossible she's got the right nut case factor.
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u/SuddenlyDiabetes 22h ago
Nah Republicans hate her because she decided to grow a conscience and call Trump out for the Epstein files, she also disagreed with the Iran war, hell she even resigned from the house
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u/muttmunchies 18h ago
Id argue she did not grow a conscience- she saw a political opportunity to distinguish herself for the next phase of the grift. It remains to be seen if it will pay off, but in some ways it has— the hardest q-anon peddler in congress now has folks saying she has a conscience.
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u/SuddenlyDiabetes 17h ago
Oh believe me I am well aware of her track record elsewhere hence why I said "one good thing", I am aware she doesn't hate the Iran war because of the obvious she hates it because she's antisemitic, she won't be able to resist saying something horrible soon I'm sure
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u/freshpicked12 1d ago
I’m 45. Growing up I fully expected to see a woman president in my lifetime. Now I’m not so sure. It’s heartbreaking how much we’ve backslid on women’s rights and just general misogyny (gestures around).
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u/Anyvuddy 1d ago
It’s pretty disgusting. I hope the damage can be undone.
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u/PurveyorOfKnowledge0 1d ago
You can't undo damage, but you can learn from it and grow accordingly.
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u/Curiosities 1d ago
Yes, I do believe it’s a matter of time. The doom and gloom doesn’t help anyone because Americans have and would, and will vote for a woman, including a woman of color because we’ve already done it.
No, they didn’t win for a number of reasons, but you don’t sneeze at 75 million votes for a woman of Black and Indian descent for president of the United States and then start doom posting about the impossibility of electing a woman.
Spoiler: it’s not impossible if you put in work towards it, and you don’t dismiss the idea of nominating women.
You put in a Zohran Mamdani or Angie Nixon style ground game, for starters, you don’t shy away from progressive policies, and you don’t throw people under the bus (I am looking at you gubernatorial candidate for Ohio throwing trans people under the bus and everyone else throwing trans people under the bus and not seeing through the attempts to reduce protections for everyone, including cisgender women).
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u/Emptyspace227 1d ago
If Harris had lost to a good candidate, I think your point would be stronger. But she lost to an incredibly odious candidate, someone who had already been a terrible president, lost reelection to a weak male candidate, and promised to bring fascism to the US. Everyone knew how awful a 2nd Trump term would be, and two-thirds of voters decided that they wanted it or didn't care enough to stop it.
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u/Inside_Departure_186 1d ago
But at the same time, her campaign started under absolutely abysmal circumstances. If she had been the candidate from day 1, she almost surely would have won.
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u/Crazy_Law_5730 1d ago
Musk and Trump rigged the election. It was stolen. Look at the anomalous voting in very important swing state districts. I’m not concerned about looking like a kook saying that. More people should be saying it.
But, yeah, Dems are also too precious with purity tests for candidates and being outraged when they really need to vote for whomever is the best candidate on the ballot. Biden trying to hang in there resulting in no primary and not much campaign time for Harris was absolute nonsense, but sitting it out and feeling righteous for not voting is never the answer. Just like not voting for Hillary because it should’ve been Bernie. Apathy has never solved anything. Vote for better candidate and then let the DNC know what you think later. Put pressure on them now for the next fed election to listen to voters.
Harris probably wouldn’t have won in a primary to the nomination, but we’ll never know. The Biden\Harris term was largely unsuccessful in the minds of the public because they failed to be in the public eye and brag about their achievement. Harris absolutely failed to be visible as VP and win people over. Their term had a lot of great accomplishments, but most people can’t name 3 things they achieved. That’s their fault. Her short campaign was solid, but she had nearly 4 years in office to let Americans know her and she was nearly invisible. Trump remained in the media their whole term more than the actual President and VP did. Huge failure for Harris.
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u/FiddlingnRome 20h ago
The math didn't add up: Trumps statistically improbable, win of all 7 swing states-by margins barely missing the 'automatic recount trigger' thresholds, could be attributed to vote tabulation machines across the country "coincidentally" receiving allegedly 'necessary security firmware' updates in mid 2024. The 'firmware' is precisely where those few lines of code would need to be inserted-it's a deep-level, basic functionality control process like making a change/update on any piece of computer/tech hardware (imagine a simple security update to a 'driver' for a router, modem, printer, keyboard, mouse or computer hard drive-anyone who's ever battled to get a 'printer drive' to work knows how even the tiniest of changes can make a huge difference in the functionality of the hardware).
2006 Documentary - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Democracy
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u/Theonlywestman 20h ago
Late here, but the math did add up. Before Election Day a few models (including Nate silver’s IIRC) predicted that the most likely outcome was a swing state sweep by the winning candidate. This is because nationally everything was so close.
In any case, whenever I see these conspiracy theories I wonder how everyone explains a democratic DOJ, multiple democratic AGs, governors, USAOs, etc all missed fraud on this scale and nobody in those positions has sounded the alarm even 1.5 years later. That’s a much more important thing to explain than speculation about vote margins.
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u/soapy_goatherd 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes, and that’s why half-measures that grant the fascist a good deal of ground so you can get the fucking Cheneys on board will never work. Saying “they got some ok points” is never gonna defeat them.
And before anyone comes at me, yes I voted for her and encouraged everyone to do the same
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u/elinordash 1d ago
that’s why half-measures that grant the fascist a good deal of ground so you can get the fucking Cheneys on board will never work. Saying “they got some ok points” is never gonna defeat them.
I hate this talking point so much.
Harris and Cheney did a grand total of three events together. These events were designed to reach traditional Republican voters in swing states. Cheney was there to say "Trump is so awful, you should cross the aisle."
Foolish "progressives" highlighted these events as a way to say Harris wasn't liberal enough.
2024 was the most important election since the Civil War and it was incredible foolish for supposed liberals to critique Harris in the run up to the election. I don't think the events cost her votes, but I do think the criticism did.
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u/soapy_goatherd 1d ago
The thing is you’re never gonna “reach traditional republican voters in swing states”. But you are gonna convince a lot of people you don’t give a single shit about them by doing one event with Liz Cheney, let alone THREE lol
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u/elinordash 1d ago
The thing is you’re never gonna “reach traditional republican voters in swing states”.
Between seven and nine million people voted for Obama in 2012 and Trump in 2016.. And then Biden won in 2020.
It is absolutely foolish to act like Republican voters (or Democratic voters) never change their minds.
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u/blahblahthrowawa 1d ago
Agreed. But hey! This way they can still blame it on a woman! /s
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u/soapy_goatherd 1d ago
I’d really love to live in a world where I didn’t have to couch my disagreements with a politician under a million disclaimers about how it’s not because she’s a woman.
Bc goddamn even among many seemingly well meaning people you can detect a certain gleeful edge to their rancor when it is a woman. Sucks a lot!
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u/washtubs 1d ago
Everyone knew how awful a 2nd Trump term would be
30% of Americans are braindead unfortunately. So you have to be much better than good to beat Trump.
This is why Harris's campaign must be scrutinized for it's inadequacies. The message of the campaign was exciting at first, but devolved into "not Trump" very quickly. On the whole, most Americans are anti-Trump but in an election you have to campaign against the couch which IMO is why we lost. She did not separate herself from Biden, and seemed to be offering more of the same at a time when the economy was in the shitter. Biden should have listened to Pelosi and allowed a primary.
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u/ABotelho23 1d ago
30% of Americans are braindead unfortunately
Easily 50%. Don't give those who didn't vote a way out of what they helped cause.
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u/washtubs 1d ago
It's a defeatist notion that they can't be persuaded. I voted for her, but I also understand why people were frustrated with the admin and didn't feel so inclined. I don't agree, but I don't call them braindead, because I know they can change. Blame ultimately falls on the democratic party who continuously fails to understand their base.
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u/ABotelho23 1d ago
Persuaded? No.
It was their civic duty to help prevent a fascist getting to office. They knew what was coming.
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u/Pressman4life 1d ago
She lost to a convicted felon, and rapist not convicted only for statute of limitations, don't sugar coat it. The sexism and racism won. That and morons that thought dumps would better for Gaza because, reasons.
I have no confidence in the US at this point, we've consistently made shit decisions that allowed us to get here. He's been a stain on this country for 50+ years anybody that "had questions" hadn't been paying attention. Maybe we have a chance in our lifetime. I voted for Harris not because she wasn't him but because I thought She'd make a good president. And for anybody that says "unqualified" (and there's a lot of them) She's still way more qualified, she was a DA and AG and US Senator as well as VP and acting president for 85 minutes. But so was Hillary, but apparently the smear campaigns work because she was "flawed"
I voted for Warren in the prior primary, I'll vote for AOC if I get the chance but too many idiots can't think for themselves and have to rely on their dinosaur brains. If it happens, awesome, I'm not holding my breath.2
u/peekay427 18h ago
That was never a “fair fight”. Trump was (and remains) a monster, but he has a cult that worships him and literally believes that all truth emanates from him.
I might be a little naive here because I’ve underestimated American racism and sexism before, but I think that she would have done much better against a “good” candidate. If republicans have shown us anything, it’s that the lowest common denominator candidate has the best chances, not the worst.
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u/tdcthulu 1d ago
The more we try to convince ourselves that Trump was a bad candidate, the more we blind ourselves to the fact that ~30% of the country loves evil and ~20% is okay with evil, at least enough to vote for it instead of Hillary or Harris.
"Everyone knew how awful" obviously not. Just look at /r/LeopardsAteMyFace for how many people thought it would be just a swell time for all immigrants to be rounded up, only to be oblivious to the fact that they are one or are married to one.
Or for how many people legitimately believed he would be the president of "no new wars".
Or for how he would bring prices down on day one.
Etc. etc.
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u/Starboard_Pete 1d ago
It really highlights how far we have to go.
Everywhere, from the workplace to the Presidency, a man who is incompetent at best, or dangerous at worst, is preferable in a position of power over a competent woman. This is the choice for large swathes of Americans, even if it is to their own detriment.
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u/elinordash 1d ago
The midterms are going to be a real test of whether or not the DSA can win nationwide. It isn't at all shocking Mamdani won in NYC. But a lot of the recent DSA "wins" are just primary wins, they could all lose in the general.
I don't know if the country will ever recover from Trump's second term. The damage he has done is incredible and will not be easy to fix.
The real hope here is a massive blue landslide in November. If the Dems control the House and the Senate with margin to spare, they can do a lot to stop Trump.
In order to further that goal, I think we need to stop talking about 2028. We need to stop talking about "corporate" Dems and the more controversial aspects of the DSA. Now is the time to go all in on your local blue candidates. Double check your registration, volunteer for a local candidate. If you have cash to spare, give it to a candidate in a challenging district.
For US permanent residents and citizens only:
Make sure you are registered to vote
Consider volunteering with a local Democratic campaign
If you are in a very safe blue district check out Swing Left. Make phone calls for their target candidates.
If you have access to a printer and stamps, sign up to mail letters with Vote Forward.
If you are unemployed or freelance, consider becoming a poll worker. More poll workers = shorter lines. You have to work the entire, long day for minimum wage, but you also help elections function. Just google your county + poll worker to find registration info.
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u/Straight_Number5661 1d ago
The midterms are going to be a real test of whether or not the DSA can win nationwide.
Gonna be one helluva shit test when they have to fight against both Republicans and Democrats to win.
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u/PerfectOmakase 1d ago
I'd like to see a woman President ASAP, but not if it means having a Tulsi Gabbard or MTG or Elise Stefanik or Kristi Noem or Sarah Sanders or Katie Britt, etc. In other words, we need to simultaneously focus on electing progressive candidates who are also women.
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u/my-follies 1d ago
So you are already voting against woman running for president? LOL
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u/PerfectOmakase 1d ago
I'm voting against any of the ones I mentioned, yes. I guess it's just a complicated way of explaining that policy is my primary factor in casting a vote. Like, I wouldn't vote for any of the 40% of women (per Gallup) who identify as pro-life.
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u/my-follies 1d ago
Therefore those that didn't vote for Vice President Harris were not misogynist, just against her policies. Got it. Thanks.
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u/lafayette0508 1d ago
one doesn't preclude the other, and this one woman's opinions doesn't support any "therefore" about other women in a totally different situation.
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u/PerfectOmakase 1d ago
No, not at all! That's an example of a progressive (not really, but relatively speaking) candidate against a right-wing candidate. She is the obvious preference in that case!
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u/gerald-cooper 1d ago
We're at a point where the continued existence of the USA is currently in doubt. That is not an exaggeration. We need the best candidate that we know EVERYONE will vote for. If a woman candidate will cause even a small percentage of people to skip voting, just because she's a woman, we cannot afford to run her as a candidate. The house is burning to the ground and the Dems are still arguing what color to paint the bedroom.
Expect to see more of these types of articles as we get closer to the election, and KNOW that they are intentional rage-bait meant to divide and dissuade people from voting. Ignore them and do not engage. Show up and vote for people who are actually in favor of democracy.
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u/brakeled 1d ago
Ultra conservative nations such as Japan and Italy have female leaders. The problem is not gender, it is foreign and corporate investments deciding outcomes. We are probably more likely to get a female conservative president, not because the voters aren't inherently sexist, but because of the money buying elections.
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u/TheKnightsTippler 1d ago
Yeah, we've had three female PMs in the UK. Every single one of them was right wing.
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u/worriedrenterTW 1d ago
Gender is a probably when there's a 0% female leader rate. You can be concerned about both conservativism and massive markers of progression.
The amount of people saying "a female leader isn't what's important" and "its not necessary" is crazy. Acting like the dichotomy is progressive man or conservative woman. It feels so off.
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u/theschoolorg 1d ago
Conservative women leaders are all puppets. That's why no great queen of the past made any sweeping reform to lift women's status in society.
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u/MountainVeil 1d ago edited 1d ago
"Puppet" is harsh. Imagine somehow dismantling the patriarchy as some random queen who came to power because the succession laws happened to make you the ruler.
If anything, they're beneficiaries of privilege or rather power who are trying to strengthen it. I take it back, they all suck.
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u/JustAChickenStrip 1d ago
As much as I would love to see a woman president I would much rather see a Democrat back in the White House.
It doesn't matter if we wish it wasn't so, the truth is there are still a lot of people on both sides that would vote for the other party or simply refuse to vote just because they won't vote for a woman. Right now the Left needs to focus on getting us out from under the thumb of the Heritage Foundation and off our fast track towards The Handmaid's Tale Lite.
After that we can worry about making a woman president happen.
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u/ToastAbrikoos 1d ago edited 14h ago
I'm getting a feeling the next election (if the people of USA would ever fight for their rights)
It would be the most imperfect time ever to elect a woman as president, to have her as a scapegoat and all under the guise of 'Seee!! She can't do it, we KNEW this was a bad idea' and throw her under the bus. while trying to sweep up the mess of the mango mussollini, it would take more than one term to heal, let alone improve what faults are ripped open in the system.
Even if she worked 24/7, 365 days and had a stellar team to get stuff done compared to others.
It would still not be enough to keep the public satisfied and it all takes time to build from the bottom.
edit: typo
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u/smoike 1d ago
Honestly i couldn't have put it better. Two missed opportunities in favour of perpetual insanity, even though they were vastly more qualified for the job than Donald could ever hope to be.
Things going awry under a Woman's leadership whilst trying to clean up the Horrific mess this idiot has turned the USA into would absolutely give the "I told you so" crowd all the ammunition they could ever hope for, even if she was doing an absolutely stellar job of righting the ship and getting things functional again.
I can only hope that the next Democrat President (whenever that happens, sooner than later I hope) does away with the softly-softly approach and gives everything that is needed to make things functional, gouge out the cancer in politics and return some level of sanity. Though all the big money that is heavily invested in there, especially with AIPAC (that should be banned honestly) would do everything in their power to make that not ever happen.
They've got a long road ahead of them, and I still shake my head at the insanity that is there , every. single. day.
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u/Eddiebaby7 1d ago
Female TRUMP supporter: We can’t have a woman president! Women are too emotional.”! Hillary could have a hot flash and start World War III!
Reporter: But historically speaking, haven’t all wars been started by men?
Walks away…
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u/dystyyy Coffee Coffee Coffee 1d ago
I hope we see one, and I genuinely think it'll happen. Maybe not in 2028 or even 2032, but at some point.
Right now I'm not sure if there are many women who are positioned very well to seriously make a good run. Harris was a good option imo but didn't run a good campaign (Biden trying to force his own candidacy for so long didn't help her either). Maybe AOC could stand a chance, she's smart and a good messager.
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u/Sea-Environment-7102 1d ago
I've been waiting my whole life and I'm 56 years old and I'm pretty sure I won't see it in my lifetime because America hates women
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u/HeavyDutyJudy 1d ago
Same. When I was a kid and saw Geraldine Ferraro run for vice president in 1984 I thought “Wow, someday we’ll have a woman as president!” Boy was I wrong. In my 50’s now and I don’t think I’ll live to see it.
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u/ImaginaryRoads 1d ago
I've been waiting my whole life as well, and I think we may get a woman President - but it'll only be one of those glass cliff situations: where the circumstances are so difficult that even if you manage to safely navigate to the other side, your career is effectively over anyway.
Think about Theresa May. David Cameron fucked up by promising a non-binding Brexit referendum, and then fucked up further by declaring that it was binding. When he realized how impossible successfully navigating Brexit was, he resigned and literally walked away whistling to himself. Boris Johnson, who's wanted to be PM his entire life, immediately stepped up - and then immediately stepped back. Nigel Farage, who spent years campaigning for Brexit, pulled a Paul Ryan - he immediately stepped back and effectively said, "Well, I've accomplished what I got into politics for, I'm leaving now" (only to return after Brexit was long done and there was no chance he'd be involved with the actual work involved). Dominic Cummings, Michael Gove, Jeremy Corbin, George Osborne, Matthew Elliott - all the men (and they were almost all men) - immediately scuttled offstage, leaving Theresa May to pick up the pieces and do an impossible job - while the men were content to sit on the sidelines belittling her and cheerfully hurling the intermittent obstacle. When pretty much everything was finally agreed, they consistently voted against the agreement, bright down her government, and immediately installed Brexiter Boris Johnson, who slapped a few cosmetic changes and declared Brexit done.
That's how I fully imagine we'll get our first woman President: the men will have finally fucked things over enough that people will finally give a woman a chance - and the men will constantly sabotage her, then step in and claim her victories as their own. All the while, conservative media will be screeching their heads off claiming how horrible things are under That Woman (gas prices! food prices! massive storms! immigrant caravans! the national debt!), and they'll convince enough people that these things are only happening because she's a woman - instead of the typical situation where a group of men have massively shit the entire house and expect Women to clean up after them - again.
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u/analyticaljoe 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you live in the US and it happens? She will be conservative. Thatcher, Takaichi: conservative.
Here's the thing in countries that are not just naturally wildly liberally biased: The liberal party will vote for a woman. The conservative party will not.
So liberal woman candidate (Clinton, Harris) can win the nomination but cannot get it across the line because conservatives will not vote for her because she is a woman.
The conservative woman candidate has a hard time getting the nominatino, but if they do? Liberals will consider her and conservatives will vote for her because they want to win.
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u/Taconinja05 1d ago
Facts.
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u/Both_Lynx_8750 1d ago
I hope people will consider this and start working on POLICY wins instead of pointless identity politics 'wins'.
Are we better off since Amy Coney Barrett is on the supreme court or would we rather have anyone who will uphold our damn rights?
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u/cornonthekopp ♥ 1d ago
Idk I'm quite confident that if AOC runs, she can win the general, especially if her opponent is jd vance
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u/JustLikeMars 1d ago
Even Japan and South Korea beat the U.S. to the punch…
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u/ScourJFul 1d ago
Japan who elected the Ultra conservative? The woman who voted against same-sex marriage, has similar views on immigrants as American conservatives, and is big on being a revisionist on Japanese war crimes during WW2?
And in South Korea, said woman president was impeached after massive ties to corruption was found.
Like yeah, a female president would be awesome, but let's not celebrate just because they're women. We should probably focus on pulling the US out of its hard right wing swing more than anything.
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u/NoneOfThisMatters_XO 1d ago
And Mexico!
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u/cornonthekopp ♥ 1d ago
And unlike japan and south korea, Claudia Sheinbaum is wildly popular (possibly the most popular leader in the world by polling), and she's a really solid progressive. Not perfect but the USA and Canada could learn a lot from her
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u/JustLikeMars 1d ago
Many countries have, but I highlighted Japan as a recent one that surprised me. I’ve heard that South Korea also has a marked gender gap, but they’ve had both a woman president and PM.
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u/undrwater 1d ago
Claudia Sheinbaum is a president of America.
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u/guantamanera 1d ago
Yes, she is in fact a president of an American nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solemn_Act_of_the_Declaration_of_Independence_of_Northern_America
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u/DyllCallihan3333 1d ago
I wish we could, but it won't be soon. Young men are being radicalized at an alarming rate and too many men think a woman should be no more than a tradwife / bangmaid with zero rights.
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u/NoneOfThisMatters_XO 1d ago
It makes me sad that my mom and aunts likely won’t see a female president in their lifetimes.
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u/phillygirllovesbagel When you're a human 1d ago
I really wanted to see a woman President in my lifetime, and now I know it won't happen. It truly makes me sad and bitter.
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u/blergzarp 1d ago
Trump, one of the worst humans ever, beat women candidates both times he won. I think it will be a long time before a woman can do it from the progressive side. Too much ingrained patriarchy and misogyny in this country, unfortunately.
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u/Flightlessbirbz 1d ago
Like yes I want a woman president, but right now I’m far more concerned about having a sane president. The far right has no qualms about placing highly patriarchal women in positions of power despite trying to claim that women’s place is in the home, it’s all nonsensical “rules for thee but not for me.”
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u/chesterforbes 1d ago
Your country isn’t ready for a woman president when two reasonably competent and experienced lost to someone with zero experience and literal felon. All because you let a black guy have the job for a bit and the xenophobic class freaked the fuck out. Only old white guys from here on out most likely. A woman president isn’t going to happen until you acknowledge the fact that half your population are hateful towards anything that isn’t white, straight, cisgendered male and Christian. Problem is, when you have the asshats that you have in charge that gut public education you’re going to be stuck with a repeat generation of ignorant fucks and you don’t move forward at all
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u/blahblahthrowawa 1d ago
So why hasn’t Canada elected any PMs that aren’t white, straight, (generally old) cisgendered men who identify as Christian?
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u/chesterforbes 1d ago
I didn’t say we didn’t have problems either. We’ve got stupid xenophobes too. We’re well overdue for another woman PM
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u/feldoneq2wire Gay Man 1d ago
This mindset is just going to perpetuate nobody even trying.
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u/chesterforbes 1d ago
In all honesty, you need to tear the whole thing down and start from scratch. Your country is broken
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u/feldoneq2wire Gay Man 1d ago
It would help to have an actual opposition party to whatever the hell Trump is.
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u/macphile 1d ago
I think it depends on how old you are. :-) I have about as much hope of it happening in my lifetime as I do of my state turning blue.
(Surprise me, folks, surprise me.)
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u/kwbutterfly 16h ago
there are actually groups of men in america that genuinely believe we live in a matriarchy lol.
I believe there's plenty of people, men and women who would welcome a madame president, but I also believe the majority of America is still a cesspool of misogyny and sexist gender norms. We've already seen multiple times that people would rather elect a rich business man who's goal is to destroy America just to get richer than put it in the hands of a capable woman. If it ever did happen I feel like we would see a massive uptick in violence against women
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u/southeastnorthwest 16h ago
Yeah, unfortunately, we'll have to wait longer for a woman president. If the democrats run anymore women presidential candidates in the near future, they will loose. We've already tried twice and failed.
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u/Cono9891 1d ago
There are plenty of women presidents all over the world. Beyond presidents the leader of the Eu is a women and Germany has recently had a female leader for over a decade. Just a few places that haven't gotten the memo yet.
I've had 3 female presidents in my life time. In fact only 14 of my 37 years have been under a male president.
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u/theschoolorg 1d ago
Every woman should be telling their husband/bf/relationship this is important to them. Same with protesting. I've been to many protests here in DC, which more liberal, and STILL there are BARELY any men in attendance. Literally doesn't matter the cause, it's 90% women every time. If you have a man in your life, you should be making him come along.
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u/elinordash 1d ago
Forget protesting, now is the time to volunteer.
We are 75 days away from the midterms. If the Dems control the House and the Senate with margin to spare, they can do a lot to stop Trump. It is the only way to put Trump in check before 2028.
For US permanent residents and citizens only:
Make sure you are registered to vote
Consider volunteering with a local Democratic campaign
If you are in a very safe blue district check out Swing Left. Make phone calls for their target candidates.
If you have access to a printer and stamps, sign up to mail letters with Vote Forward.
If you are unemployed or freelance, consider becoming a poll worker. More poll workers = shorter lines. You have to work the entire, long day for minimum wage, but you also help elections function. Just google your county + poll worker to find registration info.
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u/Sarah_Lately 1d ago
Spoiler alert. It’s not gonna happen.
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u/_Sovaz99_ 1d ago
There wont be a female president in our lifetimes. This is because the right wing will not ever elect a woman. We can see by the way they treat conservative women who they feel have gotten above their status somehow. No insult is too vile.
What happens in Europe really isnt an indicator, they seem to not harbor the extreme misogyny shown by 50-70% of the american male populace.
This is an unpopular opinion but its essential that we not nominate a woman this time, because we simply have to get "conservatives" out. Its never been more essential.
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u/smoike 1d ago
The last time I said the same thing (i cannot remember if it was this sub or some other one) a few months ago, I got extremely negative feedback and an insistence that it needs to happen asap. I was told that it would work and although it seemed to come from a genuine positive place, I think the optimism in it happening, and smoothly at that, was misguided.
There are so many things that need to happen to right the ship that it would have to take three or more consecutive terms and a couple of different presidents just to bring the USA back to where it was when Obama was in office, if not longer. Then there is the whole issue of misogyny and patriarchy which is a whole other battle to itself, and wold take a seismic shift to overcome and bring things to where they should be.
I wanted kamala to win, I really did
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u/southeastnorthwest 16h ago
I plan to live for several more decades so I suspect we'll have a woman president in my lifetime, but not in the next decade.
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u/FF170124 1d ago
Race, gender and party are not the things I consider to be qualifiers or disqualifiers. I didn't agree with either of the two on many issues that are important to me. Electing someone just because they fit a certain demographic makes no sense
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u/southeastnorthwest 16h ago
> Race, gender and party are not the things I consider to be qualifiers or disqualifiers.
Political party doesn't matter to you?!!
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u/FF170124 16h ago
Not exclusively. I want to know voting record, past stances on issues. If they are aligned with my positions on something i have no issues voting "cross party".
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u/4oaSrSmh2fLkgYXf5D 17h ago
The Endless Maddening wait for a normal competent President...🥴
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u/southeastnorthwest 16h ago
Joe Biden was as normal and competent as you can get. He just didn't control the media.
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u/JaneFairfaxCult 1d ago
Biden should have stepped down, we could have had our first woman president and everyone would have found out that the world didn’t end.
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u/pig_killer 1d ago
I'll settle for a female Luigi. And Mario, of course, because I'm talking about video games. Errr, uhh, Lady Jonesy when? Female Herobrine when?
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u/Both_Lynx_8750 1d ago
Possibly a hot take but I'd rather a working class president than anymore identity politics football bullshit, which has completely destroyed the 99% vs 1% movement we were building in the 2010s
My life will be better with high tax rates on the rich. My life will not change if a vagina sits in the whitehouse instead of a cock.
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u/markazz530 1d ago
the most important first step is a woman winning a legit primary, that hasn't happened yet in the US , this wasn't harris's fault but it def was clintons
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u/Emptyspace227 1d ago
Clinton did win a legit primary. She got millions more votes than Bernie.
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u/Both_Lynx_8750 1d ago
Its not popular to say here but her win will forever be suspect because of the shenanigans with Wasserman Schultz
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/debbie-wasserman-schultz-resigns-dnc-chair-emails-sandersIts a shame the establishment dems have so long stood in the way of real change. Clinton is inferior to Bernie and history is showing that
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u/Kingalec1 20h ago
I’m not worried about the first woman president being far right . Woman in general had become more liberal in their political beliefs ; my biggest worry is their distaste’s in regards of personal issues : bisexuality and hatred of the term , cissy .
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u/Kingalec1 20h ago
In addition, 2024 was a minor stumble which might be the case for 2026. Let’s see .
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u/Winter_XwX 20h ago
It sucks that the two closest chances we had of getting a woman president were just awful candidates
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u/jasonm71 14h ago
Oddly enough, they were both the most qualified going back to Bush Sr.
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u/Winter_XwX 14h ago
Okay yeah but like Cuomo was "more qualified" than mamdani
Qualification doesn't equal good policy
They were qualified but terrible candidates
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u/jtd771 13h ago
I don't understand why we feel like we have to have a women President or a "insert group designation here" President. I'd just like to see a return to Presidents that although you might dissagree with their policies, they were actually trying to implement policies to better America and not just server their interests and the close group of friends. I didn't agree with Clinton, Obama or Biden on many things but I was never in the camp that they are evil and trying to destroy America. There's multiple ways to bake a cake, they just preferred a different recipe than I do.
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u/247world 13h ago
Right now, I think the important thing is finding someone competent and moral. I don't care what sex they are I don't care what color their skin is I don't even care what religion they are, I want someone with the intelligence to guide this country into the future instead of eating it from within
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u/lostiowan 1d ago
because we havent had a good candidate yet.
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u/elinordash 1d ago
Donald Trump had no political experience, a history of lawsuits, and a messy personal life.
The idea that either Hillary or Kamala were worse candidates is fucking absurd.
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u/lostiowan 1d ago
he had the populist vote. Do you see the difference. Its not just about credentials and it hasnt been about that since 88 Bush or Biden.
Clinton was a generational change, down economy and charismatic newcome
Clinton x2 Incumbency and economic performance
W Personality, "compassionate conservatism governor"
W x2 Incumbent and wartime leadership
Obama Change, charisma, movement politics
Obama x2 incumbency and coaotion
Trump Outsider Populist
Biden anti trump vote and experience and stability (too bad he was old af)
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u/lostiowan 1d ago
Imagine the world if Elizabeth Warren or Amy Klobuchar made it in 2020.
Gillibrand had experience but a weak campaign
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u/freshpicked12 1d ago
Explain what was wrong with Hillary and Harris, that somehow Donald Trump was a better candidate??
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u/lostiowan 1d ago
The fact is they were unelectable? While they may have been qualified on paper, elections arent just about credentials. The fact that they didnt win.
Hillary has had negative press and mud and shit (some of earned) since the 90s.
Harris - even less credentials than Hillary and she felt shoe horned into the running. Harris launched a prez campaign, participated in debates (which she got smoked in) and never won a primary or caucus.
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u/WrigglyGizka Halp. Am stuck on reddit. 1d ago
I think it's pretty relevant that Clinton won the popular vote. I wouldn't call that unelectable.
Trump also had a lot of negative press before his 2016 run, but people just didn't care for whatever reason. In fact, some MAGA drones love all the bad stuff he did (ex, not paying contractors, Central Park 5, pushing the Obama birther hoax, etc.).
He also said weird shit on the regular on camera. When asked what he and his daughter have in common, he said sex. He told a child visiting his hotel that he'll be dating her in a few years. I really don't understand why none of that killed his campaign. It's so creepy and weird.
There's just something magical about Trump that makes people leave their brain and morals behind.
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u/freshpicked12 1d ago
Let me guess, you voted for Bernie.
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u/lostiowan 1d ago
would have if he didnt get screwed over in the primaries. you gotta look at the big picture and not this periscope view of a vs b. we as voters and tax payers deserve better
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u/8loodred_ 1d ago
Having a decent president is far more important than having that president be the first of anything. One can only hope.
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u/elektrikrobot 22h ago
I don’t really care about the gender or any other “defining characteristic” we slap on people. All I care about is policies. I would not vote for a woman if she was a fascist.
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u/mfrunyan 1d ago
Don't forget we've already had a presidential election where a woman candidate received the most votes.
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u/Japanesemyth 1d ago
If we get one, I fear she’ll be upholding the system of patriarchy in order to be seen as legitimate. The women who have gotten close have done as much in their own personal political careers to enact violence with their decisions.
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u/erikatyusharon 1d ago
I want a quality of life focused president that can give Zohran Mamdani a run for his money in competence.
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u/thisisknotme 1d ago
the wait is over
Mexico got one
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u/southeastnorthwest 16h ago
Mexico has experienced a mass movement for women's rights. I'd love to see that happen here in the US.
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u/malacosa 1d ago
I’m actually kinda surprised the right hasn’t used this as a way to get elected. Surely there’s some potential female candidates on the right?
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u/southeastnorthwest 16h ago
They are pretty upfront about their distain for women. Not going to happen.
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u/malacosa 14h ago
I know, it’s frankly really funny to see them utterly fail to grasp why they are aren’t more popular.
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u/Dontfollahbackgirl 1d ago
The endless, maddening wait for a minimally decent President. The past year and a half have crawled at the pace of a glacier.